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Alot of you are stating that it is only fair to be questionable about Brees due to his injury. Let me see if I have this right..........If Peyton Manning were coming off of the same surgery, and healing quicker than first thought, and he was at the end of his contract and wanted to test free agency would this discussion even be going on? I know that some would say yes, and we would never know the truth unless it happened, but I think that people would me screaming their heads off for the Saints to sign him. He is a local boy, and is very intelligent. He knows the game VERY well, and is a superb leader. I am not going to even try to compare Brees and Manning because you can't, but I will say that Brees has some of the same qualities as Manning. He is smart, he is a good leader and knows the game of football. So, I just think that you guys are using his injury as a crutch to the fact that you want someone who has more of a media staple.

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First of all, like you said, Peyton Manning is a lot better than Drew Brees. But even if they were the same, talent-wise, you'd be mentally challenged not be a little wary of signing ANY QB coming off a major surgery to his throwing shoulder. Take Daunte Culpepper for example. Here's a guy who had a major knee injury. He's asking for big money. There are now only a couple of teams that are interested in him (Dolphins, Cards). Before the injury, half the teams in this league would have been bidding for this guy, but injuries in the NFL are scary and can ruin a franchise for years.

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Are you trying to imply something?

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There is one problem with bringing Culpepper into the equation, not only does he have an injury going against him but he is not recovering as quickly as anticipated which shows it may be more serious than expected, also he has had a few recent off the field problems. Also unlike Brees his stats have been falling alittle while Brees' has be getting better. I just really don't get it. I know you have good intentions about this Deuce, but no one has given me anything that will change my mind. You are however entitled to your opinion, and no one can take that from you. God Bless America for that.

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Implying what? If you ignore a major injury to a player you're trying to sign, there's something wrong with you

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..first off, you don't need to start a new thread every time you have a tought on a subject that's already being discussed, just so everyone can see your comment... reminds me of... nah.. it can't be... but I digress...

...second, you ARE comparing Brees to Manning... you are asking if it were Peyton instead of Drew in the same situation.... you put it best:
Manning is a local boy - Brees isn't
Manning very intelligent - Brees is no dummy, but not the thinking QB Peyton is
Manning knows the game VERY well - Brees again, no dummy, but not the student of the game Peyton is...
Manning is a superb leader - Brees, not Brooks, but not George Patton either
... add to that:
Manning is going to the HoF - Brees not sure if he's going to the Pro Bowl again - which, BTW, PB means diddley poo -...

...so, I would say that, considering all of the above, while there will be some discussion as to whether Manning's shoulder would hold, what Manning brings to the table would weight heavily into the general consensus and I think peolpe would be quicker to accept the risk of having an injured future HoF'er than having an injured 2 good-years-so-far QB..

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do you guys think we will here toinight or tomorrow about drew?

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No one is ignoring it Deuce. It's just that we are not as sceptical about his recovery. And sorry if I read too deeply into that post.

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TR - well let me see your reply has many flaws and I have ACTUALLY read it........I stated VERY clearly that I was NOT comparing Brees to Manning. Did I not make that clear enough when I stated "I am not even going to compare Brees and Manning because you can't" Was that not clear enough. Second of all I made a new thread on Bress NOT to get to the front of the forum, because any reply to a post will put it at the top of the forum, I did it because it IS a new topic on Brees. It is a topic on how others would feel if it were someone with more media hype. And then you made my point. You would have a different opinion. So it if isn't his injury that scares you what is it? Is it the fact that he is actually a great QB coming to the Saints. Are you that stupid, hey you attacked me personally so it only felt right to ask. You are the epitome of what I am warning against. Just because Manning is a local boy, He is smarter, He is possibly a better leader, so if he were to get injured the same way he would come back better than Brees would. Does that not sound hypocritical?

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I hope we hear something.... hopfully tonight....

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me too all saints.

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Yeah I just hope he gets back on to the plane without Saban tackling him on the tarmac like the Rams did to Witherspoon...Anyword on anyone else comin to NO today?

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*Billy alert* *Billy alert*

...yeah, you posted:
yet you preceded that with:
...now, you tell me how the latter is NOT a comparison? Go ahead.. try...

.. I'll leave you with that... no use on responding to the rest because you are just started to trip on yourself...

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Will you marry me?

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jrm i am hoping the same. well that we at least here one way or the other and we can get someone signed that will improve us

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TR you posted before I could....You cant say I am not comparing them, and then compare them

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First of all don't even try to think that you know me, because when it is all said and done you know nothing. Now to make you look like a complete idiot.............How is asking if they were coming off of the same injury would effect how people Peyton as a viable pickup comparing their talent?????Really tell me, because it isn't comparing them it is forcing people to think about why we are hesitent to get a GREAT QB because he is recovering from an injury ahead of schedule. You, however, in your other post, made my point perfectly clear. It matters not because of the injury, like most people are saying, but because he isn't Matt Leinart. Thank you for making my point. I wish arguing with TheDeuce were this simple.

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TR; He was asking a hypothetical question about Mannjng having the same injury, not comparing their talent.

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mighty you are starting to sound very very familiar. you can never compare apples and oranges. i would like us to get brees but if we don't we can still draft matt. but you can never compare brees to manning at this point.

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I thought I said I wasn't comparing them like 100 milion times maybe I was wrong. It is a hypothetical question to make you see that you are trying to hide behind his injury because most people on here would rather someone with more media hype. DOES NO ONE SEE THIS???? Apples and oranges are both fruits. I like them both.

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..since you put it nicely:

..allow me then to ask you a hypotetical question first:

If it were Ryan Leaf instead of Drew Brees, do you think there would be a discussion?

To a man everyone in this forum would say "hell no!!!"
Right?
Why?
On what would you base your argument against Leaf?

You would base it on what Leaf brings to the table as compared to what Brees brings to the table, right?

See what I am saying?

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No I would not consider Leaf, but there in lyes the flaw of your argument. We are not talking about bad quarterbacks. Both Brees and Manning are good, not on an even level, but both are good nonetheless.

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No, seeing that Ryan Leaf doesn't play in the NFL anymore. You are not comparing them however you are asking if I would be upset if we were trying to get someone who BOMBED in the NFL instead of someone who is a PRO BOWL player! Do you not get it? Yes I would base it on what each brings to the table and not hide behind this injury BS. To compare them you would have to say "Would you take Brees over Leaf." to which I would say "Are you crazy COMPARE the two talents. Brees is way better" I am asking you not to choose between the two but to explain why this injury would be different if it were another QB. The fact is the injury wouldn't be different but our feelings toward the player would be. Why is it that we want to throw Brees away because he was injured. If your answer is "I don't like Brees at all. I think he sucks." Well then that is a more viable answer. Honestly are you not understanding my posts?

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mighty; He might pay more attention to your posts if you stop talking down to everyone. Calm down.

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I'm sorry if my other posts seem like I am talking down, but I am trying to for this guy because I feel I have to.

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No, wheelman.. we are talking about what each QB brings to the table...

If you had to make a decision between Leaf and Brees given the same circumstances, you would probably base your decision of taking Brees over Leaf on knowing that Leaf is a bust and Brees is a good QB - i.e., compare them as players: one's good, one's bad - and you would more readily risk your money on Brees and take the chance that Brees shoulder is going to hold up...

By the same token, if you had to make a decision between Brees and Manning given the same circumstances, you would probably base your decision on which player brings more to the table, and that player would be Manning, because compared to Brees, Manning is by far the superior QB, therefore you would more readily risk your money on Manning and take the chance that Manning's shoulder is going to hold up.

The point is, given the same circumstances, how would you make a decision whether you would take Manning and not Brees? You would have to compare what both players bring to the table... simple as that... and obviously, Manning brings oh so much to the table as a QB as comapred to Brees that I would definitely take the chance on Manning's shoulder haeling right before I take the chance on Brees' shoulder healing right.

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Well TR that is true according to the question you asked me. According to mighty's question, however, Brees and Manning are not both free agents. What he is suggesting is a role reversal. What if Manning were the FA coming off major surgery on his throwing arm, and Brees was still in SD?

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TR - I wasn't going to reply because I feel like I am beating a dead horse here, but just to clarify I am not asking if you would take Manning over Brees, yes that would be comparing them, but to ask if Brees weren't in the equation and Manning were would this talk of injuries come into play does not compare them. What it does, however, is prove that this is not a discussion of a QBs injury(For some it is.) That is the point I tried to prove to everyone and you my friend are playing into my game.

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And the beat goes......

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Article on Brees. Looks like we won't know his decision until tomorrow at the earliest. Hopefully a decision is made by tomorrow evening at the latest because I feel like we are getting worked by Brees and his agent and good free agents are signing with other teams while we're focused on getting Drew...


"San Diego quarterback Drew Brees flew to South Florida on Sunday afternoon to meet with Dolphins officials, agent Tom Condon said.

"He's going to dinner with club officials tonight and I'm sure I'll talk to Randy (Mueller) tomorrow," said Condon, referring to the Dolphins' general manager."

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/s...a-sports-front

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... after this one, I am going to stop, because I don't think my English - being that is only my 3rd language - is good enough...

If Peyton were a free agent coming off shoulder surgery, I would be willing to take the risk and throw that kind of cash at him and his bum shoulder AND pass on Leinart because Peyton's a future HoF'er, and the biggest payoff on the gamble that he'll eventually be 100% is having a future HoF'er in his prime at QB.

Drew Brees is a decent QB who's coming off shoulder surgery... I wouldn't take the risk of throwing that kind of cash at him AND passing on Leinart because the biggest payoff on the gamble that he' will eventually be 100% is merely a good QB.

..any time you ask "what if it were this instead of that?" you are comparing this and that.. if there wasn't a difference between this and that, you wouldn't be asking the question to begin with...

..hypothetical means suppositional... the fact that Manning is not a free agent and Brees is a free agent has nothing to do with how you respond to the question because, again, the question is hypothetical....

..and don't worry about Billy... he gets excited sometimes...

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... affect...
... hesitant...
... grammar is your friend...
... Drew Brees is not a great QB...
... "what if A instead of B" IS a comparison...

..what took you so long?

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I have to go along with that "...Brees is not a great QB". He has a great D and a great RB far supior to ours. Fans here aren't all that in love with him and most want him to go/move on.

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He's just asking for too much money. He's gonna get more than we can afford if we are seriously considering getting any other good FAs.

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even if his legs fell off, tore both rotator cuffs, and dislocated his hips, he would still be a step up from where we are now. pick up brees and then draft for defense.

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Nicely put Saintbuck. I have always felt that if we need a QB we get one through FA. Draft for defense and o-line.

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Hey mighty...don't fret. Certain posters in this forum have always had a difficult time looking at things hypothetically. I understand your point. They always call it a comparison and then they claim their English skills are like second to none and that we are idiots.

you weren't attacked, so don't use that as a crutch, either.

take the tone out of your posts, or i'll do it for you.

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... you are funny... "they".. good one...

... speaking of skills, "hypothetical" does not mean "I'm right because I threw in a big word in my post"... hypothetical means "what if", "suppose that" ....

...and I will ask you too, when someone asks you "what if B instead of A", what's the basis for your response? ...

..speaking of comparisons, here's an analogy for you :broccoli:

I will label each instance to allow everyone to join in the fun:

Actual Situation Analogy
Saints need a QB You need a woman
There are 3 available now There are 3 available now
Brees, McCown, Kitna Julia Roberts, Kathy Bates, Bea Arthur
You can get Leinart in a month You can get Jill Arrington in a month
If you get Bress now, no Leinart later if you get Julia now, no Jill later
Brees can't throw now, and not sure Julia is on the rebound, and wants just friends
when he is going to return for now, you don't know when she'll be in the
mood

...while you try making a decision, ...while you try making a decision,
someone asks you: what if instead of someone asks you: what if instead of
Brees, you had a chance at Mannning? Julia, you had a chance at a 3-some with
Milla Jovovich and Jessica Alba?

WTF was that? lol