Hey cher...there's always the swingers out there.

Trading Donte would be a mistake he is a solid number two WR I hope its not true

It wouldn't be no accident she would know I meant it!!!!!!!

cherm if she starts yelling in the dark just ask her if she did something different with her hair and tell her it looks nice

kffl? quoting ESPN, who doesn't have this on their site? BS until there's a real link.

xan all i did was tell you where it was posted. i didn't post the story. i bet there is something to it. does that mean it will happen, no. but i bet there is something to it. it is funny to me this is right after he was accused of trying to fight the police. that is what makes me think it is possibly true

after last season I'd say anyone and everyone is fair game. Trade him for picks I am ok with that. This is a great draft we need and should capitalize on that. Deep threat my butt... I am not believing it... sure you can get the ball to him in a post and he could break it but thats it. He is the Aaron Brooks of WR's, dropped balls, weird fumbles. I wouldn't put much stock in trading him as far as romours go but reality, I'd say he is most definately on the trading blocks. "Pluck a couple of feathers from a chicken and you still have a chicken" If you want to turn the team around you make drastic changes...

So if we trade Donte who will be our second wr Hakim droped the ball or stone hands henderson. Give him this year with a QB who can hit him in stride and see what he can do. If he does not get it done then trade him

well tiger we let hakim let go and i thought hendy did alright last year. but i like keeping him another year. the only question is what the hell is going to happen to him with this charge and why would he do that

A scenario that could come into play here IF Donte is traded is that they ask for a 2nd or 3rd round pick. The Saints may still possibly look to trade down in the draft with the Jets and get their two #1's. They could end up trying to draft a Santonio Holmes or Chad Jackson with their 2nd pick of the first round. Not that I want to see this happen, but I may not be too upset if it did.

Adam Caplan of footballinjuries.com said the Saints are not trading Donte to anyone. He said sometimes when a player gets in some trouble the team will start a trade rumor to get that players attention. Which makes alot of since to me hopefully Donte gets the message

who the hell is adam caplan of footballinjuries.com... never heard of either of those... the guy or the site.... and KFFL.com is always the first site with all the latest NFL news

A good front office will trade or let go of anyone for the best interest of the team. There is a right price and wrong price for anyone. Herschel Walker? John Elway? Eli Manning? Culpepper? McGinnest? Abraham? Roaf? Edge James?

The salary/cap implications as well as the length of the contract are just a big of issues as the player's ability. That is why many were calling for Darren Howard to be moved last year this time. A 2nd then would have been better than one more year then nothing. Ditto Bentley. This is the last season of a 6 year deal he signed in 2002 if I remember correctly. If someone liked him enoough to be able and negotiate and extension he would be worth a decent 2nd rounder IMO. No contract change and to rent the guy for a year a 3rd would be fortunate.

6 year deal... 2002.... hmmm well its 2006... so where those other 2 years went to?

You math wizard! that does up it on him. Maybe a 2nd then for 2 year rental. Extend if you like the results this year. In fact, unless the FO see him as a problem child or an authentic Mr. Dropsy he looks like a keeper.

I haven't read the two middle pages, but I really will hatet his if we do trade Donte'. He the reason I became and fell in love with the Saints. He will become a true #1 someday, after Horn is retired or whatever.

If we could get Javon I say let him go...I like the guy and I know he has the potential to be a good to great WR but Javon, even coming off the injury, would be a better now...

This is one of the ONLY ways I let Donte go. Getting Javon. Has anyone seen who Stallworth's QB has been? One of THE most inaccurate passers around, and not just inaccurate, he throws inaccurate missiles. Bad combo. Stall prob went into shock when he got a good pass. But let's look at some statements:

He drops too many:

Donte "dropped" 11 balls. Like to see what hey define as catchable but anyway, Plaxico burress and Muhsin Muhammed dropped the same amount. I wonder if they should get traded. Very close to Donte was Eddie Kennison, Antonio Gates, Chad Johnson and Chris Chambers. Are those guys getting traded? Don't think so. Drops=no big deal. A better QB will fix that.

Injury prone:

Um, he played in EVERY game the last two years. As a matter of fact, after his sophomore year, he made a committment in the offseason to train his hammies and his overall body stretching and strength to avoid injuries. They said last year he played with broken fingers from Brooks' rockets. He didn't sit down. How many players on our team have that kinda committment to improving themselves?

Has been a disappoinment:

The normal learning curve for a WR is three years, Donte as injured for his first two. Would it stand to reason he may be a bit behind the curve due to that? Anyone remember the River City relay? That play doesn't happen if Donte doesn't break THREE tackles to get it started. The kid is a PLAYMAKER.

A second is too high:

This has to be the biggest joke of all. Brandon Lloyd just got traded for a THIRD this year AND a fourth next year. Brandon FREAKING Lloyd? And Donte isn't worth AT LEAST a second? Stop smoking.

Ya know....I would kinda hate to see that happen. I think if there was one bright spot in all of last year's ugliness...it was him. He rose up, stepped to the challenge, and did a great job for us last year. Lets not forget the man is FAST. I think it would be a bad move....GET WALKER!!!

[quote="saintswhodi"]Sorry whodi but a second IS too high. What about Stallworth, other than the fact that he's on our team and you like him, makes you think he's worth a second? Like it or not he really hasn't done anything remarkable. Look at Stallworth's first three years in the league and compare them to Lloyd's. They are pretty comparable. It's not worth it to trade him at all. Looking at it from another teams' perspective, what can you point out that he's done to be worth more than what Brandon Lloyd went for? Asking a team to give up their second round pick is a bit much. A third and a forth is a lot different from that, which i would think would be a good trade for him. You said "at least" a second??? Are you saying that Stallworth is worth a second and a third? Or a first??? Come on now we all like the guy but.... :lol:

And blaming his catching woes on AB is the same thing those Raiders fans are doing....blaming AB's throwing woes on Stallworth, and the o-liine, and the coaches. Yeah it's partially AB's fautl but everyone of us here knows that Stallworth has probably the worst hands on the team, along with Henderson.

That's bull. Anyone who has watched the Saints for any period of time knows AB threw one of the most uncatchable balls ever when he was off. On the opposite end, in the Rams game this year, Donte made a catch off the top of his shoe strings running top speed towards the sideline on a pass that wasn't thrown at bullet train speed. Also, you could plainly SEE his breakaway speed in his first two years when he wasn't injured, when he caught slant passes that allowed him to stay upright and make a play. The last two years when he has been healtthy, the slant pass has consisted of him diving in the dirt with no chance to run. Please.

As far as your underestimating his value, Donte put up better numbers than Lloyd across the board, easily. In 45 games played, Lloyd has 13 TDs. In 56 played, Donte has 23. Plays over 20 yards in the same amount of games? Lloyd has 20, Donte has 46. So lloyd avergaes .29 TD a game, Donte .42. Lloyd averages .44 plays of over 20 yards per game, Donte averages .82. And this is WITH Donte missing huge parts of his first two years. It's not even close, and Lloyd got a third round pick, AND a fourth next year. So damn right Donte is worth at least a second. He is only getting better. Lloyd has never done ANYTHING and drew a 3rd and a 4th. Ridiculous.

Ok some of these stats aren't making any sense.

You are saying that you compared the stats over the same number of games, then you said that in 45 games played Lloyd has 13 TDs and Donte in 56 games has 23???????? OK i had to stop right there. In their first 3 seasons Donte had 16 TDs and Lloyd had 13. You're twisting it. All of a sudden that's undoubtedly worth a second????? Plus it was the Redskins that signed him, who are notorious for overpaying for everything. So when it comes down to it, Brandon Lloyd isn't worth a 3rd and a 4th. On the same token, Stallworth still isn't worth a second rounder.....except maybe to the Redskins. You can't gauge Stallworth's going rate in the NFL trade market by Dan Snyder's standards. He hasn't proven he knows a whole lot about football.

Plus I still don't buy that AB throwing totally uncatchable balls. Joe Horn had many more thrown to him and still dropped less over the past 5 or so years. As much as I ahbor AB, I'm not going to put it all in his lap. Simply looking at the dropped passes stat isn't enough. It's the kind of passes that he dropped that get me, and you know it.

Um, I said over the same number of games, which I mentioned prior to that. I then averaged out each player's rate PER THE GAMES EACH HAD PLAYED. So in the same # of games, i.e. the 45 I had mentioned for Lloyd and the 56 for Stallworth. It's not hard.

I also found an interesting article on ESPN about trading WRs:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/column...1&lid=tab1pos2

The Jets gave a second for McCareins? Are the Jets known for overpaying for players? This is when they had Herm Edwards, so i'd say no. So please, spare me the Donte couldn't get a second nonsense.

And if you wanna think AB had nothing to do with uncatchable balls, so be it. You must have been watching different games than what his career under 60% completion percentage would suggest. :roll:

LOL....all of that "averaging out" is unnecessary. It's all just overanalyzing. You just look at the stats for what they are. In 3 seasons Donte had 16 TDs and Lloyd had 13. That's it. It's an unfair comparison in the first place since one player has 3 years in the league and the other has 4. But over the 3 year stretch there is no evidence that Stallworth is far and away Lloyd's superior. And Stallworth doesn't get extra consideration because he was injured a lot of that time. That's lost production which would be a red flag to me if I were an NFL GM. Results are all that matter.

Umm ok where did I say AB had nothing to do with uncatchable balls. hmmmm i must've missed it.....while you're finding where in my post i ever said that, why don't you address the fact that Joe Horn had the same kind of throws, and a lot more of them at that, that Stallworth had to get thrown at him yet still put up Pro Bowl numbers. I guess you're going to say that AB gave Horn more catchable balls. I hate that i'm being put in a spot to defend Aaron Brooks in a sense, but there's no way I'll believe that it's totally or even mostly Brooks' fault that Stallworth dropped passes. Brooks threw some pretty horrible balls behind, above, and beyond the recievers a lot of the time. However, dropped passes means the ball touched your hands and you had a reasonable shot at catching it but didn't, like errors in baseball. And if you think dropped balls are no big deal, then you're sadly mistaken because in the NFL dropped balls kill drives.

Goldrush I agree with you 100% on the catchable ball deal, not to defend you know who...it hits you in the hands you get paid to catch it....My question for horn stallworth and the boyz I mentioned in another post is what's the excuse for dropped passes this year, different spin on the ball?? We shall see I guess

I just re-read this. We aren't seriously comparing Donte Stallworth to Buress, Muhammed, Antonio Gates, Chad Johnson and Chris Chambers, are we??? Eddie Kennison is the only one I would say is comparable to Stallworth, and yeah I wouldn't be surprised one bit if he got traded. He wouldn't be getting a second rounder, that's for sure. Same rap with him....a blazer with questionable hands. Drops=no big deal???? i can't believe u said that. I guess all of his catches were a total credit to him and all of his drops were Brooks fault. :roll:

Um, averaging out is the only way to get a clear picture of two guys who have played a different amount of games. I can take ANY 2 or three season stretch and make the numbers say what I want. But you can't hide averages. So that's what I did. I noticed you didn't say anything about that 2nd for McCareins though. Stallworth is clearly better than Lloyd. The averages prove it. But if i was arguing your side, I would try to make the stats as vague as possible too. :roll:

Next, Horn and Stallworth are TWO DIFFERENT RECEIVERS. Joe Horn is more of a possession type, big catch receiver, although he led the team in drops last year. Stallworth is a BURNER, who is learning more possession type skills. Who has been catching AB's passe slonger, the vet Horn, who came to the Saints at age 28 in 1999, or the young player Stallworth, who came two years later and has battled injuries his first two years? Is this even a serious comparison? Can't be.
So do bad passes, INTs, and fumbles. And now we are gonna get into WHEN dropped passes happen? Are you gonna analyze it for Chad Johnson, Antonio Gates, Plax Burress, Muhsin Muhammed, and Chris Chambers too? Even GREAT receivers drop balls. It happens. It's not always their fault though. If they go by what you say and any ball that touches your hands in catchable, it's understandable why Stallworth has a high number, cause that's BS. If you're running across the field at top speed to avoid a LB, and the QB throws it behind you like a rocket, and you reach back and get a hand on it, should you catch that? Is it the receivers' fault if he doesn't? Is that a "reasonable" shot? Please. :?

did I compare those players, or the dropped passes stat for those players to Donte? Might wanna read back. :roll:

I think I see where papz was coming from:

Outside of the Vodka, I am gonna take this same approach.

Ok trading Stallworth would be stupid, He is coming off his best year and is getting better every season.... Get a new Qb in town that is a heckuva lot better than Brooks and trade him.... I really think Stallworth and Brees will be hooking up this year in the endzone alot...... more than horn.......... I just dont see why we trade Stallworth i am just starting to like the guy........

The fact of the matter is that the Redskins overpaid for Lloyd. That's pretty apparent. You said yourself he has done nothing. If you were the Saints, would you give up our third(if we hadx one) and fourth for Lloyd, and answer that truthfully. On the same token, would you give up our second for Justin McCareins????? I know you would say no since you have obvious disdain for these two players. If the answer is no, that's overpaying. Come on now. If a team wanted him bad enough yeah Stallworth could get a second. But is he worth a second truthfully...nope. I think of it like this....if he was on another team and that team offered us him in exchange for the right to pick a player like Nick Mangold, Demarco Ryans, Claude Wroten, or Sinorice Moss....I'm sorry but I'm keeping my pick. The fact of the matter is that all three of them are in the same lump. For the most part they have all been unremarkable. One got a 3rd and a 4th. One got a second. How you could be so sure that Stallworth would get us "at least a second" is still beyond me. If you still want to play this "averages" game, do what you gotta do. I judge a players' performance by the season, not game by game.

And now you're making excuses for Stallworth dropping passes because Horn's been working with Brooks longer??? Right. Only problem with that is that Horn had one of his best seasons during his FIRST season with Brooks. Try again. And once again he gets a pass on your behalf because he's been "battling injuries". Is that Brooks fault too?

I didn't say that great recievers don't drop passes. But the great recievers put up GREAT NUMBERS to supplement those drops, which is why it's ridiculous to compare the drops of those other recievers to Stallworth's. Put it into the proper perspective. All of those aformentioned recievers are PRIMARY recievers and it's understood that they have more passes thrown to them than Stallworth. So they still catch a much better proportion of their passes than Stallworth does. And another thing....I'm almost certain dropped passes are passes in which the reciever has TWO hands on the ball, because if they counted the ones where he had one hand on the number would be WELL into the 30s. You get two hands on the ball in the NFL you're supposed to catch it. I'm sure even Stallworth himself understands this.

stats stats stats... where is the wins?

I think we should keep Stallworth. He has been improving each year. We are going to need him to step up when Horn leaves.

I'll say this....Stats are great, but they do not include the fact that the guy is fast, fast, fast. Is does help. Keep him.

I agree with Whodi 100%. Yes, Stallworth is battled injuries, but everyone agrees that with a QB with an accurate arm (i.e. Brees) he will show he is worth a 2nd, and hopefully more. Whodi is right about the difference in the types of WR's. Horn is an all around WR, while Stallworth is a deep threat who is still learning the posession type. On behalf of Lloyd, he has made alot of nice catches, but he had no QB at all. He is definately worth a 4th, maybe not a 3rd and 4th. But Stallworth hasn't played a full 16 game season for 3 seasons, so averages is basically out the window.

Adam Caplan is a guest host on sirius nfl radio he seems to know whats going on everywhere. Think Adam Shefter on radio!