Why not take Hawk at #2?

HOUSTONSAINT · 04-25-2006, 01:30 PM

Hey guys, I know everyone thinks that drafting Hawk at #2 is a mistake. But, if we can't get value for the pick. Why Not? Our linebackers from last year were all horrible except for Buckholdt. The veterans we signed in the offseason were adequate for the short term, but they are not game changers. They are vets we took fliers on hoping we strike gold like New England did in 2001. If you look at the recent LB's that slid in the draft, the same arguments were being made then about not taking linebackers so high. Why not be ahead of the curve for once and see that linebackers are coming back into vogue. (like the 80's)

Hawk is much better than Williams, period. He is a starter from day one and establishes an identity for the defense immediately. Above all, he has never been called "lazy" or accused of taking plays "off". He will be a stud in this leauge immediately. If you don't stop the run and force teams into passing situations, does it really matter how fast someone can get to the QB?

It's time we went back to our roots as an organization and rebuild the defense into a feared unit.

BrooksMustGo · 04-25-2006, 01:38 PM

He's ok, but he's no Chad Greenway. #2 is too much for a guy who's basically interchangable.

saintswhodi · 04-25-2006, 01:44 PM

Originally Posted by HOUSTONSAINT

Hey guys, I know everyone thinks that drafting Hawk at #2 is a mistake. But, if we can't get value for the pick. Why Not? Our linebackers from last year were all horrible except for Buckholdt. The veterans we signed in the offseason were adequate for the short term, but they are not game changers. They are vets we took fliers on hoping we strike gold like New England did in 2001. If you look at the recent LB's that slid in the draft, the same arguments were being made then about not taking linebackers so high. Why not be ahead of the curve for once and see that linebackers are coming back into vogue. (like the 80's)

Hawk is much better than Williams, period. He is a starter from day one and establishes an identity for the defense immediately. Above all, he has never been called "lazy" or accused of taking plays "off". He will be a stud in this leauge immediately. If you don't stop the run and force teams into passing situations, does it really matter how fast someone can get to the QB?

It's time we went back to our roots as an organization and rebuild the defense into a feared unit.

You sir, get the post of the day award.

JimBone · 04-25-2006, 01:48 PM

You know, even if he is not a "stud" right away, he does bring the biggest upgrade to our team. I know a lot of you like Bockwoldt, probably because he was a 7th round pick that turned into something...and some of you probably like him because he is white. I think adding Hawk and sitting Bockwoldt is a HUGE improvement for the Saints. I dont think there is another team in the league that Bockwoldt would start for. We have had the worst LB corp in the league for years and it cannot be ignored when you have a talent like Hawk available for the taking.

LSUJeremy · 04-25-2006, 01:52 PM

I don't get the "he's good enough to take at 4, but not 2" argument. We NEED a play making LB way more than another DE. Period.

So what if he asks for a little bit more money because he went second over fourth. What are we saving for? To choose high in the next draft?

saintswhodi · 04-25-2006, 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by JimBone

You know, even if he is not a "stud" right away, he does bring the biggest upgrade to our team. I know a lot of you like Bockwoldt, probably because he was a 7th round pick that turned into something...and some of you probably like him because he is white. I think adding Hawk and sitting Bockwoldt is a HUGE improvement for the Saints. I dont think there is another team in the league that Bockwoldt would start for. We have had the worst LB corp in the league for years and it cannot be ignored when you have a talent like Hawk available for the taking.

Quit trying to steal the man's award. It's gone already.

JimBone · 04-25-2006, 01:53 PM

I WANT IT!!!! And i want YOU to give it to me...what a drastic turn of events that would be.

saintswhodi · 04-25-2006, 01:56 PM

Originally Posted by JimBone

I WANT IT!!!! And i want YOU to give it to me...what a drastic turn of events that would be.

Just for the irony, I will hand out a second award, to you. And a third to LSU Jeremy, cause I have been trying to make the same point for a while, how is he okay at 4, but a reach at 2? Hell, awards all around.

JimBone · 04-25-2006, 01:59 PM

Thanks...but on a different note...as the draft gets closer, i figured i would be getting more excited about it...but as it turns out, i am starting to get worried because i dont think the Saints are going to do the right thing...if someone could please lend a hand in making me feel like its going to be a good day...i would appreciate it.

HOUSTONSAINT · 04-25-2006, 02:04 PM

Guys, there is still so many things that could happen over the next few days that could make all of this irrelevant. I just think that if it comes down to it, and we don't get an offer that would allow us to still get our man, why not just do it and go on down the road.

By the way, it's an honor to get the post of the day.

04-25-2006, 01:30 PM	#1
HOUSTONSAINT Rookie Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 12	Why not take Hawk at #2? Hey guys, I know everyone thinks that drafting Hawk at #2 is a mistake. But, if we can't get value for the pick. Why Not? Our linebackers from last year were all horrible except for Buckholdt. The veterans we signed in the offseason were adequate for the short term, but they are not game changers. They are vets we took fliers on hoping we strike gold like New England did in 2001. If you look at the recent LB's that slid in the draft, the same arguments were being made then about not taking linebackers so high. Why not be ahead of the curve for once and see that linebackers are coming back into vogue. (like the 80's) Hawk is much better than Williams, period. He is a starter from day one and establishes an identity for the defense immediately. Above all, he has never been called "lazy" or accused of taking plays "off". He will be a stud in this leauge immediately. If you don't stop the run and force teams into passing situations, does it really matter how fast someone can get to the QB? It's time we went back to our roots as an organization and rebuild the defense into a feared unit.
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04-25-2006, 01:44 PM	#3
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Re: Why not take Hawk at #2? Originally Posted by HOUSTONSAINT Hey guys, I know everyone thinks that drafting Hawk at #2 is a mistake. But, if we can't get value for the pick. Why Not? Our linebackers from last year were all horrible except for Buckholdt. The veterans we signed in the offseason were adequate for the short term, but they are not game changers. They are vets we took fliers on hoping we strike gold like New England did in 2001. If you look at the recent LB's that slid in the draft, the same arguments were being made then about not taking linebackers so high. Why not be ahead of the curve for once and see that linebackers are coming back into vogue. (like the 80's) Hawk is much better than Williams, period. He is a starter from day one and establishes an identity for the defense immediately. Above all, he has never been called "lazy" or accused of taking plays "off". He will be a stud in this leauge immediately. If you don't stop the run and force teams into passing situations, does it really matter how fast someone can get to the QB? It's time we went back to our roots as an organization and rebuild the defense into a feared unit. You sir, get the post of the day award.

04-25-2006, 01:48 PM	#4
JimBone 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Thibodaux, La Posts: 614	You know, even if he is not a "stud" right away, he does bring the biggest upgrade to our team. I know a lot of you like Bockwoldt, probably because he was a 7th round pick that turned into something...and some of you probably like him because he is white. I think adding Hawk and sitting Bockwoldt is a HUGE improvement for the Saints. I dont think there is another team in the league that Bockwoldt would start for. We have had the worst LB corp in the league for years and it cannot be ignored when you have a talent like Hawk available for the taking.
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04-25-2006, 01:52 PM	#5
LSUJeremy 100th Post Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 472	I don't get the "he's good enough to take at 4, but not 2" argument. We NEED a play making LB way more than another DE. Period. So what if he asks for a little bit more money because he went second over fourth. What are we saving for? To choose high in the next draft?
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04-25-2006, 01:52 PM	#6
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Originally Posted by JimBone You know, even if he is not a "stud" right away, he does bring the biggest upgrade to our team. I know a lot of you like Bockwoldt, probably because he was a 7th round pick that turned into something...and some of you probably like him because he is white. I think adding Hawk and sitting Bockwoldt is a HUGE improvement for the Saints. I dont think there is another team in the league that Bockwoldt would start for. We have had the worst LB corp in the league for years and it cannot be ignored when you have a talent like Hawk available for the taking. Quit trying to steal the man's award. It's gone already.

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04-25-2006, 01:38 PM	#2
BrooksMustGo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,762	RE: Why not take Hawk at #2? He's ok, but he's no Chad Greenway. #2 is too much for a guy who's basically interchangable.

04-25-2006, 01:53 PM	#7
JimBone 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Thibodaux, La Posts: 614	I WANT IT!!!! And i want YOU to give it to me...what a drastic turn of events that would be.

04-25-2006, 01:56 PM	#8
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Originally Posted by JimBone I WANT IT!!!! And i want YOU to give it to me...what a drastic turn of events that would be. Just for the irony, I will hand out a second award, to you. And a third to LSU Jeremy, cause I have been trying to make the same point for a while, how is he okay at 4, but a reach at 2? Hell, awards all around.

04-25-2006, 01:59 PM	#9
JimBone 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Thibodaux, La Posts: 614	Thanks...but on a different note...as the draft gets closer, i figured i would be getting more excited about it...but as it turns out, i am starting to get worried because i dont think the Saints are going to do the right thing...if someone could please lend a hand in making me feel like its going to be a good day...i would appreciate it.

04-25-2006, 02:04 PM	#10
HOUSTONSAINT Rookie Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 12	Guys, there is still so many things that could happen over the next few days that could make all of this irrelevant. I just think that if it comes down to it, and we don't get an offer that would allow us to still get our man, why not just do it and go on down the road. By the way, it's an honor to get the post of the day.
HOUSTONSAINT Rookie Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 12