Why not take Hawk at #2?
 

Hey guys, I know everyone thinks that drafting Hawk at #2 is a mistake. But, if we can't get value for the pick. Why Not? Our linebackers from last year were all horrible except for Buckholdt. The veterans we signed in the offseason were adequate for the short term, but they are not game changers. They are vets we took fliers on hoping we strike gold like New England did in 2001. If you look at the recent LB's that slid in the draft, the same arguments were being made then about not taking linebackers so high. Why not be ahead of the curve for once and see that linebackers are coming back into vogue. (like the 80's)

Hawk is much better than Williams, period. He is a starter from day one and establishes an identity for the defense immediately. Above all, he has never been called "lazy" or accused of taking plays "off". He will be a stud in this leauge immediately. If you don't stop the run and force teams into passing situations, does it really matter how fast someone can get to the QB?

It's time we went back to our roots as an organization and rebuild the defense into a feared unit.

RE: Why not take Hawk at #2?
 

He's ok, but he's no Chad Greenway. #2 is too much for a guy who's basically interchangable.

Re: Why not take Hawk at #2?
 

You sir, get the post of the day award. :clap:

You know, even if he is not a "stud" right away, he does bring the biggest upgrade to our team. I know a lot of you like Bockwoldt, probably because he was a 7th round pick that turned into something...and some of you probably like him because he is white. I think adding Hawk and sitting Bockwoldt is a HUGE improvement for the Saints. I dont think there is another team in the league that Bockwoldt would start for. We have had the worst LB corp in the league for years and it cannot be ignored when you have a talent like Hawk available for the taking.

I don't get the "he's good enough to take at 4, but not 2" argument. We NEED a play making LB way more than another DE. Period.

So what if he asks for a little bit more money because he went second over fourth. What are we saving for? To choose high in the next draft?

Quit trying to steal the man's award. It's gone already. :lol:

I WANT IT!!!! And i want YOU to give it to me...what a drastic turn of events that would be.

Just for the irony, I will hand out a second award, to you. And a third to LSU Jeremy, cause I have been trying to make the same point for a while, how is he okay at 4, but a reach at 2? Hell, awards all around. :D

Thanks...but on a different note...as the draft gets closer, i figured i would be getting more excited about it...but as it turns out, i am starting to get worried because i dont think the Saints are going to do the right thing...if someone could please lend a hand in making me feel like its going to be a good day...i would appreciate it.

Guys, there is still so many things that could happen over the next few days that could make all of this irrelevant. I just think that if it comes down to it, and we don't get an offer that would allow us to still get our man, why not just do it and go on down the road.

By the way, it's an honor to get the post of the day.

Don't do it to me man. don't do it. Just don't. I am as excited as I can remember, don't ruin it for me. Purge that post!!!!!

Not the response i was looking for..especially from you whodi...i was hoping for a "Don't worry, Payton knows what he wants...he is confident he can make the offense work under his system and he wants to give Gary Gibbs all he needs to make the defense work. Its going to be fine."

But you went the other route. I guess i will just go back to trying to convince myself.

For a guy fighting the 20 something years of Saints drafts I have in my own mind, I am barely holding on. Sorry bro, unless some else has out the pom poms, you're on your own. I am not gonna let anything ruin my high about this draft. We'll see if Saturday keeps it a high.

But it can be if you can get the better player (Chad Greenway) by trading down.... #2 is TOO high.

I am going to hold out hope that this is going to be a good day for the Saints. I have my friends coming over...we got the beer and the food for a day of celebration...it is going to be a doozie...we get our choice of anybody we want except for Reggie Bush...kind of hard to mess that up.

2, 4, 9, 1...it don't matter where we pick....get HAWK!! Who is this Greenway fellow??

Hmmm...I just watch some clips of Hawk taking down Vince Young...the elusive Vince Young. How could we not want this dude?

Nice posts, guys. I don't care if we take Hawk at #2 or #4 or wherever, as long as we get him. He will be a playmaker for this defense for years to come. I know some people will say that #2 is too high for a LB & that we'll have to pay too much at that spot, but I think he'll be worth every penny he makes as a pro.

-Feel free wheelman & goldrush to chime in at any minute to tell us how that's too much to spend on a LB & how good LB's are a dime a dozen nowadays in the NFL. :D LOL

IMHO, the majority of the "elite" heading into the draft are deserving of a #2 pick overall, but that's just me. Having said that, I'd only be content if we drafted Hawk, Ferguson, Bush, Leinart, or Cutler at that position. And I'm with you, ghandi. If linebackers in the NFL are a dime a dozen nowadays, then why haven't the Saints linebacking corps had someone with a good season since Charlie Cleamons?

I never said anything about paying too much money. I would have loved it if we signed Arrington, no matter the contract. He just flat did not want to play for our franchise, even if we had offered the money. And I don't buy the argument that we never contacted him. I'm sure every team that could afford him made an inquiry about his services.

That being said, take Hawk where ever you can get him. Talents like him only come along every few years.

I'm just breaking your balls wheelman. I tend to be a smart ass at times. No offense.

-Now go fix yourself a damn sammich!!!!! :D

I think we need to draft hawk but not to replace Colby we need to draft him to play on the other side of Colby. Colby was our best linebacker last year he had 90+ tackles besides he is always around the play he works hard. Also he was a round 7 pick who became our starter and if we are going to draft hawk why not replace a line backer who is not getting it done (WATSON)

I disagree with you here. Yes, he had the most tackles on the team, but that wasn't because he was the best linebacker. He was the only guy who could stay healthy for the whole season, so I guess that says something. But, if Watson and Allen would have been healthy, Bockwoldt never would have seen the field. Nor should he this year. He takes bad angles, misses way too many tackles, and IMO, only gets all of this praise because he's a 7th round pick. People see him as a good story. But in reality, he's just not very good. I think right now, with Watson and James Allen healthy, Bockwoldt is our fifth best linebacker. If we don't draft Hawk and Simmons has to play in the middle, then I think we'll see Fujita and Allen/Watson on the outside. I've said this a million times: Bockwoldt is a good story, but he wouldn't start on any other team in the league.

First Colby is replacing Watson. Do not give up on Watson just yet he has trade value. He is better of at WLB he is learning the MLB.
Second Haz never could help but play LB out of the natural position. We are loaded at WLB backups.
Third in a 34 he is the inside weak LB. In the 43 he is better suited for the WLB position. He can play MLB but it is not his stronge suite. Back up at SLB is needed also.
I am all for throwing that stupid $ value chart governed by position out of the window and take him at 2. I would perfer to trade down a bit to get a 3 but if not take him anyways.
With this draft being the year of the LB I say use #32 trade down a bit and get Hodge. Then Offense with rest of the way with a DT. Some good DT back ups with size (6-4 6-5) can be had in the 5,6 or even the 7th.

Thanks for backing me up on that one...i think we tend to fool ourselves into thinking that some of our players are better than they really are. Colby is the prime example of that. He is a great story, but fact of the matter is...he is starting for the weakest group of LB's in the league and i dont think he would even make any other team's final 53 man roster. I know you all would blast me for it...but i tend to want to put Zach Hilton in the same category...but i will give him one more shot.

Don't you diss Zach!!!! :evil:

But I agree on Colby. Anywhere else, he's special teams only all the way.

I respect your opinions but i disagree I think colby is a good LB. As far as the other LB not staying healthy that does not say much because he was starting ahead of them when they were healthy. However we need to draft Hawk even if he does take Colby's job we need the best players on the field whoever they are.

I respect all of your opinions, but with the new coaching staff they will put the best 3 or 4 LB out there. Be it Colby, watson whoever. hey that's the best thing about a new staff.

I think that respecting everybodies opinions is very respectable and I respect that. :jester:

Respecting opinions is for wussies. :wink:

I respect your lack of respect whodi. :D

Wuss. :lol: :wink:

I respect them unless they're unfounded. Like wishfull thinking.

In retrospect...I don't respect any of you guys' opinions. My opinion is definately the most respectable. :nutkick:

I can respect that. Is this thread done. I feel like it is.

:popcorn:

Why not take Hawk at #2?

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2006/football/...p/p1_mario.jpg
The Immortal Mario Williams, a man we can all respect.

You can't go by that. You know the camera adds ten pounds of muscle.

I would rather see a guy doing this for our defense.....

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than this.....

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2006/football/...p/p1_mario.jpg

That's just me, though. :D :D :D

PWNED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! hahahaha