jets move to number 4

BlackandBlue · 04-25-2003, 02:14 PM

Hadn\'t thought about the flexibility issue, it might accompany a trip to the hospital for me :P
I get what you are saying, WhoDat, it\'s just my belief that I would rather have one impact player on defense than two decent players and a guy that is going to take a couple of years ridding the bench.
The more I read about Henderson, the more he sounds like a Ruff cloan. I\'ve been listening to alot of various draft experts from all over talk on the radio how that the Cowboys would be stupid to trade down past two spots, even if they were to get two draft picks in return, because of the drop off in talent. They also pointed out that when you see safeties of this caliber being taken in the middle of the first, you know you have a weak draft. There are exceptions to this rule (Roy Williams), but they have to be exceptional players, which Williams was.

BlackandBlue · 04-25-2003, 02:18 PM

Rodjmaw, any player could potentially be a bust. Some less likely than others. But there is no such thing as a sure thing (Hello Akili Smith and Ryan Leaf)!

BlackandBlue · 04-25-2003, 02:33 PM

If the Cowboys stay put, it\'s real easy. If Newman is there, they will take him. If Newman is gone, but Robertson is there, they will take him. If they are both gone, that means that Johnson is still there, and they will take him (This is Galloway\'s final year of his contract and they will let him go next year). If they trade, things could get interesting- but I\'m betting they do not.

WhoDat · 04-25-2003, 03:39 PM

I understand your points also gentlemen... I\'m just wondering why you feel that way. Last year, we took Stallworth, Grant, Bentley, Allen, Craver... etc. and these were obviously not all first round picks. All COULD be starters this year and basically all but Craver are projected to be right now. I am the guy who has been yelling and screaming about impact players... I just think you get those through free agency and build through the draft.

To take a line from the late great Jim Finks - the draft is basically nothing more than a crap shoot. The odds of a high first rounder going bust (a la Leaf) is about the same as a sixth round pick becoming a Pro Bowler (a la Knight). My point is that these guys can get hurt, they can flop, they can decide they don\'t want to play football anymore or refuse to play for the Saints... etc. etc. etc. One player on defense isn\'t going to catapult this team to greatness. A lot of good players being groomed and taught to fit our particular system could help build a winner though. That\'s my only point. Strength in numbers. The odds of two first rounders both going bust is lesser than that of one first rounder going bust. Play the odds.

saint5221 · 04-25-2003, 04:08 PM

Amen WhoDat

rusta · 04-25-2003, 06:25 PM

unless we can get into the top five to get our absolute top choice i say we don\'t trade up, we don\'t need impact players that badly
we need the guys we have to show up to EVERY game
we almost made the playoffs last year and if we had we would have done some damage
we had winning records against every playoff team but clev and atl
we have the pieces already, we need some depth, i don\'t thnk there is a player in the draft THAT WE HAVE A CHANCE OF GETTING that will make a big differance next year

rusta · 04-25-2003, 07:06 PM

not sad
it\'s a good thing
we just need to get our heart right and stay focused
it\'s only sad if we fall apart again

rusta · 04-25-2003, 07:19 PM

gator go back and read
i said there were no players THAT WE COULD GET that would make an immediate impact
we have no shot at newman unless he falls out of the top 5
don\'t tell me you think he will fall that far?????
trufant is solid but worth 2 first rounders?
he probably wouldn\'t even start

WhoDat · 04-26-2003, 10:08 AM

Gator your logic is so F-cked up it amazes me...

You are adamantly opposed to paying established young impact players that we could pick up through free agency but you\'re all for giving away picks to move into the top ten where we\'ll have to give some draftee that may or may not ever pan out a huge contract. How does that make sense?

And I\'ll make you a bet too... contingent on the fact that the Saints do NOT trade up, I\'ll bet any player that they pick up in the first round will start on this team by mid season (unless they sign Faine and then Fontenot stays). Henderson will be able to play over Ruff. Peterson will start almost from the get go, so would Joseph, Mathis... etc. etc. etc.

WhoDat · 04-26-2003, 10:41 AM

Gator your logic is so F-cked up it amazes me...

You are adamantly opposed to paying established young impact players that we could pick up through free agency but you\'re all for giving away picks to move into the top ten where we\'ll have to give some draftee that may or may not ever pan out a huge contract. How does that make sense?

And I\'ll make you a bet too... contingent on the fact that the Saints do NOT trade up, I\'ll bet any player that they pick up in the first round will start on this team by mid season (unless they sign Faine and then Fontenot stays). Henderson will be able to play over Ruff. Peterson will start almost from the get go, so would Joseph, Mathis... etc. etc. etc.

04-25-2003, 02:14 PM	#11
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	jets move to number 4 Hadn\'t thought about the flexibility issue, it might accompany a trip to the hospital for me :P I get what you are saying, WhoDat, it\'s just my belief that I would rather have one impact player on defense than two decent players and a guy that is going to take a couple of years ridding the bench. The more I read about Henderson, the more he sounds like a Ruff cloan. I\'ve been listening to alot of various draft experts from all over talk on the radio how that the Cowboys would be stupid to trade down past two spots, even if they were to get two draft picks in return, because of the drop off in talent. They also pointed out that when you see safeties of this caliber being taken in the middle of the first, you know you have a weak draft. There are exceptions to this rule (Roy Williams), but they have to be exceptional players, which Williams was.
	The waiting drove me mad.... I don't want to hear from those that know... Everything has changed, absolutely nothing's changed Eddie is a....draftnik?

04-25-2003, 02:18 PM	#12
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	jets move to number 4 Rodjmaw, any player could potentially be a bust. Some less likely than others. But there is no such thing as a sure thing (Hello Akili Smith and Ryan Leaf)!

04-25-2003, 02:33 PM	#13
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	jets move to number 4 If the Cowboys stay put, it\'s real easy. If Newman is there, they will take him. If Newman is gone, but Robertson is there, they will take him. If they are both gone, that means that Johnson is still there, and they will take him (This is Galloway\'s final year of his contract and they will let him go next year). If they trade, things could get interesting- but I\'m betting they do not.

04-25-2003, 03:39 PM	#14
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	jets move to number 4 I understand your points also gentlemen... I\'m just wondering why you feel that way. Last year, we took Stallworth, Grant, Bentley, Allen, Craver... etc. and these were obviously not all first round picks. All COULD be starters this year and basically all but Craver are projected to be right now. I am the guy who has been yelling and screaming about impact players... I just think you get those through free agency and build through the draft. To take a line from the late great Jim Finks - the draft is basically nothing more than a crap shoot. The odds of a high first rounder going bust (a la Leaf) is about the same as a sixth round pick becoming a Pro Bowler (a la Knight). My point is that these guys can get hurt, they can flop, they can decide they don\'t want to play football anymore or refuse to play for the Saints... etc. etc. etc. One player on defense isn\'t going to catapult this team to greatness. A lot of good players being groomed and taught to fit our particular system could help build a winner though. That\'s my only point. Strength in numbers. The odds of two first rounders both going bust is lesser than that of one first rounder going bust. Play the odds.
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04-25-2003, 06:25 PM	#16
rusta 100th Post Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 361	jets move to number 4 unless we can get into the top five to get our absolute top choice i say we don\'t trade up, we don\'t need impact players that badly we need the guys we have to show up to EVERY game we almost made the playoffs last year and if we had we would have done some damage we had winning records against every playoff team but clev and atl we have the pieces already, we need some depth, i don\'t thnk there is a player in the draft THAT WE HAVE A CHANCE OF GETTING that will make a big differance next year
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04-25-2003, 07:06 PM	#17
rusta 100th Post Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 361	jets move to number 4 not sad it\'s a good thing we just need to get our heart right and stay focused it\'s only sad if we fall apart again
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04-25-2003, 07:19 PM	#18
rusta 100th Post Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 361	jets move to number 4 gator go back and read i said there were no players THAT WE COULD GET that would make an immediate impact we have no shot at newman unless he falls out of the top 5 don\'t tell me you think he will fall that far????? trufant is solid but worth 2 first rounders? he probably wouldn\'t even start
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04-26-2003, 10:08 AM	#19
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	jets move to number 4 Gator your logic is so F-cked up it amazes me... You are adamantly opposed to paying established young impact players that we could pick up through free agency but you\'re all for giving away picks to move into the top ten where we\'ll have to give some draftee that may or may not ever pan out a huge contract. How does that make sense? And I\'ll make you a bet too... contingent on the fact that the Saints do NOT trade up, I\'ll bet any player that they pick up in the first round will start on this team by mid season (unless they sign Faine and then Fontenot stays). Henderson will be able to play over Ruff. Peterson will start almost from the get go, so would Joseph, Mathis... etc. etc. etc.
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	\"Excuses, excuses, excuses. ThatÃ¢Â€Â™s all anyone ever makes for the New Orleans SaintsÃ¢Â€Â™ organization.\" - Eric Narcisse \"Being a Saints fan is almost like being addicted to crack,\" he said.[i]\"You know you should stop, but you just can\'t.\"

04-26-2003, 10:41 AM	#20
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	jets move to number 4 Gator your logic is so F-cked up it amazes me... You are adamantly opposed to paying established young impact players that we could pick up through free agency but you\'re all for giving away picks to move into the top ten where we\'ll have to give some draftee that may or may not ever pan out a huge contract. How does that make sense? And I\'ll make you a bet too... contingent on the fact that the Saints do NOT trade up, I\'ll bet any player that they pick up in the first round will start on this team by mid season (unless they sign Faine and then Fontenot stays). Henderson will be able to play over Ruff. Peterson will start almost from the get go, so would Joseph, Mathis... etc. etc. etc.
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	\"Excuses, excuses, excuses. ThatÃ¢Â€Â™s all anyone ever makes for the New Orleans SaintsÃ¢Â€Â™ organization.\" - Eric Narcisse \"Being a Saints fan is almost like being addicted to crack,\" he said.[i]\"You know you should stop, but you just can\'t.\"