kelly, this does'nt sound bad.......

ssmitty · 04-04-2006, 08:26 AM

jets give the 4th and 29th and maybe a pick next yr, then denver gives the 15th and 22nd.
result---------15th, 22nd,29th, and 34th.........
we could address all needs and build for the future...........smitty

VikingSaint · 04-04-2006, 08:32 AM

ssmitty - how would we end up with three first round picks in your thought process ???

zachsaints52 · 04-04-2006, 08:54 AM

We get the #4 and 34th from Jets for 2nd overall, than trade the 4th for the two firsts of Denver. Plus our second rounder......

hagan714 · 04-04-2006, 10:30 AM

why a second? Denver gave up about 880 pts in the deal to 15. straight up jets 4,29 then denver 15 and 22.
but there is aprice to pay to go to 4 from two. that price is at least
Both #1(2440),2(550),= 2980 - 2600 = - 380
Both #1(2440),3(235),4 (92)= 2767 - 2600 = -167
as for denver
15(1050)22(780)=1830 + 2(292) = 2122-1800= - 322
Remeber you are trading to a club that NEEDS a QB, a possible franchise QB non the less that will put butts in the seats. Denver is asking you trade out of the top 5 much less the top 10. So a 2 (in Denvers case it will be a low pick)in 2007 would have to be included. That is why draft values change so much within each round.
So in the end you would get 15,22,29,35,61 in best case. Or 15,22,29,71,92 but remeber you have passed on alot of talent and now have a major cap situation if you use the picks.

LKelley67 · 04-04-2006, 11:06 AM

good math work hagan. For your next project, compare the cumulative salaries and cap impact of those proposed acquired picks vs. #2. It may be less than you think. Last year's #2 Ronnie Brown received some criticism cuz his package was in reality smaller than some after him. Those numbers were $34mil for 5 yrs with almost $20mil guaranteed with performance bonuses that could make $31mil guaranteed. Last year's No. 15 pick, Derrick Johnson of the Kansas City Chiefs, received about $7.8 million in guaranteed money as part of a five-year, $10.5 million contract. The 29th selection, Marlin Jackson of the Indianapolis Colts, got a $4.38 million signing bonus as part of a five-year, $7 million package. #22 Mark Clayton's overall package is worth $8.2 million, though incentives and escalator clauses could push the total value to $11 million, according to a league source. Clayton, the 22nd overall pick, will receive close to $6 million in guaranteed money.

Just from those numbers for 15, 22, and 29= $23.5mil vs. $34mil for #2

More evidence of the wisdom of trading down IMO.

ssmitty · 04-04-2006, 04:18 PM

Originally Posted by hagan714

why a second? Denver gave up about 880 pts in the deal to 15. straight up jets 4,29 then denver 15 and 22.
but there is aprice to pay to go to 4 from two. that price is at least
Both #1(2440),2(550),= 2980 - 2600 = - 380
Both #1(2440),3(235),4 (92)= 2767 - 2600 = -167
as for denver
15(1050)22(780)=1830 + 2(292) = 2122-1800= - 322
Remeber you are trading to a club that NEEDS a QB, a possible franchise QB non the less that will put butts in the seats. Denver is asking you trade out of the top 5 much less the top 10. So a 2 (in Denvers case it will be a low pick)in 2007 would have to be included. That is why draft values change so much within each round.
So in the end you would get 15,22,29,35,61 in best case. Or 15,22,29,71,92 but remeber you have passed on alot of talent and now have a major cap situation if you use the picks.

the only thing we pass on is the #4 pick in that deal which would net us a possible starter.
with those 3 picks and our 2nd, i think we could fill all holes if they panned out....it would be nice to have those picks................smitty

ssmitty · 04-04-2006, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by LKelley67

good math work hagan. For your next project, compare the cumulative salaries and cap impact of those proposed acquired picks vs. #2. It may be less than you think. Last year's #2 Ronnie Brown received some criticism cuz his package was in reality smaller than some after him. Those numbers were $34mil for 5 yrs with almost $20mil guaranteed with performance bonuses that could make $31mil guaranteed. Last year's No. 15 pick, Derrick Johnson of the Kansas City Chiefs, received about $7.8 million in guaranteed money as part of a five-year, $10.5 million contract. The 29th selection, Marlin Jackson of the Indianapolis Colts, got a $4.38 million signing bonus as part of a five-year, $7 million package. #22 Mark Clayton's overall package is worth $8.2 million, though incentives and escalator clauses could push the total value to $11 million, according to a league source. Clayton, the 22nd overall pick, will receive close to $6 million in guaranteed money.

Just from those numbers for 15, 22, and 29= $23.5mil vs. $34mil for #2

More evidence of the wisdom of trading down IMO.

kelly , i did not run the #'s on the cap, but i figured it could'nt be that much the more you drop..........but thanks for posting them, and what do you think, nice or no? smitty

NEXTPROBOWLER · 04-04-2006, 04:51 PM

all i have to say is yall put alot of thought into it lol

hagan714 · 04-04-2006, 06:53 PM

thanks for the cap numbers. I thought they would run about 15% higher than the #2. but it appears i am wrong. great.

hagan714 · 04-04-2006, 07:07 PM

but I would like to see denver getting a higher pick in the top 10 then trade it to us with the 2. Just 2 much talent in the top 10 to pass up. If denver could get a pick between 5-10 before the draft I would pass on the second #1. GB would be Perfect for denver.

04-04-2006, 08:26 AM	#1
ssmitty 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,879	kelly, this does'nt sound bad....... jets give the 4th and 29th and maybe a pick next yr, then denver gives the 15th and 22nd. result---------15th, 22nd,29th, and 34th......... we could address all needs and build for the future...........smitty
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04-04-2006, 08:54 AM	#3
zachsaints52 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Abingdon, Virginia Posts: 522	RE: kelly, this does We get the #4 and 34th from Jets for 2nd overall, than trade the 4th for the two firsts of Denver. Plus our second rounder......

04-04-2006, 10:30 AM	#4
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	RE: kelly, this does why a second? Denver gave up about 880 pts in the deal to 15. straight up jets 4,29 then denver 15 and 22. but there is aprice to pay to go to 4 from two. that price is at least Both #1(2440),2(550),= 2980 - 2600 = - 380 Both #1(2440),3(235),4 (92)= 2767 - 2600 = -167 as for denver 15(1050)22(780)=1830 + 2(292) = 2122-1800= - 322 Remeber you are trading to a club that NEEDS a QB, a possible franchise QB non the less that will put butts in the seats. Denver is asking you trade out of the top 5 much less the top 10. So a 2 (in Denvers case it will be a low pick)in 2007 would have to be included. That is why draft values change so much within each round. So in the end you would get 15,22,29,35,61 in best case. Or 15,22,29,71,92 but remeber you have passed on alot of talent and now have a major cap situation if you use the picks.
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04-04-2006, 04:18 PM	#6
ssmitty 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,879	Re: RE: kelly, this does Originally Posted by hagan714 why a second? Denver gave up about 880 pts in the deal to 15. straight up jets 4,29 then denver 15 and 22. but there is aprice to pay to go to 4 from two. that price is at least Both #1(2440),2(550),= 2980 - 2600 = - 380 Both #1(2440),3(235),4 (92)= 2767 - 2600 = -167 as for denver 15(1050)22(780)=1830 + 2(292) = 2122-1800= - 322 Remeber you are trading to a club that NEEDS a QB, a possible franchise QB non the less that will put butts in the seats. Denver is asking you trade out of the top 5 much less the top 10. So a 2 (in Denvers case it will be a low pick)in 2007 would have to be included. That is why draft values change so much within each round. So in the end you would get 15,22,29,35,61 in best case. Or 15,22,29,71,92 but remeber you have passed on alot of talent and now have a major cap situation if you use the picks. the only thing we pass on is the #4 pick in that deal which would net us a possible starter. with those 3 picks and our 2nd, i think we could fill all holes if they panned out....it would be nice to have those picks................smitty
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04-04-2006, 04:21 PM	#7
ssmitty 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,879	Originally Posted by LKelley67 good math work hagan. For your next project, compare the cumulative salaries and cap impact of those proposed acquired picks vs. #2. It may be less than you think. Last year's #2 Ronnie Brown received some criticism cuz his package was in reality smaller than some after him. Those numbers were $34mil for 5 yrs with almost $20mil guaranteed with performance bonuses that could make $31mil guaranteed. Last year's No. 15 pick, Derrick Johnson of the Kansas City Chiefs, received about $7.8 million in guaranteed money as part of a five-year, $10.5 million contract. The 29th selection, Marlin Jackson of the Indianapolis Colts, got a $4.38 million signing bonus as part of a five-year, $7 million package. #22 Mark Clayton's overall package is worth $8.2 million, though incentives and escalator clauses could push the total value to $11 million, according to a league source. Clayton, the 22nd overall pick, will receive close to $6 million in guaranteed money. Just from those numbers for 15, 22, and 29= $23.5mil vs. $34mil for #2 More evidence of the wisdom of trading down IMO. kelly , i did not run the #'s on the cap, but i figured it could'nt be that much the more you drop..........but thanks for posting them, and what do you think, nice or no? smitty
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04-04-2006, 08:32 AM	#2
VikingSaint Registered Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Houma Posts: 76	RE: kelly, this does ssmitty - how would we end up with three first round picks in your thought process ???

04-04-2006, 11:06 AM	#5
LKelley67 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: baton rouge Posts: 2,540	good math work hagan. For your next project, compare the cumulative salaries and cap impact of those proposed acquired picks vs. #2. It may be less than you think. Last year's #2 Ronnie Brown received some criticism cuz his package was in reality smaller than some after him. Those numbers were $34mil for 5 yrs with almost $20mil guaranteed with performance bonuses that could make $31mil guaranteed. Last year's No. 15 pick, Derrick Johnson of the Kansas City Chiefs, received about $7.8 million in guaranteed money as part of a five-year, $10.5 million contract. The 29th selection, Marlin Jackson of the Indianapolis Colts, got a $4.38 million signing bonus as part of a five-year, $7 million package. #22 Mark Clayton's overall package is worth $8.2 million, though incentives and escalator clauses could push the total value to $11 million, according to a league source. Clayton, the 22nd overall pick, will receive close to $6 million in guaranteed money. Just from those numbers for 15, 22, and 29= $23.5mil vs. $34mil for #2 More evidence of the wisdom of trading down IMO.

04-04-2006, 04:51 PM	#8
NEXTPROBOWLER 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 269	all i have to say is yall put alot of thought into it lol

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hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	thanks for the cap numbers. I thought they would run about 15% higher than the #2. but it appears i am wrong. great.

04-04-2006, 07:07 PM	#10
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	but I would like to see denver getting a higher pick in the top 10 then trade it to us with the 2. Just 2 much talent in the top 10 to pass up. If denver could get a pick between 5-10 before the draft I would pass on the second #1. GB would be Perfect for denver.