Saints take Sullivan with 6th pick in Trade

BlackandBlue · 04-27-2003, 08:41 AM

Trufant > Sullivan.

But you know what, this was not a disaster. We moved up and managed to take one of the few impact players that were in this draft. Could we have addressed every position on defense had we not moved, yup. Were they going to address every position that each individual fan thought they should, nope. I have already explained my position as to why DT was not as important to me as other positions.

DT was THE position of need, I\'ll repeat it again and again.

Congrats! You can regurgitate lines other people throw around like condems. Can you give me a reason why? At least I layout the method to my madness, in my posts.

We have three very good players, but we made poor movement. I will give us a C+ for this draft, thusfar. We have an impact player on our defensive line and a future starting tackle for our offfense. The plus is from Cie, who was one of my sleepers. He loves working and he loves the game of football, and is a great athlete with tremedous upside. He played CB for the National Champions last year, yet he enters the draft as a LB. Can never have too many winners on a team.

nocloning · 04-27-2003, 10:46 AM

Can you give me a reason why? At least I layout the method to my madness, in my posts.

I\'ve said that at least since January. What hurt the most in the late season meltdown? To me it was the game in Cinci, when a backup RB - whose name even their announcer couldn\'t pronounce right - ran all over the Saints in the 4th. And you knew there was no way to stop them and they would eventually get their touchdown. Their offensive line simply dominated in the middle and produced 3-4 yards before he ever saw a defender. It was bad, admit it.
Then they go into the off-season and sign a LB, a CB, a safety. But no DT. Add to that my personal opinion that Hand will be gone due to cap reasons. Okay, you can always hope Jackson gets back into shape (and I still do) and whoever comes in from the practice squad will make an immediate impact. Or you can hope you\'ll get someone after June 1st or maybe Chester McGlockton. Realistically though you\'ll address that need in the draft.
There are 2 things that make it speculative: How do you rate our CBs, especially Carter and Ambrose? I\'d say they are league average. It looks differently if you say they are close to the bottom. Second thing is the cutting of Hand. Even if he has a decent season, do you think he is worth the money he\'s about to be paid for the 2003 season. Someone help me out here, but isn\'t it close to 5 million US dollars? Hearing nothing about trying to restructure that deal is a strong indicator for me they\'ll not keep him around.

WhoDat · 04-27-2003, 10:51 AM

I agree B&B... Sullivan is a good DT... a position that we needed MOST, followed closely by LB, then CB. I am most upset about HOW we used our picks. Staying put at 17 and 18 could have netted us Joseph and Bailey or Henderson or Woolfolk... in the second, Henderson, Mathis, Doss, in the third James...

Even if you keep an OT in there in round two we could have gone Joseph, Bailey (or a CB), Stinky, James. That\'s a better VALUE.

04-27-2003, 08:41 AM	#41
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	Saints take Sullivan with 6th pick in Trade Trufant > Sullivan. But you know what, this was not a disaster. We moved up and managed to take one of the few impact players that were in this draft. Could we have addressed every position on defense had we not moved, yup. Were they going to address every position that each individual fan thought they should, nope. I have already explained my position as to why DT was not as important to me as other positions. DT was THE position of need, I\'ll repeat it again and again. Congrats! You can regurgitate lines other people throw around like condems. Can you give me a reason why? At least I layout the method to my madness, in my posts. We have three very good players, but we made poor movement. I will give us a C+ for this draft, thusfar. We have an impact player on our defensive line and a future starting tackle for our offfense. The plus is from Cie, who was one of my sleepers. He loves working and he loves the game of football, and is a great athlete with tremedous upside. He played CB for the National Champions last year, yet he enters the draft as a LB. Can never have too many winners on a team.
	The waiting drove me mad.... I don't want to hear from those that know... Everything has changed, absolutely nothing's changed Eddie is a....draftnik?

04-27-2003, 10:46 AM	#42
nocloning 100th Post Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 302	Saints take Sullivan with 6th pick in Trade Can you give me a reason why? At least I layout the method to my madness, in my posts. I\'ve said that at least since January. What hurt the most in the late season meltdown? To me it was the game in Cinci, when a backup RB - whose name even their announcer couldn\'t pronounce right - ran all over the Saints in the 4th. And you knew there was no way to stop them and they would eventually get their touchdown. Their offensive line simply dominated in the middle and produced 3-4 yards before he ever saw a defender. It was bad, admit it. Then they go into the off-season and sign a LB, a CB, a safety. But no DT. Add to that my personal opinion that Hand will be gone due to cap reasons. Okay, you can always hope Jackson gets back into shape (and I still do) and whoever comes in from the practice squad will make an immediate impact. Or you can hope you\'ll get someone after June 1st or maybe Chester McGlockton. Realistically though you\'ll address that need in the draft. There are 2 things that make it speculative: How do you rate our CBs, especially Carter and Ambrose? I\'d say they are league average. It looks differently if you say they are close to the bottom. Second thing is the cutting of Hand. Even if he has a decent season, do you think he is worth the money he\'s about to be paid for the 2003 season. Someone help me out here, but isn\'t it close to 5 million US dollars? Hearing nothing about trying to restructure that deal is a strong indicator for me they\'ll not keep him around.
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04-27-2003, 10:51 AM	#43
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Saints take Sullivan with 6th pick in Trade I agree B&B... Sullivan is a good DT... a position that we needed MOST, followed closely by LB, then CB. I am most upset about HOW we used our picks. Staying put at 17 and 18 could have netted us Joseph and Bailey or Henderson or Woolfolk... in the second, Henderson, Mathis, Doss, in the third James... Even if you keep an OT in there in round two we could have gone Joseph, Bailey (or a CB), Stinky, James. That\'s a better VALUE.
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