Trading Dwight Smith?
 

I just read on CBSSportsline where Pete Prisco is reporting that the Saints are shopping Dwight Smith around and have been for some time. They have been asking for a third round pick in exchange for our best safety. This has been going on even before we signed Keith Davis to an offer sheet. Maybe now that Dallas has matched, Loomis will come to his senses and stop shopping around the key to our secondary.

I know how great this draft crop is and yes it makes sense to aquire as many picks as possible, but why trade Dwight for a third round pick? Even if it were the first pick in the third round, would that be worth our best safety/corner? I was thinking that our secondary might look pretty good on paper this year with Mike and Dwight at corner and B. Scott and J. Bullocks at safety along with Omar, Fred and co. Now it looks like the key member might be traded for a freakin third round pick! Please tell me this is just an old rumor or old news that will never come to fruition.

Also, Prisco stated that the Saints really want to trade down and pick A.J. Hawk and are putting out a Leinhart smoke screen in order to sucker the Jets to trade up. I wouldn't mind that at all, but I also would like to see The Brick in black and gold.

RE: Trading Dwight Smith?
 

Maybe we could package him and Grant to Green Bay for Javon Walker and their #5? That would rock, we get Super Mario and Hawk.

WhoDi would LOVE this.

RE: Trading Dwight Smith?
 

I don't think it's a good idea to get rid of Smith. Although, with all the free agent moves to get more guys into the secondary, it definately looks like they are trying to gid rid of someone.

I can't even fathom the thought process that went into deciding to trade Dwight Smith. I am just at a loss. Why would we trade him? He is our best DB, no offense to McKenzie. Unless they think Michael Huff is the best player in the draft, or Brian Scott can really get it done, this move makes no sense to me. None.

Well with Dallas matching our offer I do not think that will happen. Unless a trade down is in the works and Huff or Williams is the guy Payton is targeting that would put GB or Oakland as a partner

I don't even have to say what I think of trading D. Smith for a 3rd rounder. It seems my premonition about the same old Benson bulls**t is happening again. Damnit! And I was just starting to get optimistic about our FO again. :roll: I gotta' get a drink! :patos:

You got a link?
I've been looking and can't find it.

no way you trade D Smith. not for a 3rd rounder, not for anything....unless some team is saying "of course we'll trade Polamalu for smith"...or..."Roy Williams for Smith, that sounds fair"
No, I don't say he is as good as those boys, but he was our equivilant (and yes I do know he plays FS and those two play SS, so chill).

MM should take no offense...Smith was our best secondary guy last year. We spent three years watching T-suck stink up the backfield, and in one year smith quietly came in and got it done. I say this is just rumor and speculation.

I want to hear trade sully talk, personally!!!

I'm selling this. I don't see why in the world the front office would even be looking to get rid of Dwight Smith. He's the most effective playmaker in that secondary. What's a brotha gotta do to get a link around here?

I agree after Dallas matched the offer this may not happen but Keith is more of a special teamer to Dallas.

I don't see the article that the person who started this thread is talking about anywhere on Sportsline. I call BS.

Where are the link police when you need them. Hey Bignic got a link to that story?

Here we go guys...heres the link. Bottom of the page...looks like we are shopping Watson around too.
http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/9376416/2

And heres the story...

----Even before the Saints signed Dallas safety Keith Davis to a two-year offer sheet as a restricted free agent, they were shopping safety Dwight Smith around the league. Word is they're asking for a third-round pick for Smith, who was signed last yeas as an unrestricted free agent from Tampa Bay. The Saints are also shopping linebacker Courtney Watson for a draft pick. Watson was a 2004 pick of the previous coaching regime. The Saints already traded tackle Wayne Gandy last week to the Falcons for safety Byron Scott, who has been a disappointment in Atlanta. Gandy will start at left tackle for the Falcons, but there was a reason the Saints let him go. Both he and guard Kendall Jacox, a starter last year, were refusing to take part in the team's off-season workouts, which is why they were allowed to leave. The rash of Saints news makes two things quite clear: New coach Sean Payton wants his guys on the roster and he isn't going to tolerate players not buying into his program.

Finally!! Someone found it.

From reading that, the Bills part, and the rumors we've been hearing about a possible trade with them I think I figured out what will happen. We send them Smith and the #2 pick in exchange for the eighth pick, either the 70th or 73rd pick, and Spikes. Smith is a good Safety, but of our best defensive players he is the most expendable. With the eighth pick we could draft Huff, and play him at either Safety or Corner, depending on what happens with our recent signings.

Or we could draft N'gata. That would give us the proper personel to run a *gasp* 3-4!

Also:

By pulling off a trade with Buffalo, and drafting N'gata, we could pick Max Jean-Gilles(sp) in the third round. We could use the 34th pick on Whitworth, or a Corner.

By drafting Huff, we could get Whitworth with the 34th pick and Wroten with the third rounder.

I find this very interesting... why are we trying to free up more cap room? I wonder if they're trying to sign a big name. If they aren't, shopping him around makes no sense to me. He's still a young guy and is a solid player.

Hey P, I think that the shopping will stop now that we didn't get Davis. You wouldn't be suggesting a big name that rhymes with wine art would you?

and wine art is the puke stain made after drinking too much wine.

Or he could be talking about someone whose name rhymes with................Arrington.

I'm all for that one.

I gots no prob with a deal like that except I don't think we need Ngata and we would need alot more than just him to switch to 3-4. Then I also think the 3-4 is a fad that will pass for the mst part and one or two teams will keep it.

If smith isn't gonna be a part of what payton is selling, I can see getting rid of him. Dude needs to be a leader. My question is, can Spikes be that guy instead? I mean, in essence, we are talking about a trade for the two men, not really the picks. Spikes cried out of Cincy, and now that things look bleak, is sounding like he is wanting out of Buffalo.

Is that the type of guy we want? Or why not start fresh with a kid like Hawk and add a Ryans, Hodge or Jackson to boot?

No one in particular I'm suggesting but there's still a nice list of free agents still available. But as far as the draft is concerned, if this were to happen, it would make drafting Leinart a little easier if we chose to go in that direction of course.

How much do you guys really buy into the fact that we may still draft Leinart?

(Not being snide, just wanting to know b/c I keep getting that queasy feeling I'm gonna end up throwing something at the TV on draft day instead of celebrating)

I haven't looked at trading D. Smith that way, but me too! :lol:

Ditto Poppa, but I wouldn't call it queasy more like power hurling.

I think Payton may be trying to get as many untainted minds as he can. The draft is important, but I think doubly so for new coaches. Imagine moving into a house with someones stuff already in it. You like you make it yours as much as possible. I wouldn't like trading Smith away though. Unless they're eyeing a safty in the second round, but I wouldn't even wanna chance throwing a rookie into a starting position if you don't have too. And I pray that Mangold is availible at 34. This shuffling guys around worries me a bit. But if they could sqeeze two picks out of the Jets, I'd love for them to pick up a corner in the second.

If & only if we trade Dwight Smith, I like Ko Simpson from South Carolina at safety in the second round.

Excellent point. And if Payton deems Smith expendable because of his need to get his own players, hen I would trust him. Let's let him get his own grocieries before he makes us dinner. All I would ask is that we get something good in exchange for Smith.

or could we be lookin at a mackenize, WOODSON, Bullocks Bellamy Secondary.... i dunno food for thought

I don't really think that trading Dwight Smith would be the best thing for this team in a playmaking sense. However, if this guy isn't going to be a team player and isn't going to follow what the new coaching staff says (which is what the article made it sound like), then I think the best thing for the team as a whole would be to bring in somebody that Payton feels would be better. I honestly think we should keep him, and it sounds like we're going to, but I have really liked what Payton's done so far, and I think I'm going to trust whatever he does in the next few weeks.

O and about Courtney Watson, I hope that we really do trade him. I would love to get an extra draft pick for this turd. He's been hurt and he's not a very good athlete, but I tried to tell myself that I should continue to give this guy a chance because he had the chance to be a leader on defense, but then he goes and gets a DUI and just seemed to drop off the face of the earth. He was a 2nd round pick, and he hasn't hardly seen the field. Time to trade him, cut him, or whatever, but we just need to move on from this guy.

If we are only looking for a 3rd rounder for Smith.....what value do u think watson has????? I say we get a 9th rounder at best......heh

[quote]If we are only looking for a 3rd rounder for Smith.....what value do u think watson has????? I say we get a 9th rounder at best......heh

I was wondering that myself.

I don't think we need Watson now that we have Simmons and Fujita. I would like to see the guy step up and start playing a little better, but for now he wouldn't be a bad #2 guy because he knows the defense and the guys he's playing with. That way if Simmons has trouble picking it up, Watson can sub in every now and then.

I agree that he knows the majority of the guys he's playing with, but he's learning the defense just like everyone else with a new coach and defensive coordinator, thank the Lord. He knew the Haslett/Venturi defensive scheme that was drawn up by Ida Knownothing, a kindergarten student who has a real knack for using crayons. The sad thing is that Venturi and Haslett couldn't understand the simplified gameplan.

So that's why Aaron Brooks couldn't understand the playbook. :D

Check this out.......per Fox Sports

Colby Bockwoldt - #57 - Linebacker - 6'1" - 237lbs
News: Colby Bockwoldt lined up at middle linebacker at Friday's practice.
Impact: Scott Fujita was the WILL and Anthony Simmons was the SAM. Bockwoldt, who has improved in his two seasons, would be a very interesting IDP option in the middle for the Saints. (Thu. Apr 13, 2006)

Fujita, Simmons and Bockwoldt....sounds alright to me. Better than Bockwoldt, Watson and Allen.

hawk, bockwoldt, and simmons sounds MUCH better.

I would like to see Simmons in the middle where he's played before, Hawk and let the rest fight it out over the last spot. I really think even if we don't draft Hawk the linebacking corps will be much improved.

Bockwoldt is awful. I'd much rather have Fujita, Hawk, Simmons.

I'd like to see us keep Watson for detph. Plus I'm really not confident in the way these guys have been coached in the last couple of years. Have you noticed players seem to blossom when they leave the Saints, and New Orleans seems to be where players go to die (Dale Carter, Brian Cox). I don't feel that way anymore. I'm speaking more past tense with this new staff in mind. But I'm interested in what can be done now. I remember Steve Young saying how the Saints where such a dissapointment because of all the talent we had. We know the talent there, but direction and discipline is what we've been lacking.

Good point Savant. I haven't thought of it that way.