It's going to be murder.....

Euphoria · 04-05-2006, 04:14 PM

yeah thats nuts... you wanna get a player who will play more downs for you... not come in on certain situations or downs. You need an everydown player, BRICK.

AllSaints · 04-05-2006, 04:23 PM

Yeah im not understanding the whole Mel Kiper on Mario i mean he think charles grant sucks..... he didnt have a great year last year but i mean who did.......... It would be smart to take Ferguson or Hawk......

saintswhodi · 04-05-2006, 04:29 PM

Do people realize Charles Grant was prob double teamed more than anyone on our defense last year, coming off the year he had in 2004? I went to the three games in San Antonio, Grant is a fiery guy on the field, and he ALWAYS is trying to hype up the crowd or get the D fired up. Noone should be down on this guy. He'll bounce back since people will start having to pay more attention to Will. There is no need for Mario at all.

TalmanGardnerCousin · 04-05-2006, 04:36 PM

I really like Charles Grant I think he's a good player I use to always talk to him at party's when me and TG would go, I really love how he tries to pump the crowd up, he never let the saints down on the field so I would never say anything bad about him. He is great for our lockerroom so Charles keep ya head up boy we holding you down.

TheDeuce · 04-05-2006, 07:27 PM

At 6'7" 295? No way in hell would I do that. Has there been a 295 LB in the NFL since Levon Kirkland? And I think he only topped 275.

Good point whodi. Sure he would be a freak with that combination of size and 4.6 speed at the LB position. However, there's more to it than that. First, he'd have to learn how to play LB, and it's a lot different than DE in terms of technique and recognizing plays. Also, there's a lot more physically to playing the LB position. Having 4.6 speed might be good for a DE who takes straight lines to the QB or down the line, but a LB has to have good fluidity in his hips and the ability to change directions. I'm sure he has good change of direction ability just because he's really athletic, but I don't think it's up to par compared to the better LBs in the league.

Do people realize Charles Grant was prob double teamed more than anyone on our defense last year, coming off the year he had in 2004? I went to the three games in San Antonio, Grant is a fiery guy on the field, and he ALWAYS is trying to hype up the crowd or get the D fired up. Noone should be down on this guy. He'll bounce back since people will start having to pay more attention to Will. There is no need for Mario at all.

Thank you. I'm just glad some people realize how good Grant truly is, not only on the field, but also in the lockerroom.

BiggPoppaFro4 · 04-05-2006, 09:48 PM

Yeah they may have tried Howard at DT, but he was undersized for the job. At 6'7, 295 pounds (and likely able to grow 10-15 lbs.) with that kind of speed and ability, Williams may be the next iteration of DT. Of course you don't draft him with the intent of rotating, but hell, with a line rush of Grant, Smith Williams and who-the-hell-else ('sept Sully), what QB isn't going to crap on himself?! Besides, think about how much easier our LB blitz packages are with that kind of line!

in 2000 we had Glover on the line wearking up people's gameplans. He's 6'2 and had never played above 295. Plus he's not nearly the athlete we are looking at in Williams. Hell, Cleamons and Johnson got HUGE FA deals off of the havoc Glover was able to create. Whatever happened to them? that's right....

*once again, I DON'T think this should be our first choice, but if it did happen (dear God, no) just playing DA.

gandhi1007 · 04-05-2006, 10:02 PM

Originally Posted by BiggPoppaFro4

in 2000 we had Glover on the line wearking up people's gameplans. He's 6'2 and had never played above 295. Plus he's not nearly the athlete we are looking at in Williams. Hell, Cleamons and Johnson got HUGE FA deals off of the havoc Glover was able to create. Whatever happened to them? that's right....

Glover also had one hell of a motor & was like 6% body fat. Not your average DT for that size.

BiggPoppaFro4 · 04-05-2006, 10:07 PM

Exactly.

GoldRush26 · 04-05-2006, 10:29 PM

Well I agree that we don't need Mario Williams....taking him would be FAR from the worst move ever. The guy is supposed to be on some Julius Peppers shizit. I haven't seen him play, but he'd probably be the best defensive player we had right off the bat(not that hard on this squad). All of that talk about Will Smith to LB could have some meaning. It's not like we would be doomed or haunted from taking him. Not saying I'm for this pick, because I'm not, but we could do a lot worse.

That being said I think we are taking D'Brick still. When have the "experts" ever had the Saints pick right?

04-05-2006, 07:27 PM	#15
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	At 6'7" 295? No way in hell would I do that. Has there been a 295 LB in the NFL since Levon Kirkland? And I think he only topped 275. Good point whodi. Sure he would be a freak with that combination of size and 4.6 speed at the LB position. However, there's more to it than that. First, he'd have to learn how to play LB, and it's a lot different than DE in terms of technique and recognizing plays. Also, there's a lot more physically to playing the LB position. Having 4.6 speed might be good for a DE who takes straight lines to the QB or down the line, but a LB has to have good fluidity in his hips and the ability to change directions. I'm sure he has good change of direction ability just because he's really athletic, but I don't think it's up to par compared to the better LBs in the league. Do people realize Charles Grant was prob double teamed more than anyone on our defense last year, coming off the year he had in 2004? I went to the three games in San Antonio, Grant is a fiery guy on the field, and he ALWAYS is trying to hype up the crowd or get the D fired up. Noone should be down on this guy. He'll bounce back since people will start having to pay more attention to Will. There is no need for Mario at all. Thank you. I'm just glad some people realize how good Grant truly is, not only on the field, but also in the lockerroom.
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04-05-2006, 09:48 PM	#16
BiggPoppaFro4 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 231	Yeah they may have tried Howard at DT, but he was undersized for the job. At 6'7, 295 pounds (and likely able to grow 10-15 lbs.) with that kind of speed and ability, Williams may be the next iteration of DT. Of course you don't draft him with the intent of rotating, but hell, with a line rush of Grant, Smith Williams and who-the-hell-else ('sept Sully), what QB isn't going to crap on himself?! Besides, think about how much easier our LB blitz packages are with that kind of line! in 2000 we had Glover on the line wearking up people's gameplans. He's 6'2 and had never played above 295. Plus he's not nearly the athlete we are looking at in Williams. Hell, Cleamons and Johnson got HUGE FA deals off of the havoc Glover was able to create. Whatever happened to them? that's right.... *once again, I DON'T think this should be our first choice, but if it did happen (dear God, no) just playing DA.
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04-05-2006, 10:02 PM	#17
gandhi1007 Part Time Pimp Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,967	Originally Posted by BiggPoppaFro4 in 2000 we had Glover on the line wearking up people's gameplans. He's 6'2 and had never played above 295. Plus he's not nearly the athlete we are looking at in Williams. Hell, Cleamons and Johnson got HUGE FA deals off of the havoc Glover was able to create. Whatever happened to them? that's right.... Glover also had one hell of a motor & was like 6% body fat. Not your average DT for that size.

04-05-2006, 10:07 PM	#18
BiggPoppaFro4 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 231	Exactly.
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04-05-2006, 10:29 PM	#19
GoldRush26 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 594	Well I agree that we don't need Mario Williams....taking him would be FAR from the worst move ever. The guy is supposed to be on some Julius Peppers shizit. I haven't seen him play, but he'd probably be the best defensive player we had right off the bat(not that hard on this squad). All of that talk about Will Smith to LB could have some meaning. It's not like we would be doomed or haunted from taking him. Not saying I'm for this pick, because I'm not, but we could do a lot worse. That being said I think we are taking D'Brick still. When have the "experts" ever had the Saints pick right?
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Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	yeah thats nuts... you wanna get a player who will play more downs for you... not come in on certain situations or downs. You need an everydown player, BRICK.

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saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Do people realize Charles Grant was prob double teamed more than anyone on our defense last year, coming off the year he had in 2004? I went to the three games in San Antonio, Grant is a fiery guy on the field, and he ALWAYS is trying to hype up the crowd or get the D fired up. Noone should be down on this guy. He'll bounce back since people will start having to pay more attention to Will. There is no need for Mario at all.

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TalmanGardnerCousin Registered Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Kenner Posts: 76	I really like Charles Grant I think he's a good player I use to always talk to him at party's when me and TG would go, I really love how he tries to pump the crowd up, he never let the saints down on the field so I would never say anything bad about him. He is great for our lockerroom so Charles keep ya head up boy we holding you down.