Mario Williams

BlackandBlue · 04-20-2006, 12:45 PM

yeah, me and my friends were talking about what a physical speciman this guy was last year when they were assessing last years DE class right before the draft. I remember distinctly, my buddy Charlie turning to me and saying, "Have you seen that kid from NC State? I swear, if he could get up enough speed, he could get airborn with that wingspan....."

saintswhodi · 04-20-2006, 12:51 PM

You mean you were all up on a guy who had 5 and then 6 sacks in consecutive years? Kudos. I never heard of the chump.

BlackandBlue · 04-20-2006, 01:29 PM

don't think i commented anywhere in my post, regarding his performance.

me and my friends were talking about what a physical speciman this guy was last year

reading comprehension is good

saintswhodi · 04-20-2006, 01:31 PM

Yes, reading comprehension is good. :P SOMETHING must have brought the guy to your attention. I am pointing out that surely it wasnt his stats. See? I actually can not fathom where anyone would have seen or heard of this guy unless they were a fan of a team in the conference, wnet to school, ot the team they support played him. I mean, I bet there are hundreds of guys who play college football who are physical specimens. What made this guy stand out. All I was saying is it certainly wasn't his stats.

BlackandBlue · 04-20-2006, 01:38 PM

you are correct, it wasn't his stats. it was more like 6'7", 295, enough strength to bulldoze lineman 30 pounds heavier than him, quick first step, his impressive moves, outstanding outside rush, 40" vert, 4.6/40. But, I don't think anyone talked stats, then again, he lined up enough times at DT, that it could have hurt him from a statistical point of view. Would you agree to that?

saintswhodi · 04-20-2006, 01:49 PM

No, I can't agree to that. First, the only time you could have seen his impressive moves was against inferior teams, cause he completely disappeared against any good competition. Second, with only 6 sacks in the time you said you noticed him, which would have been before last year as you said, he couldn't have bulldozed too many linemen or had toooutstanding an outside rush or had too much of anything really. 6 sacks? Last, they didn't line him up at DT enough tohave him blanked by any above average team. So no, I still don't see it, but that's just me. It he was on an All American list though, although I can't see how, I could see that.

BlackandBlue · 04-20-2006, 01:56 PM

See, you're putting words into my mouth. I never saw footage of the guy until this year. From what I saw this year, the guy looks impressive.
The information I received last year was from the circle of friends that I talk to on a personal level about football and prospects. The conversation started over a comment I made about the DE group being low in talent, compared to other recent classes. My friend Charlie was the one that brought up Mario, and that was the first time I had heard of the guy. He told me to watch out for this guy next year, as he would more than make up for the lack of talent I noticed in the previous draft class. I asked more questions about him, and that's when he started telling me about his measurables.

saintswhodi · 04-20-2006, 02:02 PM

Oh oh oh oh oh, okay, I see now. i wasn't getting the whole picture. My bad. Okay, so even with that, he still disappeared in ALL the big games against above average competition, AND I looked it up, besides one 5 sack game by the team aginst better competition, their sack totals were no better as a teamin these games, meaning Mario did not create a significant amount of disruption to gain an advantage for the other players on their defense. That's a red flag to me, on both points. But you know who else was a physical specimen in college AND the pros at DE? Alonzo Spellman. Remember him? Crazy dude that played for the Bears and the Cowboys? Complete bust.

BlackandBlue · 04-20-2006, 02:17 PM

Good point.

It should also be noted that NCStates strongest group on the team was the front seven on defense, so stating that his impact could have been lessened due to double teams would be a weak argument.

Still like the guy. I know my previous comment deters from my point of view, but it doesn't help to not have all the information at the table, either.

saintswhodi · 04-20-2006, 02:28 PM

True, but just start calling him Alonzo Spellman and you'll feel better.

04-20-2006, 01:29 PM	#13
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	don't think i commented anywhere in my post, regarding his performance. me and my friends were talking about what a physical speciman this guy was last year reading comprehension is good

04-20-2006, 01:56 PM	#17
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	See, you're putting words into my mouth. I never saw footage of the guy until this year. From what I saw this year, the guy looks impressive. The information I received last year was from the circle of friends that I talk to on a personal level about football and prospects. The conversation started over a comment I made about the DE group being low in talent, compared to other recent classes. My friend Charlie was the one that brought up Mario, and that was the first time I had heard of the guy. He told me to watch out for this guy next year, as he would more than make up for the lack of talent I noticed in the previous draft class. I asked more questions about him, and that's when he started telling me about his measurables.
	The waiting drove me mad.... I don't want to hear from those that know... Everything has changed, absolutely nothing's changed Eddie is a....draftnik?

04-20-2006, 12:45 PM	#11
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	yeah, me and my friends were talking about what a physical speciman this guy was last year when they were assessing last years DE class right before the draft. I remember distinctly, my buddy Charlie turning to me and saying, "Have you seen that kid from NC State? I swear, if he could get up enough speed, he could get airborn with that wingspan....."

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04-20-2006, 12:51 PM	#12
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	You mean you were all up on a guy who had 5 and then 6 sacks in consecutive years? Kudos. I never heard of the chump.

04-20-2006, 01:31 PM	#14
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Yes, reading comprehension is good. :P SOMETHING must have brought the guy to your attention. I am pointing out that surely it wasnt his stats. See? I actually can not fathom where anyone would have seen or heard of this guy unless they were a fan of a team in the conference, wnet to school, ot the team they support played him. I mean, I bet there are hundreds of guys who play college football who are physical specimens. What made this guy stand out. All I was saying is it certainly wasn't his stats.

04-20-2006, 01:38 PM	#15
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	you are correct, it wasn't his stats. it was more like 6'7", 295, enough strength to bulldoze lineman 30 pounds heavier than him, quick first step, his impressive moves, outstanding outside rush, 40" vert, 4.6/40. But, I don't think anyone talked stats, then again, he lined up enough times at DT, that it could have hurt him from a statistical point of view. Would you agree to that?

04-20-2006, 01:49 PM	#16
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	No, I can't agree to that. First, the only time you could have seen his impressive moves was against inferior teams, cause he completely disappeared against any good competition. Second, with only 6 sacks in the time you said you noticed him, which would have been before last year as you said, he couldn't have bulldozed too many linemen or had toooutstanding an outside rush or had too much of anything really. 6 sacks? Last, they didn't line him up at DT enough tohave him blanked by any above average team. So no, I still don't see it, but that's just me. It he was on an All American list though, although I can't see how, I could see that.

04-20-2006, 02:02 PM	#18
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Oh oh oh oh oh, okay, I see now. i wasn't getting the whole picture. My bad. Okay, so even with that, he still disappeared in ALL the big games against above average competition, AND I looked it up, besides one 5 sack game by the team aginst better competition, their sack totals were no better as a teamin these games, meaning Mario did not create a significant amount of disruption to gain an advantage for the other players on their defense. That's a red flag to me, on both points. But you know who else was a physical specimen in college AND the pros at DE? Alonzo Spellman. Remember him? Crazy dude that played for the Bears and the Cowboys? Complete bust.

04-20-2006, 02:17 PM	#19
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	Good point. It should also be noted that NCStates strongest group on the team was the front seven on defense, so stating that his impact could have been lessened due to double teams would be a weak argument. Still like the guy. I know my previous comment deters from my point of view, but it doesn't help to not have all the information at the table, either.

04-20-2006, 02:28 PM	#20
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	True, but just start calling him Alonzo Spellman and you'll feel better.