i pose a ? to you guys
 

ok... say we trade down with the jets to 4... so they take leinert... do we think that the titans will pick young? of not then who? if they dont take young, who do they take? also... with young then still being on the board... do we take trade offers from someone who wants him... say maybe oakland... or the cardinals...or do we just make the pick...

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If we trade w/ the Jets & they snag Leinart, I really feel like Tennessee will end up drafting the Brick House or trade down. If Oakland wants Young bad enough, make them pay for the pick. When Al Davis has a hard on for someone, he'll break the bank to get them! :D

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Oakland is at what 7? So we get the Jets picks from trading down, then we could get more picks from Oakland to do it again? I'd say hell yes i'd do it.

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Pak, I totally read your title as "I pose for you guys". Once I got over being queasy I breathed a sigh of relief.

If we trade down to 4 and the Jets take Leinart, I think the Titans take Cutler. But I wouldn't be surprised to see them take Young. If they dont' take Young for whatever reason, then it depends on who the staff wants. If they want Hawk, then maybe we can trade down. I would bet that the Packers take Williams over Hawk.

In that case, I suppose we could trade with Oakland still find Hawk at #7. It's a pretty dangerous game to play though. The 49ers might like Hawk to replace Peterson.

I'm not sure we can trade past #7 and still count on seeing Ferguson, Hawk or Williams still on the board. We would have to get a sick amount of draft picks to move below those guys.

everything is pointing to the titans picking lienart at this point..........
best possible scenerio is the the titans moving up one to get him..........
but this won't happen til draft day if it does..........then, if that happens, and it only will happen if the titans think someone else is gonna grab him, the race might be on for qb's........and that race starts again at the #3 spot......................... :wink: smitty

I say they surprise everyone and select Mario Williams. They need that Javon Kearse type presence on their defense again. And I'll even say the Packers will select Vernon Davis.

1. Texans - Reggie Bush
2. Saints - Matt Leinart
3. Titans - Mario Williams
4. Jets - D'Brickashaw Ferguson
5. Packers - Vernon Davis

If there's a trade, #1 and #4 will switch positions but the players will be the same in those slots. There goes my top 5 mock draft. :crazy:

i dont really think the titans like cutler that much and i would have a hard time believing that they would take him at #3 anyway when he projected in alot of places to not even be in the top 10

You might very well be right. It just seems that people go crazy and take QBs WAY too high. I bet Chow likes Cutler more than VY. The smart move for them would be Williams or Ferguson, but I bet the McNair thing has them eager to get a new QB in place. QBs always go too high.

If that was the top 5, i'd crap a brick cause that means we could trade back TWICE to Oakland's spot, and still possibly get Hawk, if we made a couple of shifts.

1. Bush-Texans
2. Leinart-Jets
3. Mario-Titans
4. Oakland-Young
5. Pack-D'Brick(They have lost A LOT of O-lineman over thelast two years)
6. 49ers-Davis
7. Saints HAWK!!!!!!!!!! AND MORE PICKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jaworski's thoughts on Cutler.

Interesting stuff and seems to make it a closer question for the Titans.

http://www.nashvillecitypaper.com/in...&news_id=49208

Hey, I have no problem with throwing Cutler up there. The more guys possible for the top 5, the more we may be able to get AJ even if we trade down twice. Once for sure, unless our first trade is to like 8, then we could miss him.

I think that if Hawk lasts that long, the 49ers will pick him at #6.

I do. It has been very highly documented that there is a rift in the Titans organization about who to take at #3. The coaches love Leinart, and the FO loves Young. I think that if Leinart is there, they'd take him, but if he's gone, then the FO will get there way and snatch Vince.

I have a question, which you'll see reflected in my mock draft, if I can ever get the damn thing posted.

Why would the Jets trade up to the #2 spot? If they are going to trade up, wouldn't it make more sense to trade up to the #1, to get Martin's replacement?

I can't believe someone actually agrees with me. I've been saying that right there for the whole off season... and I'm sticking to it!

1. Texans - Reggie Bush
2. Titans - Matt Leinart
3. Raiders - Mario Williams
4. Jets- D'Brickashaw Ferguson
5. Packers - A.J. Hawk
6. San Fran - Vernon Davis
7. Saints - Michael Huff
wildcard is Raiders for sure.
1. Texans - Reggie Bush
2. Titans - Matt Leinart
3. Raiders - Vince Young
4. Jets - Mario Williams
5. Packers - A.J. Hawk
6. San Fran - Vernon Davis
7. Saints - D'Brickashaw Ferguson

Papz, I agree with you on the first 2 picks. I obviously see Bush going #1 like everyone else but I can see us taking Leinart and either trading him or holding onto him to see what happens with Brees. I think it is more likely that we draft Leinart and trade down as opposed to trading down before anyone is drafted at #2.

b/c i dont think they are willing to pay the price that houston would want for the top spot... they would most likely as for both first this year and their first next year... at least...

do we know what Houston is asking?

more then anyone is willing to pay

the jets pick is worth 1800 pts... htowns pick is 3000...so they would still have to make up 1200 pts... their first next year is worth 800 so htown might do it for the 4th overall a first next year and either a 2nd next year or early 2nd this year but i doubt it

Both #1(2440),2(550),3(235)= 3225 Just enough pt wise. but bush will cost a bit more, probly at least another 2 or 3 next year.
so both 1s, and 3 this year and a 1 next would do it. 3475 (475 = 11th pick in the second)
if the 800 holds, it's value 21st pick, should go higher than that.
Odds would be that houston could end up with 2 #1 picks in the top 15 next year.
Jets would have a 2, 3, and two 4s left for this year and no #1 next, but their hand is on the bush!

It would have to be Ricky Williams-esque... they've been pretty tight lipped there in H-town. Good poker face.

NFL Network's Adam Shefter reports there are "legitimate reasons" to believe the Texans will not draft Reggie Bush with the first pick of the NFL Draft.
Shefter cites multiple sources from inside and outside of Reggie Bush's camp that the Texans are more likely to draft Mario Williams or trade down. The Texans haven't approached Bush about a possible contract and key members of the organization didn't meet Bush when he was in town. This could be your typical pre-draft smokescreen, but Shefter was adamant this wasn't the case. Need-wise, it makes plenty of sense. Apr. 17 - 8:10 pm et

Time for them to see who's interested...

Let me see if I have this right then....

Mario Williams > Reggie Bush

but somehow

Mario Williams < Charles Grant?

Shefter's sources?

a man walks into a bar.....

One college player could be better than another college player. Grant is a proven NFL player. Next issue. Houston actually has no need for a RB. They could use a defender like Williams. Any other issue, i'd gladly clear them up for you. 8)

If Houston passes on Bush and we get the chance, good lord are we gonna have some calls...I really hope that happens...of course that's about as likely as hearing one of those mayoral candidates actually sound like they had a friggin clue

That pick is so expensive to jump up to, I doubt anyone can make it. I think we taught the world a lesson with our Ricky debacle. But I still think that gives us a better hand than Houston. And yeah, I don't think H-town needs a RB, but could you pass on someone like this? LT only more talented (if that's possible)?

Good question B&B. You have to think that replacing Martin has to be a priorty this draft. Haven't even thought of that.....but the real question is wether or not the Texans would be WILLING to trade away Reggie Bush.....hmmmm.

hawk won't last past green bay.... if he does he is DEFINITELY not getting past the 49ers who lost peterson and carter this offseason... i still think the best situation is to trade with the jets for #4 and #29 at least... i would also love to see skyler green in black and gold uniform also....

I will be glad when all this speculation is over i'm all drafted out if yeah know what I mean.

I need to understand something. Is your infatuation with Charles Grant or is it with all proven NFL players? Ernie Conwell is a proven NFL player. Does that make him better than Vernon Davis?

That makes no sense. Conwell blows, Grant is very very good. There is a good chance that Mario Williams will never live up to how good Charles Grant is. There's also a possibility that he'll become one of the best DEs ever to play the game. The point, I believe, that whodi is trying to make is that every player in the draft is a crap shoot. There's no guarantee that any of them will ever turn out to be anything in the NFL. That being said, a player like Charles Grant, has already proven that he can excel in the NFL. Grant is the sure thing, while Williams is the guy with a lot of upside, but some risk too.

and there is also a chance that grant wont be around next year either... he is in a contract year... and do you really think he wants to come back to NO... or even that the new coaching staff wants him around...

Good point Pak. It seems that with the old regime gone, Payton is slowly weeding out the remaining players from it. I would not be surprised if Grant were to go after this year.

Then do this for me, explain to me what makes him a "sure thing"? Is it the 10 sacks one year, or is the 3 sacks the next year? Is it the fact that he is a team leader or is it the fact that he disappears in games? I think Conwell is every bit as inconsistent as Grant. Conwell had 2 good seasons in St. Louis. Not much since. Conwell and Grant both had phenominal games in the opener versus Carolina, and i never heard from them thereafter. Are they really that different? All that being said, i hate Conwell...I like Grant...but i love to make you think that there are some similarities.

It's not that cut and dried. Like many have already stated. Grant is now in his contract year, just as Howard was a couple of years back. We may very well have a situation where we get nothing and Grant walks just as Howard did. No player on this team is indispensable, including Grant. It actually has not a lot to do with how good Mario Williams may or may not be, but more to do with the fact that we may need an adequate replacement to fill in for Charles Grant. And if we are getting a replacement for Grant, then I think Williams more than fits the bill. So trading Grant this year would be the time to do it, because we would have to franchise him after this season to trade him, which would put us at a huge disadvantage in bargaining.

Someone post ONE article where Charles Grant says he does not wanna be here next year. Just one. If you can't, you can push along with that BS "he may not be here next year" crap. We HAD the chance to trade Howard, we didn't. Howard MADE IT CLEAR WHEN WE FRANCHISED HIM, he did not want to be franchised, he did not want to play DT any more, and he did not want to be here. Guess what? We franchised him, made him play DT, and didn't trade him. The situations aren't even similar except they both play DE. If you can't find an article with grant saying he won't be here, it's simply stupid to keep saying "well, he might not be here." Ya know what, he might be here as well, and might wanna be here. I guess noone thought of that. :roll:

Well, maybe he does want to be here, and maybe the Saints want him here...but maybe, just maybe, he and his agent want to be paid like a top 10 DE like whodi thinks he is...but Mr. Benson and Mr. Loomis think he is only a top25 DE and they cant come together on the money. Then he walks for nothing. Not because he didnt want to be here, but because of a difference of opinion...(MONEY)

Now i guess whodi will say "Charles Grant doesnt play the game for money, he plays for pride!"

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