Aaron Brooks will kill our Saints!

JKool · 03-18-2006, 09:10 PM

I have to agree with SFIAH on this one. The fact that we couldn't trade Brooks really isn't much of a sign regarding his ability (or ability to start elsewhere). I too wish him all the best, so long as he isn't playing us (in which case I permit him to beat us with his eyes... a lot). That said, what is a sign of his ability was that inept/incompetent year he put up for us last year; every year before that, he was on the improve, then he went to shiznit.

GoldRush26 · 03-18-2006, 09:20 PM

Originally Posted by JKool

I have to agree with SFIAH on this one. The fact that we couldn't trade Brooks really isn't much of a sign regarding his ability (or ability to start elsewhere). I too wish him all the best, so long as he isn't playing us (in which case I permit him to beat us with his eyes... a lot). That said, what is a sign of his ability was that inept/incompetent year he put up for us last year; every year before that, he was on the improve, then he went to shiznit.

I'd like to respectfully disagree. Brooks had no real progress. The 2003 season seems to be somewhat of a fluke. If anything it seems as if he improved up to the '03 season, then declined afterwards.

spkb25 · 03-18-2006, 09:24 PM

um the fact that according to loomis they didn't get any calls on him being traded is in my opinion an absolute example of what the league thinks of him and then if you couple that with the fact that noone has signed him yet does matter. if he was such a commodity whyb hasn't anyone looked to him as a starter. i don't think t.o. is arguable at this time because the nfl knew he was going to be released. i would say the same about arron but i wouldn't say it was known at first. either way i don't see him being discussed in the same way as brees or even pepper. that is my opinion but that doesn't mean i think you are wrong saints or kool because truthfully you can't say that that is an absolute judgment of talent. it depends on other factors. so i guess really i agree with you guys but not in the brooks case

CheramieIII · 03-18-2006, 09:29 PM

Brooks is gone and someone needs to let it go. I don't care who he plays for if he played like he did the last few years for us I would love to play against him every Sunday. He can throw backwards ya know. What skills.

JKool · 03-18-2006, 09:30 PM

GoldRush, I suppose I'll agree to a certain extent. It is arguable that there were areas of improvement post 2003, but not leaps and bounds. However, I'm not all that interested in defending the claim; it seems we agree in principal his on field play is sufficient to display why we don't want to keep him any longer.

spk, gotcha. In general, trade offers and related measures of ability rely heavily on factors other that a players ability (as you note). As a point of note, Edge and Alexander barely got a snif in FA last year, and those are clearly quality players. Take into account Brooks salary, and it isn't hard to see why no one would make an offer. I guess, I just don't see a need to make an exception for Brooks - the no trade offers are a dubious measure of his inability, especially compared to his inability on the field last year.

spkb25 · 03-18-2006, 09:39 PM

that is a good point kool real good point

TIGERSAINT31 · 03-18-2006, 09:46 PM

Originally Posted by fatz6179

I'm bored waiting for the LSU game to start....lol. It's fun totally embarassing someone to the point of submission.

You clearly no nothing so I decided to stop arguing two things ain't gonna happen you and anybody else won't stop riding Pees until he sucks and two AB ain't gonna come back to the Saints like I said before I'll lavish in the record books when I become bore and remember wut a Saint QB looks like not a Pees....oh yeah Brooks is the best QB in the Saints history right? He's in the record books and that's all that matters moving on.

Thanks man I needed a good Laugh

LongTimeFan · 03-18-2006, 10:00 PM

Goldrush, you brought up some really good facts, stats that I enjoyed reading, but fatz still doesn't understand any of it, he's hopeless and a joker, I can't believe I went back and forth with him earlier today, makes me think I have nothing better to do on a Saturday afternoon.
He's noway a Saints fan, he's a guy who loves to push other people's button, that's all this guy is about, period.
Again, good stuff today Goldrush, hell, you tried your best.
Wasn't he banned ?

spkb25 · 03-18-2006, 10:02 PM

ltf the guy has been banned over and over and he just keeps coming back. i don't even get it

LongTimeFan · 03-18-2006, 10:05 PM

How about using his IP address to ban him for good?

03-18-2006, 09:20 PM	#62
GoldRush26 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 594	Originally Posted by JKool I have to agree with SFIAH on this one. The fact that we couldn't trade Brooks really isn't much of a sign regarding his ability (or ability to start elsewhere). I too wish him all the best, so long as he isn't playing us (in which case I permit him to beat us with his eyes... a lot). That said, what is a sign of his ability was that inept/incompetent year he put up for us last year; every year before that, he was on the improve, then he went to shiznit. I'd like to respectfully disagree. Brooks had no real progress. The 2003 season seems to be somewhat of a fluke. If anything it seems as if he improved up to the '03 season, then declined afterwards.
GoldRush26 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 594

03-18-2006, 09:24 PM	#63
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,101	um the fact that according to loomis they didn't get any calls on him being traded is in my opinion an absolute example of what the league thinks of him and then if you couple that with the fact that noone has signed him yet does matter. if he was such a commodity whyb hasn't anyone looked to him as a starter. i don't think t.o. is arguable at this time because the nfl knew he was going to be released. i would say the same about arron but i wouldn't say it was known at first. either way i don't see him being discussed in the same way as brees or even pepper. that is my opinion but that doesn't mean i think you are wrong saints or kool because truthfully you can't say that that is an absolute judgment of talent. it depends on other factors. so i guess really i agree with you guys but not in the brooks case
	Your team stinks

03-18-2006, 09:30 PM	#65
JKool 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 2,423	GoldRush, I suppose I'll agree to a certain extent. It is arguable that there were areas of improvement post 2003, but not leaps and bounds. However, I'm not all that interested in defending the claim; it seems we agree in principal his on field play is sufficient to display why we don't want to keep him any longer. spk, gotcha. In general, trade offers and related measures of ability rely heavily on factors other that a players ability (as you note). As a point of note, Edge and Alexander barely got a snif in FA last year, and those are clearly quality players. Take into account Brooks salary, and it isn't hard to see why no one would make an offer. I guess, I just don't see a need to make an exception for Brooks - the no trade offers are a dubious measure of his inability, especially compared to his inability on the field last year.
	"... I was beating them with my eyes the whole game..." - Aaron Brooks

03-18-2006, 09:46 PM	#67
TIGERSAINT31 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Smithdale M.S. Posts: 107	Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Aaron Brooks Originally Posted by fatz6179 I'm bored waiting for the LSU game to start....lol. It's fun totally embarassing someone to the point of submission. You clearly no nothing so I decided to stop arguing two things ain't gonna happen you and anybody else won't stop riding Pees until he sucks and two AB ain't gonna come back to the Saints like I said before I'll lavish in the record books when I become bore and remember wut a Saint QB looks like not a Pees....oh yeah Brooks is the best QB in the Saints history right? He's in the record books and that's all that matters moving on. Thanks man I needed a good Laugh

03-18-2006, 10:00 PM	#68
LongTimeFan Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Louisiana Posts: 2,403	RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Aaron Br Goldrush, you brought up some really good facts, stats that I enjoyed reading, but fatz still doesn't understand any of it, he's hopeless and a joker, I can't believe I went back and forth with him earlier today, makes me think I have nothing better to do on a Saturday afternoon. He's noway a Saints fan, he's a guy who loves to push other people's button, that's all this guy is about, period. Again, good stuff today Goldrush, hell, you tried your best. Wasn't he banned ?

03-18-2006, 09:10 PM	#61
JKool 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 2,423	I have to agree with SFIAH on this one. The fact that we couldn't trade Brooks really isn't much of a sign regarding his ability (or ability to start elsewhere). I too wish him all the best, so long as he isn't playing us (in which case I permit him to beat us with his eyes... a lot). That said, what is a sign of his ability was that inept/incompetent year he put up for us last year; every year before that, he was on the improve, then he went to shiznit.

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03-18-2006, 09:29 PM	#64
CheramieIII Fan Since 1967 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Nomad Posts: 7,487 Blog Entries: 3	Brooks is gone and someone needs to let it go. I don't care who he plays for if he played like he did the last few years for us I would love to play against him every Sunday. He can throw backwards ya know. What skills.

03-18-2006, 09:39 PM	#66
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,101	that is a good point kool real good point

03-18-2006, 10:02 PM	#69
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,101	RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Aaron Br ltf the guy has been banned over and over and he just keeps coming back. i don't even get it

03-18-2006, 10:05 PM	#70
LongTimeFan Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Louisiana Posts: 2,403	RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Aaron Br How about using his IP address to ban him for good?