jets move to number 4

rusta · 04-25-2003, 01:19 PM

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfldraft/columnist?id=1544641

espn just reported that the jets have traded both of their first rounders to chicago to move up to the #4 pick in the draft, all the details aren't available yet but that changes everything

kiss our shot at newman goodbye, the jets take johnson if houston doesn't otherwise they take robertson and dallas takes newman

[Edited on 25/4/2003 by rusta]

saint5221 · 04-25-2003, 01:50 PM

Wow ,its started already, this is going to be a wild draft.
Johnson will probably already be gone by this pick so one would think this is a move for Robertson. Wonder what the Pats are going to do now, they were the ones everyone thought was going to make this deal.

BlackandBlue · 04-25-2003, 01:54 PM

Yeah, the Patriots scare me now. I pray they don\'t pull a trade with Dallas, although if we were to trade with Arizona, it really wouldn\'t matter, cause Trufant would be there regardless.

rodjmaw · 04-25-2003, 02:32 PM

I believe Rashean Mathis will be just as good as Marcus Trufant. I am hoping the saints trade down to get him ( Rashean Mathis and a late 2nd rd or 3rd rdpick )

BlackandBlue · 04-25-2003, 02:36 PM

Would be funny, and not completely out of the realm. But screw the Jets, it would not. Do you really think that a team would be dumb enough to trade up to the #4 a day before the draft, if they hadn\'t already covered every contingency? They plan on taking either Robertson or Johnson, I don\'t think they really care which, but they know they will get one of the two.
EDIT: I believe that the Saints and the Cardinals have a switch in place, if Trufant is still there at #6
EDIT #2: If no other trades occur in the top 4, the Cowboys have to be excited with this trade, as their #1 choice (Newman) will still be there at #5.

[Edited on 25/4/2003 by BlackandBlue]

[Edited on 25/4/2003 by BlackandBlue]

WhoDat · 04-25-2003, 02:42 PM

I agree Rod - I\'ve always subscribed to the theory that draftees are for the future, free agents are the ones who should make an immediate impact. That\'s not to say that a rookie can\'t make an impact, I just don\'t think it\'s wise to bet the farm for one guy who can be an impact player in his first year when you can get two who can grow into great players a few years down the line.

I still don\'t like the idea of moving up. Sitting still or moving down makes more sense to me. We got Stallworth and Grant with the 13 and 25 last year. While Stallworth seems like more of an immediate impact player, I\'d give the edge to Grant last season due to Stallworth\'s injury. Both will be stars on this team for years to come. I\'d rather have two more of those guys than one Deuce, given the number of holes we need to fill on Defense. Joseph, Peterson, Henderson, and Mathis should all still be around when we pick. Bailey may still even be on the board. If there\'s any credibility to this Smoot deal I say go after it hot and heavy.

BlackandBlue · 04-25-2003, 02:48 PM

WhoDat- this is not last years draft. These are not the same caliber that they were a year ago. Read my post from yesterday. http://www.blackandgold.net/site/mod...hread&tid=1345

Gator- If the Jets get screwed, I will bend over and kiss my own ass, and email you the picture. But math says they won\'t. :P

rodjmaw · 04-25-2003, 02:57 PM

The Jets are not stupid....If dewayne robertson is gone....the jets would be just as thrill to pick andre johnson......remember they lost lavernus cole

rodjmaw · 04-25-2003, 03:02 PM

B&B, if the expert are right, chances are those high caliber player could be bust too

WhoDat · 04-25-2003, 03:03 PM

Gator and B&B I get what you\'re saying, I just think it\'s a terrible idea to move up. A - the analysts are almost never right about the draft... but let\'s assume that they are. Let\'s say that after the first 12 picks the talent left is the equivalent of last year\'s second round, and all other rounds are shifted down accordingly. OK?

I\'d still rather have two LeCharles Bentley\'s and Keyo Craver over ONE Dante Stallworth. Hell, if we move down we may be able to get TWO Bentley\'s and TWO Cravers and a Smoot. That\'s MUCH better than one player. Especially on a defense like ours.

It\'s not like we\'re one or two players away from a Super Bowl guys. Our defense needs to get better everywhere. With our offense, our D just has to get better, not be the best in the league. Besides, \"talent\" is being used like its some undefinable theoretical idea. Think about the players.

Peterson, Henderson, Polamalu, and Mathis could all be ours if we stay put or move down the right way... that\'s with Smoot too. I\'ll take those FOUR guys (five if you count Smoot) over ONE Newman or Robertson ANY DAY.

04-25-2003, 01:19 PM	#1
rusta 100th Post Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 361	jets move to number 4 http://sports.espn.go.com/nfldraft/columnist?id=1544641 espn just reported that the jets have traded both of their first rounders to chicago to move up to the #4 pick in the draft, all the details aren't available yet but that changes everything kiss our shot at newman goodbye, the jets take johnson if houston doesn't otherwise they take robertson and dallas takes newman [Edited on 25/4/2003 by rusta]
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04-25-2003, 01:50 PM	#2
saint5221 500th Post Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 598	jets move to number 4 Wow ,its started already, this is going to be a wild draft. Johnson will probably already be gone by this pick so one would think this is a move for Robertson. Wonder what the Pats are going to do now, they were the ones everyone thought was going to make this deal.
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04-25-2003, 01:54 PM	#3
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	jets move to number 4 Yeah, the Patriots scare me now. I pray they don\'t pull a trade with Dallas, although if we were to trade with Arizona, it really wouldn\'t matter, cause Trufant would be there regardless.

04-25-2003, 02:32 PM	#4
rodjmaw 100th Post Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 138	jets move to number 4 I believe Rashean Mathis will be just as good as Marcus Trufant. I am hoping the saints trade down to get him ( Rashean Mathis and a late 2nd rd or 3rd rdpick )
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04-25-2003, 02:36 PM	#5
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	jets move to number 4 Would be funny, and not completely out of the realm. But screw the Jets, it would not. Do you really think that a team would be dumb enough to trade up to the #4 a day before the draft, if they hadn\'t already covered every contingency? They plan on taking either Robertson or Johnson, I don\'t think they really care which, but they know they will get one of the two. EDIT: I believe that the Saints and the Cardinals have a switch in place, if Trufant is still there at #6 EDIT #2: If no other trades occur in the top 4, the Cowboys have to be excited with this trade, as their #1 choice (Newman) will still be there at #5. [Edited on 25/4/2003 by BlackandBlue] [Edited on 25/4/2003 by BlackandBlue]
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04-25-2003, 02:42 PM	#6
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	jets move to number 4 I agree Rod - I\'ve always subscribed to the theory that draftees are for the future, free agents are the ones who should make an immediate impact. That\'s not to say that a rookie can\'t make an impact, I just don\'t think it\'s wise to bet the farm for one guy who can be an impact player in his first year when you can get two who can grow into great players a few years down the line. I still don\'t like the idea of moving up. Sitting still or moving down makes more sense to me. We got Stallworth and Grant with the 13 and 25 last year. While Stallworth seems like more of an immediate impact player, I\'d give the edge to Grant last season due to Stallworth\'s injury. Both will be stars on this team for years to come. I\'d rather have two more of those guys than one Deuce, given the number of holes we need to fill on Defense. Joseph, Peterson, Henderson, and Mathis should all still be around when we pick. Bailey may still even be on the board. If there\'s any credibility to this Smoot deal I say go after it hot and heavy.
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04-25-2003, 02:48 PM	#7
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	jets move to number 4 WhoDat- this is not last years draft. These are not the same caliber that they were a year ago. Read my post from yesterday. http://www.blackandgold.net/site/mod...hread&tid=1345 Gator- If the Jets get screwed, I will bend over and kiss my own ass, and email you the picture. But math says they won\'t. :P

04-25-2003, 02:57 PM	#8
rodjmaw 100th Post Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 138	jets move to number 4 The Jets are not stupid....If dewayne robertson is gone....the jets would be just as thrill to pick andre johnson......remember they lost lavernus cole
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04-25-2003, 03:02 PM	#9
rodjmaw 100th Post Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 138	jets move to number 4 B&B, if the expert are right, chances are those high caliber player could be bust too
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04-25-2003, 03:03 PM	#10
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	jets move to number 4 Gator and B&B I get what you\'re saying, I just think it\'s a terrible idea to move up. A - the analysts are almost never right about the draft... but let\'s assume that they are. Let\'s say that after the first 12 picks the talent left is the equivalent of last year\'s second round, and all other rounds are shifted down accordingly. OK? I\'d still rather have two LeCharles Bentley\'s and Keyo Craver over ONE Dante Stallworth. Hell, if we move down we may be able to get TWO Bentley\'s and TWO Cravers and a Smoot. That\'s MUCH better than one player. Especially on a defense like ours. It\'s not like we\'re one or two players away from a Super Bowl guys. Our defense needs to get better everywhere. With our offense, our D just has to get better, not be the best in the league. Besides, \"talent\" is being used like its some undefinable theoretical idea. Think about the players. Peterson, Henderson, Polamalu, and Mathis could all be ours if we stay put or move down the right way... that\'s with Smoot too. I\'ll take those FOUR guys (five if you count Smoot) over ONE Newman or Robertson ANY DAY.
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	\"Excuses, excuses, excuses. ThatÃ¢Â€Â™s all anyone ever makes for the New Orleans SaintsÃ¢Â€Â™ organization.\" - Eric Narcisse \"Being a Saints fan is almost like being addicted to crack,\" he said.[i]\"You know you should stop, but you just can\'t.\"