Mario Williams

saintswhodi · 04-21-2006, 03:13 PM

Originally Posted by pakowitz

um, what? Air McNair was on the verge of setting or breaking NUMEROUS college passing and total yardage records when he came out. Don't sully the man's name by comparing him to Mario Williams. That's an insult.

that maybe true but that doesnt mean he was well known before the draft or the combine... i remember askin myself who the hell steve mcnair was....

Wait, wait wait, you knew who Mario Willaims was, but didn't know who McNair was? And you say you follow college football? I'm done.

BlackandBlue · 04-21-2006, 03:21 PM

who said he was as into evaluating draft classes back in 1995, like he is now? that was 11 years ago....

saintswhodi · 04-21-2006, 03:32 PM

Originally Posted by BlackandBlue

who said he was as into evaluating draft classes back in 1995, like he is now? that was 11 years ago....

Noone did. But that's not my point. Someone who says they follow college football, would know who Steve McNair was going into the draft, whether you "evaluated" it or not. When Steve McNair came out, I wasn't on the internet, and didn't know many people who were. But I knew who Steve McNair was. Now even having the internet and following college football even closer, I had no idea who Mario was. Steve McNair was breaking NCAA RECORDS in his college career, and someone doesn't know who that guy is, but knows who some one year wonder who wasn't close to breaking anything is? I just find that hard to believe. Call me naive.

pakowitz · 04-21-2006, 03:38 PM

ok... 11 years ago i was 13... give me a break...

BlackandBlue · 04-21-2006, 03:40 PM

LOL

damn youngins

saintswhodi · 04-21-2006, 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by pakowitz

ok... 11 years ago i was 13... give me a break...

Okay, but then, how does that qualify you to make a statement like

that maybe true but that doesnt mean he was well known before the draft or the combine... i remember askin myself who the hell steve mcnair was....

If you asked yourself who McNair was, you were obviously into the draft, 13 or not, and there had to be some players you knew, right? I was gonna give a pass on you being 13, but since you openly questioned yourself about McNair at such an age, you were advanced enough to have known who he was.

BlackandBlue · 04-21-2006, 03:46 PM

whodi, that makes no sense. he could have seen McNair's name anywhere, and been like, "who is this guy???" Steve was selected 3rd overall, and the Oilers were very vocal about their intentions to bench him his entire first year, which was rarely heard of up to that point.

saintswhodi · 04-21-2006, 03:53 PM

Wait, how does that make no sense? We were talking about a player being drafted, and who was or wasn't heard of before the draft. Also, Alcorn State plays in the same conference as Southern and Grambling. Obviously by saying he had not heard of McNair before the draft or combine, he asked himself who he was after the draft or combine. If he heard of him before that, he would not have asked himself "Who is McNair" after the draft or combine. Seems pretty simple to me.

pakowitz · 04-21-2006, 03:55 PM

b/c i believe i watched the draft for the first time in that year and i had known some of the other guys but had never heard of mcnair.. or alcorn state for that matter...

saintswhodi · 04-21-2006, 04:04 PM

Originally Posted by pakowitz

b/c i believe i watched the draft for the first time in that year and i had known some of the other guys but had never heard of mcnair.. or alcorn state for that matter...

Wait, so this was your first draft ever? Is it any wonder why you may not have heard of Steve McNair? I disqualify your previous statement about McNair. The defense rests.

And did you not know of Southern and Grambling? Well, if you aren't from Louisiana, that one I could see. But if you did know of them, you know they played Alcorn, and that also would have let you know who McNair was. Maybe that's why I knew him. Either way, I just don't see how a guy like Steve McNair could have been called unknown. Again, call me naive.

04-21-2006, 03:13 PM	#31
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Originally Posted by pakowitz um, what? Air McNair was on the verge of setting or breaking NUMEROUS college passing and total yardage records when he came out. Don't sully the man's name by comparing him to Mario Williams. That's an insult. that maybe true but that doesnt mean he was well known before the draft or the combine... i remember askin myself who the hell steve mcnair was.... Wait, wait wait, you knew who Mario Willaims was, but didn't know who McNair was? And you say you follow college football? I'm done.

04-21-2006, 03:32 PM	#33
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Originally Posted by BlackandBlue who said he was as into evaluating draft classes back in 1995, like he is now? that was 11 years ago.... Noone did. But that's not my point. Someone who says they follow college football, would know who Steve McNair was going into the draft, whether you "evaluated" it or not. When Steve McNair came out, I wasn't on the internet, and didn't know many people who were. But I knew who Steve McNair was. Now even having the internet and following college football even closer, I had no idea who Mario was. Steve McNair was breaking NCAA RECORDS in his college career, and someone doesn't know who that guy is, but knows who some one year wonder who wasn't close to breaking anything is? I just find that hard to believe. Call me naive.

04-21-2006, 03:42 PM	#36
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Originally Posted by pakowitz ok... 11 years ago i was 13... give me a break... Okay, but then, how does that qualify you to make a statement like that maybe true but that doesnt mean he was well known before the draft or the combine... i remember askin myself who the hell steve mcnair was.... If you asked yourself who McNair was, you were obviously into the draft, 13 or not, and there had to be some players you knew, right? I was gonna give a pass on you being 13, but since you openly questioned yourself about McNair at such an age, you were advanced enough to have known who he was.

04-21-2006, 04:04 PM	#40
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Originally Posted by pakowitz b/c i believe i watched the draft for the first time in that year and i had known some of the other guys but had never heard of mcnair.. or alcorn state for that matter... Wait, so this was your first draft ever? Is it any wonder why you may not have heard of Steve McNair? I disqualify your previous statement about McNair. The defense rests. And did you not know of Southern and Grambling? Well, if you aren't from Louisiana, that one I could see. But if you did know of them, you know they played Alcorn, and that also would have let you know who McNair was. Maybe that's why I knew him. Either way, I just don't see how a guy like Steve McNair could have been called unknown. Again, call me naive.

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04-21-2006, 03:21 PM	#32
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	who said he was as into evaluating draft classes back in 1995, like he is now? that was 11 years ago....

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pakowitz The Dark Overlord Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,450	ok... 11 years ago i was 13... give me a break...

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BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	LOL damn youngins

04-21-2006, 03:46 PM	#37
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	whodi, that makes no sense. he could have seen McNair's name anywhere, and been like, "who is this guy???" Steve was selected 3rd overall, and the Oilers were very vocal about their intentions to bench him his entire first year, which was rarely heard of up to that point.

04-21-2006, 03:53 PM	#38
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Wait, how does that make no sense? We were talking about a player being drafted, and who was or wasn't heard of before the draft. Also, Alcorn State plays in the same conference as Southern and Grambling. Obviously by saying he had not heard of McNair before the draft or combine, he asked himself who he was after the draft or combine. If he heard of him before that, he would not have asked himself "Who is McNair" after the draft or combine. Seems pretty simple to me.

04-21-2006, 03:55 PM	#39
pakowitz The Dark Overlord Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,450	b/c i believe i watched the draft for the first time in that year and i had known some of the other guys but had never heard of mcnair.. or alcorn state for that matter...