Yo Kool, good to see ya. A whole lotta love has been sprouting around here. Ignore the new designated harasser on this thread. ~~~let's catch up sometime

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SFIAH, Kelley, and BMG,

Good to hear from you guys. I think I may be around a bit more now that there is something goin' on to talk about (and my own work load is decreased).

BMG, I'll check out the thread, but off the top I don't think we have the personel for a 3-4, especially since we let Howard go (we could have used Smith as a Rush End before).

Now that I'm thinking about it a bit, maybe it is the plan to draft Young or Leinhart still. Brees could groom them and maintain until then. Bennett had a 1,000 yard season not that long ago - he'll be a plenty good threat when Duece gets hurt again. I like it.

I'm not really sold on Brees yet, and everyone know I've been a Brooks defender in the past; however, I'm glad to see some move by the FO (and not simple back up moves), that is what I am truly glad for.

In the end, I suppose it'll be awhile before the "Brooks takes over threads" thing goes away, eh?

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Billy is that you? I knew you would make it back sooner or later.

Good to hear from ya Kool.

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When has he ever been on top?Oh yeah did'nt he lead the nfl in fumbles or was it backword passes I forget. One more thing how old are you?

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Tiger, he can't be older than 20, but who knows, he could be a kid with nothing to do.

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who ever this joker is...i have seen 3rd graders who write better than him.

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To settle the Brees thing, I'll say this. I'm a Charger fan (2nd behind the Saints, of course). Did anyone watch the game last year when they upset the Colts and handed Peyton and his crew their first loss of the regular season? Everyone anticipated the Chargers' running game to score on the Colts and, had Tomlinson been shut down, the Chargers would lose. Well, Tomlinson WAS shut down. Granted, it was the Chargers' defense that won the game, someone had to score points and move down the field. It may have been ugly, but Brees did it.

Besides, how can Antonio Gates be so dominant? Someone has to throw him the football correctly.

As far as Bennett goes, I do recall him torching the Saints in a couple of games. He also did me pretty good in Fantasy Football as well.

Billy was more eloquent than that. I bet he could even do jive talk better than that also. LOL

I see him over in one of the other forums. With Brooks being history now he might actually be a pleasant pot stirrer now. Whaddya think?

We gambled on Brees done deal. We have an out next year if it does not work. I can deal with it.
Bennett is another gamble i will take. He is very good in the spread offense. Problem can our WR stop dropping the ball and force D's out of the 8 in the box against us for a change. Lets not talk about the OL here. Brees throws a good ball to backs out of the back field. If Duce goes down we do not have a back that can run inbetween the T now. That is my big worry.

I agree hagan. If deuce goes down we hve no one between the tackles, I know the FO likes Keith Joseph but I know nothing about the guy...I really think they should hold onto Smith or Thomas

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This guy another winwin .... whata loser..... Drew Brees a bust lmaooooo you must like no everything about fb.... your not even worth it man..... lmaooooo

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Oldies, I know that when I draft a team on Madden, I usually wait several rounds until Bennett's name is on top of the RB list and then select him. He might not be big, but dang, the kid's got some serious wheels.

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I haven't seen the FO do anything to get excited about... some people just think any movement is good movement but if you make moves and still don't get any better than what the hell is the point in making moves... I am already starting to debate who we are going to draft with the second pick in next years draft. Brees has only been good with a great OL and great D and I don't know if anyone has noticed but we don't have either.

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:lightsabres:

The dark side is strong in this one...

Shame that he does have a point.

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You know what he is right. Well he just saved me 4 months out of my life. Now that I know we're going to suck again we can just focus on NEXT years draft. Thanks Euphoria.

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HAHA WHAT???????? What great OL exactly are you talking about? They don't have any studs on their OL, so exaclty who would you be referring to? Scouts, Inc. has their best lineman graded out at a 71, which is the 31st best OG in the NFL. That's not very good. http://proxy.espn.go.com/nfl/feature...ting?teamId=24

Here's another article:
Two out of their top 4 positions of need are at OG and OT? How do you explain that Euph? Let me guess, you can't. You just don't like Brees. That's cool. You don't have to like him, but you shouldn't make crap up.

Nothing to get excited about? They released Jim Haslett, Rick Venturi, and Aaron Brooks for starters. Then they signed our new franchise QB. Then they signed a Pro Bowl RB as a backup, for 1.5 mil a year. Then they got two LBs who can be solid starters, one of them (Simmons) even more special if he can stay healthy. They've also put themselves in a situation where they are in the driver's seat for the NFL Draft, a place where they really can't lose. But hey, you're right, that's not exciting.... :roll:

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name me one great qb who didnt have a good offensive line?

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Archie.

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:stupid:
"crack kills"
"say no to drugs"
"a mind is a terrible thing to waste"
etc.........

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After reading all that, why do I get the feeling that fatz is another BlackonBlack? Sigh... :annoy:

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Damn I need to start posting on the weekends more. LOL. Truth is...we can't dwell on the past anymore. Brooks is gone. I defended him just like a few others here did but truth is....he is no longer here. Its kind of ignorant to say our FO isn't doing anything. They are doing what they can. Especially in this difficult year where many free agents are afraid to play for us because of Katrina. I think our FO is doing a pretty good job considering our circumstances.

The more things change......................................... :wink:

Are you aggesting that these are just run of the mill signings Whodi and that the FO is doing the same ol' same ol'??

i wouldnt say archie played great when he played for us...

Just spittin' out names cuzz....that's all.

my point is... every great qb has had protection... if you dont have time to throw then you wont play very well....

True dat...but I think with this group of coaches that this will be adressed by game time.....They have to protect thier 60 mil dol investment.... 8)

Chaching has a point. As much as I like Hawk...the logical thing would be to draft Brick.

which we can do if the jets want to move up

Um, I was actually referring to the characters on the board. lol


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Yeah, all he did was winone of those little trophies, damn, what are they called, oh that's right, THE LEAGUE MVP on one of the worst teams in NFL history. How may Saints players after Archie have that honor?

Secondly, you don't need a great offensive line to win it all, you need a great scheme, which comes with great coaching. San Diego has nowhere near a great O-line, yet they have been a playoff team, and a very good team the last two years. Miami went 9-7 with that crap offensive line. NE's offensive lines were nothing anyone is putting into the hall of fame. Hell, Tampa Bay's offensive line when they won the Superbowl was trash. Tom Brady is a great QB who does not have a great offensive line. They had Logan freaking Mankins starting for them last year. But those guys have been together, and have great coaching. If you have a smart QB, and a great offensive line scheme, you can win in the NFL. Hopefully this year, we should have both.

The characters on this board huh? Hmmmm...... :cursing:

Whodi,

I'll agree with ya, that a great scheme and good coaching is a necessity. More so the latter in recognising players that fit the scheme vs. the force fitting the prior staff accomplicshed.

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i wouldnt say archie played great when he played for us...


Yeah, all he did was winone of those little trophies, damn, what are they called, oh that's right, THE LEAGUE MVP on one of the worst teams in NFL history. How may Saints players after Archie have that honor?



i still wouldnt say he played great... his best year was in 1980 when he had 3700 yards 23 TDs and 20 INTs for an 81.8 QB rating

compare brooks best year stat wise... in 2003 brooks had 3500 yards 24 Tds an 8 INTs for an 88.8 QB rating.... but he also had 14 fumbles that year as well.... but either way i wouldnt say brooks was that great and archie really didnt have that great of a season either in his best year...

an i never said you need a great O line to win it all i said you need a good Oline to have a Great QB

yes SD has been a good team...wouldnt say very good... but they have been solid and i wouldnt say brees has been GREAT... i would say he has been good... better then the trash we had and hopefully he can be as good or better then he was in SD... im just saying that i would like to see him play great an for that we will need a better Oline... better then what we have now b/c we just lost our best lineman to the browns an he will be sorely missed...

Why would you compare Archie to Brooks? First, Brooks played on the most talented offensive teams the Saints have ever known. Second, it was different eras. There are so many rules made just to open up the passing game these days it's not even funny. In Archie's days, a receiver coming across the middle got knocked on his ass. Today, if a LB sneezes on them, it's 5-15 yards and a first down. But Archie STILL has a league MVP, meaning on his crap team, he was the best player int he NFL for that season. Archie was a great QB. If he played for the Steelers, he would have made Bradshaw look ordinary.

Actually, I don't believe that's true either. Would you say Denver has one of the best o-lines in football consistently? Since Elway, how many great QBs have they had? And would you say Peyton is a great QB? The Colts do not have a good O-line, or better put, you can't tell if they do or don't cause of the offense they run. Cause of Manning's understnding of the game, and their offensive philosophy, they run no huddle, quick timing routes most times, that keeps a defense guessing and on its heels. The o-linemen do not have to block long at all. The only time you get to Peyton, is when you interrupt the timing of their plays, like the Steelers did in last year's playoffs, and the Pats did in the years prior. Not every team has the defense and players to play them like that though. But because of Peyton, you would think that the Colts' O-line is very good. Really it isn't. They generally can't grind out plays at the end of games, cause their offensive line isn't built like that. They are built for finesse. That's not a good O-line. BUT, even with that said, I agree 100% we need a better O-line. There is no doubt whatsoever about that. I don't think we have to try and assemble the best O-line in the league, but if we can get a solid group of guys who can play together and watch each other's backs, and who have the proper scheme for their talent level, I bet we will see a stark contrast in the play of our entire offense.

A good OL makes even a bad QB look good. Because of the time he gets to survey the feild and make the right decision.

A good QB can make an OL look good. By having a quick release and fast decision making skills a QB can keep himself from geting sacked.

Both are true, but it really takes the combo of the two for a team to get to the next level. A good OL that gives a good QB even more time to make decisions and complete the long passes is the best.

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another endangered species? :evil:


good to see you back, JKool, you're still a law enforcer, should you ever decide to come out of retirement. If not, the crew we have in place currently is top notch.

Don't disrespect A. Manning with saying his name in the same breath as saying Brooks' name, we have been talking about Manning for a long long time since he left the game, Brooks on the other hand is a loser and we will soon forget who Brooks was. Period

Damn, I'm not even missed? :moon:

you're always here :doh:

:cheering: and a good thing I am!!!!! Hell I miss me!