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Tobias-Reiper 03-12-2006 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by wheelman
TR; He was asking a hypothetical question about Mannjng having the same injury, not comparing their talent.

..since you put it nicely:

..allow me then to ask you a hypotetical question first:

If it were Ryan Leaf instead of Drew Brees, do you think there would be a discussion?

To a man everyone in this forum would say "hell no!!!"
Right?
Why?
On what would you base your argument against Leaf?

You would base it on what Leaf brings to the table as compared to what Brees brings to the table, right?

See what I am saying?

wheelman 03-12-2006 04:37 PM

Re: RE: Re: RE: One more thing on Brees
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper
Quote:

Originally Posted by wheelman
TR; He was asking a hypothetical question about Mannjng having the same injury, not comparing their talent.

..since you put it nicely:

..allow me then to ask you a hypotetical question first:

If it were Ryan Leaf instead of Drew Brees, do you think there would be a discussion?

To a man everyone in this forum would say "hell no!!!"
Right?
Why?
On what would you base your argument against Leaf?

You would base it on what each player brings to the table, right?
Isn't that a comparison of both players?

See what I am saying?

No I would not consider Leaf, but there in lyes the flaw of your argument. We are not talking about bad quarterbacks. Both Brees and Manning are good, not on an even level, but both are good nonetheless.

mighty12 03-12-2006 04:38 PM

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No, seeing that Ryan Leaf doesn't play in the NFL anymore. You are not comparing them however you are asking if I would be upset if we were trying to get someone who BOMBED in the NFL instead of someone who is a PRO BOWL player! Do you not get it? Yes I would base it on what each brings to the table and not hide behind this injury BS. To compare them you would have to say "Would you take Brees over Leaf." to which I would say "Are you crazy COMPARE the two talents. Brees is way better" I am asking you not to choose between the two but to explain why this injury would be different if it were another QB. The fact is the injury wouldn't be different but our feelings toward the player would be. Why is it that we want to throw Brees away because he was injured. If your answer is "I don't like Brees at all. I think he sucks." Well then that is a more viable answer. Honestly are you not understanding my posts?

wheelman 03-12-2006 04:43 PM

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mighty; He might pay more attention to your posts if you stop talking down to everyone. Calm down.

mighty12 03-12-2006 04:47 PM

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I'm sorry if my other posts seem like I am talking down, but I am trying to for this guy because I feel I have to.

Tobias-Reiper 03-12-2006 04:58 PM

Re: RE: Re: RE: One more thing on Brees
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by wheelman
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper
Quote:

Originally Posted by wheelman
TR; He was asking a hypothetical question about Mannjng having the same injury, not comparing their talent.

..since you put it nicely:

..allow me then to ask you a hypotetical question first:

If it were Ryan Leaf instead of Drew Brees, do you think there would be a discussion?

To a man everyone in this forum would say "hell no!!!"
Right?
Why?
On what would you base your argument against Leaf?

You would base it on what each player brings to the table, right?
Isn't that a comparison of both players?

See what I am saying?

No I would not consider Leaf, but there in lyes the flaw of your argument. We are not talking about bad quarterbacks. Both Brees and Manning are good, not on an even level, but both are good nonetheless.

No, wheelman.. we are talking about what each QB brings to the table...

If you had to make a decision between Leaf and Brees given the same circumstances, you would probably base your decision of taking Brees over Leaf on knowing that Leaf is a bust and Brees is a good QB - i.e., compare them as players: one's good, one's bad - and you would more readily risk your money on Brees and take the chance that Brees shoulder is going to hold up...

By the same token, if you had to make a decision between Brees and Manning given the same circumstances, you would probably base your decision on which player brings more to the table, and that player would be Manning, because compared to Brees, Manning is by far the superior QB, therefore you would more readily risk your money on Manning and take the chance that Manning's shoulder is going to hold up.

The point is, given the same circumstances, how would you make a decision whether you would take Manning and not Brees? You would have to compare what both players bring to the table... simple as that... and obviously, Manning brings oh so much to the table as a QB as comapred to Brees that I would definitely take the chance on Manning's shoulder haeling right before I take the chance on Brees' shoulder healing right.

wheelman 03-12-2006 05:20 PM

Re: RE: Re: RE: One more thing on Brees
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper
Quote:

Originally Posted by wheelman
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper
Quote:

Originally Posted by wheelman
TR; He was asking a hypothetical question about Mannjng having the same injury, not comparing their talent.

..since you put it nicely:

..allow me then to ask you a hypotetical question first:

If it were Ryan Leaf instead of Drew Brees, do you think there would be a discussion?

To a man everyone in this forum would say "hell no!!!"
Right?
Why?
On what would you base your argument against Leaf?

You would base it on what each player brings to the table, right?
Isn't that a comparison of both players?

See what I am saying?

No I would not consider Leaf, but there in lyes the flaw of your argument. We are not talking about bad quarterbacks. Both Brees and Manning are good, not on an even level, but both are good nonetheless.

No, wheelman.. we are talking about what each QB brings to the table...

If you had to make a decision between Leaf and Brees given the same circumstances, you would probably base your decision of taking Brees over Leaf on knowing that Leaf is a bust and Brees is a good QB - i.e., compare them as players: one's good, one's bad - and you would more readily risk your money on Brees and take the chance that Brees shoulder is going to hold up...

By the same token, if you had to make a decision between Brees and Manning given the same circumstances, you would probably base your decision on which player brings more to the table, and that player would be Manning, because compared to Brees, Manning is by far the superior QB, therefore you would more readily risk your money on Manning and take the chance that Manning's shoulder is going to hold up.

The point is, given the same circumstances, how would you make a decision whether you would take Manning and not Brees? You would have to compare what both players bring to the table... simple as that... and obviously, Manning brings oh so much to the table as a QB as comapred to Brees that I would definitely take the chance on Manning's shoulder haeling right before I take the chance on Brees' shoulder healing right.

Well TR that is true according to the question you asked me. According to mighty's question, however, Brees and Manning are not both free agents. What he is suggesting is a role reversal. What if Manning were the FA coming off major surgery on his throwing arm, and Brees was still in SD?

mighty12 03-12-2006 05:23 PM

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TR - I wasn't going to reply because I feel like I am beating a dead horse here, but just to clarify I am not asking if you would take Manning over Brees, yes that would be comparing them, but to ask if Brees weren't in the equation and Manning were would this talk of injuries come into play does not compare them. What it does, however, is prove that this is not a discussion of a QBs injury(For some it is.) That is the point I tried to prove to everyone and you my friend are playing into my game.

D_it_up 03-12-2006 05:26 PM

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And the beat goes......

LivnaLieTimay 03-12-2006 06:08 PM

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Article on Brees. Looks like we won't know his decision until tomorrow at the earliest. Hopefully a decision is made by tomorrow evening at the latest because I feel like we are getting worked by Brees and his agent and good free agents are signing with other teams while we're focused on getting Drew...


"San Diego quarterback Drew Brees flew to South Florida on Sunday afternoon to meet with Dolphins officials, agent Tom Condon said.

"He's going to dinner with club officials tonight and I'm sure I'll talk to Randy (Mueller) tomorrow," said Condon, referring to the Dolphins' general manager."

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/s...a-sports-front


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