Stallworth Jacksonville
 

The door hasn't hit Smith yet and they are filling his shoes...

The first and their best option would be to swing a trade for the Saints' Donte' Stallworth. Stallworth is tired of walking in the shadow of Joe Horn and is coming off a career season with 70 receptions, 945 yards and seven touchdowns. He wants to be a No. 1 receiver, and in Jacksonville he would be that once he learned the nuances of the offense.

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lessee...
send Sullivan with him for Marcus Stroud

Detroit anyone?

from KFFL-

Lions | Rogers or Williams could be gone
Fri, 12 May 2006 09:17:41 -0700

Tom Kowalski, of mLive.com, reports the Detroit Lions could part with either WR Charles Rogers or WR Mike Williams before the regular season.

A lot of us liked Williams coming out of USC.

RE: Stallworth Jacksonville
 

they dont have anything on that team thats really of value i consider stallworth because he started to come into his own at the end of the season

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sorry i consider stallworth a #1

i would like to see him stay fo sho, preferrably extended. if he does have to go it would be nice to see a good return though.

I think most of you are in love with Stallworth's ability as opposed to his production. He is not a number 1...not saying he never will be, but he hasnt shown it consistently enough yet. You look at his stats from game to game...you show me where he has had back to back good games...it hasnt happened...you point out to me where he has had back to back games where he has had 70 yards receiving or more in the last 3 years.

He's still a little inconsistent, but he has spent his entire career under Jim Haslett and his coaches. I think that with some good coaching and maybe a little improved technique, Stallworth might be a star. We all know he's got unbelievable athletic ability, so just imagine if he could just put it all together.

And you're right Kelley, if he is going to leave, getting a nice defender from JAX would be a nice consolation prize, especially one of those big DTs (but it would never happen).

It's hard for me to call any reciever we have inconsistant when they had the King of inconsistancy throwing to them. Let's see what they can do with someone else before we get rid of them.

Agree with Joe Sam.

Let's wait and see what happens when he gets the ball thrown in front of him.

Excellent point. Lets see what Brees can do.

I hope we keep Stallworth but if we get rid of him for God's sake let it be CB, LB or DT.

I like Stroud in a Jacksonville trade.

Bye Bye Donte. Fell hard off that band wagon 2 years ago. Henerdson has one more year if that. So far both are not worth the draft round money they were taken in. Sully owes money to. Watson and Jon is in the group also. They all should give back some of the pay checks each week on principle alone. Or at least work for free for half a year.

well if we are going to let donte go lets at least get something for him. something decent

Picks please not Garbage. Donte is worth a 3 at least on hype and potiental alone. Well what is still left over from when we drafted him. But I would settle for a 4 or a back up player in last year of their contract for the special teams and a 5.

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I like the deal, but I would prefer Henderson (though both are good).

If we make a deal with Jacksonville to trade Stallworth, I wouldn't mind picking up another ex-USC stud. I say ney on Rogers though.

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plus what pick for them to take sully and give up Marcus?

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Nothing... seeing how they just gave Henderson a fat extension and Stroud had one last year. Franchise DT's are hard to come by and I couldn't ever seeing them part with those two... at least for the next 3 years. What they're looking for and what we're asking for probably will never work. Screw this Stallworth to Jacksonville stuff... I want him to remain here and become that #1 after Joe leaves.

I guess you have to start believing all the rumors if they never go away. I think by the time the season rolls around, Stallworth will be gone.

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Hey Papz.....what about your boy, Chase Lyman? :D

Stall will stud out with a REAL QB and REAL leader under center. But as I said yesterday, his value may be pretty high to a few teams out there. If we get something real good for him, I could begrudgingly see him leave. I bet if he goes to any team with a decent QB though we will regret. I watched a Saints year in review from 2002 when he was a rookie, and Stallworth is a STUD. Too bad his QB had regressed for 3 straight years causing people to lose favor with him.

Yeah....Brees will make Stall look great..and vice versa....
Let's not kick the kid to the curb just yet...

I agree Whodi. Though, Stallworth could be the stud WR we all think he can, his trade value may be too high to pass up right now. Every analyst that I have seen so far sais Stallworth is the best WR on the trading block. Like I said yesterday, teams may be willing to give up alot more than we 1st thought for his services.

Being the best receiver on the trading block doesnt necessarily mean you are a stud. I say he has to be "on the block" for a reason.

Randy Moss was on the block. And Terrell Owens. And Peerless Prive when he WAS a stud in Buffalo. And Eric Moulds. And David Boston(pre-steroids fall off). And Jerry Rice(when he first left San Fran and Oakland went to the Superbowl). And Santana Moss. And Laverneus Coles. And Javon Walker. Etc. Etc. Etc. Teams feel wide receivers are expendable, no matter how good you are. In Oewns case, that was the case of him being a complete ass. Stallworth is and will be a stud. Seriously, give this guy a chance with Brees before we throw him under the bus, EXCEPT if we get a real good offer. Anyone questioning Stallworth I would advise to watch the NFL networks showing of the Saints 2002 season, his rookie year. How does he come in as a rookie stud with 8TDs, and regress? Well, seems the coaching and the QB regressed around him.

I'll reiterate that I do think he could have a bust out year with brees at the helm also. As much as I think that I also believe he must be extended if he stays. Otherwise you face the difficulties of franchising or just seeing another stud disappear with no return on the investment at all. If not re-upped then get a sorely needed defensive player or a top pick. With Walker commanding a 2nd rounder I think that establishes the market for him too. With the dwindling supply vs. more demand for top wideouts that should only go higher.

On the thought of what improvement will be had thinking of Brees accuracy vs. what the receivers had in the past...
It should be a big year for Joe if he stays healthy. The more i have read on Hass the more I believe he could be one of the biggest rookie stories of the coming season if the situation opened up for him- a good route running, good hands, loving it over the middle receiver. Who knows, Henderson might be ready to supplant Donte with a consistent arm in the pocket. We know how SD used Gates so effectively. I remember the first Brees interview about NO I heard. He didn't even know Hilton's name. As dreadful as the team finished we know how much he came on in the midst of that. Another whole lotta potential.

So, for the right player or a high draft pick, I can see good reasoning to move him IF you have determined as an organization that you do not want to extend his contract.

How about Philly? They didn't get a WR untill the 4th and 5th round and have need there. They have some depth and quality that could be sacrificed. Also, it seems their organization has some repoire with ours. Have you noticed that it seems some teams do more business with particular teams than others? I think it is just human relations how there is familiarity or personalities that just mesh together better. Maybe you have experienced that trying to work trades in a fantasy league, same principle.

Like I said, for a good deal, I can't argue with trading him. If we were able to get a corner from someone or a high second round or late first pick, you might have to go with that. I really, REALLY don't wanna see Donte go somewhere else and blow up though, when he coulda done that for us if we had been patient and seen him with Brees. I like the Philly option though Kell. Who do they have on D that may be expendable?

How can we be so cavalier about Stallworth when he's not had a quarterback? The first two preseason games will show whether Stallworth can be a true #1. Trading Stallworth brings every defensive back closer to the line of scrimmage and reduces the effectiveness of Bush, McAllister and Brees.

Moss was on the block for admittedly playing only when he wanted to...Owens played by his own rules...Price wanted to be the number1 guy somewhere else....Rice was way up in age...Coles didnt want to play in Washington...Walker was upset with his GM and QB for calling him out...All of these guys are talented but they had their issues. I am a Stallworth fan, but at the same time, i dont expect to see his numbers get drastically better because of Brees. Horn seemed to make a name for himself and he doesnt have half the natural talent that Stallworth has. Stallworth is the ultimate tease.

Santana Moss? Eric Moulds? Issues? Jerry Rice aging huh? Back to back thousand yard 83 and 95 catch seasons plus a Superbowl trip when he first joined Oakland say differently. Boston before the steroid crap? And Horn was the benefit of 95% of the passes going his way. He had led the team in drops almost every year up to this one. As far as the problems you listed for the other WRs, we're getting rid of Donte not cause he ISN'T a stud, but because he had that run in with the law. Seems like he fits right in with other high profile receivers being shipped off for whatever reason, other than lack of talent. Kewl. I still say give him a shot with Brees, and there will be A LOT of crow burgers served up hot and fresh. Donte can be every bit of what Reggie Wayne is for Indy. Hell, you swap him to Indy with Peyton and Wayne here to New Orleans with Brooks, and we'd have people talking like Wayne was throwaway. I can't even really believe people won't even give the guy a shot with Brees.

Hey, i will be the first in line for the crow burgers. In fact, i am sure it will be you who wears the hair net and plastic gloves and passes them out. I am all for Stallworth developing and doing something with the saints. But, if he does, i dont think it will be because of Brees, it will be because he is playing for a big payday. He has had his chances, he has made plays...but he hasnt been consistent in any way, shape or form. He has all the tools to be a top 10 WR in the league, but after 4 years, he isnt even a top 30 WR. I want him to do well, but i think the guy has some issues and he fits the mold of all the guys you named. Oh, and Jerry Rice is the exception to every rule. He put up those numbers with Oakland when he was nearly 40 years old. So yes, he was way up in age. Eric Moulds didnt want to play in Buffalo because he thinks the QB situation there is a joke. But we can argue about Stallworth all year, if he has a breakout year, you can believe all you want that it would be because of Brees, when in your heart of hearts you have to know that it is about him getting the big money.

In Stallworth's defense, he did have "Fumbles the Clown" throwing him the ball (which was never in stride I might ad). :D

EXACTLY. How hard is that to understand? He had one of the most inconsistent QBs in the league throwing him the ball his whole career. LEt's see, could an inconsistent WR be the product of an inconsistent QB if he is not the prime target 95% of the time? Ding ding ding.

JimBone, what about Santana Moss? And David Boston? You seem to wanna explain off any good receiver as having issues. Guess what? Donte had issues, a run in with the law, so they wanna get rid of him. What about Marty Booker? Nate Burleson? Plax Burress? Joey Gallaway when he was with Seattle? Terry Glenn? The league is littered with good receiver who have been traded or allowed to go to other teams. Doesn't mean a player isn't a stud. If we keep Donte, get ready for some crow. :wink:

I hope they keep Donte'.

With a new coach and Brees in town it would be crazy to get rid of Stallworth now, at least let's see how he does with Drees at the helm.

I'll be plan sick, I mean sick, if we trade off stallworth. Stallworth can step up if JoE goes down again and fill in at #1 better then anyone else we have and considering Joe's age, we need a young talented Wideout like him. Please!! Please!! Dont trade off Donte.

whodi, with philly there could be plenty. hard to throw names out if they haven't been rumored as on the block. but how bout these-

cb sheldon brown for stallworth and any other cb besides mackenzie they want. wasn't that fred thomas they wanted a coupla yrs back?

i'd say winston justice ot but NO could have had him if they wanted him. what about old runyon with a 2007 3rd? i didn't realize tra thomas ot was only a year younger than runyon. they're both pretty good for another year or two.

cb lito sheppard is a young all pro stud to me, i would go stall, thomas AND bennett who they could also be interested in to have another corner even better than mackenzie.

If Sheldon Brown or Lito Shepperd were included, I couldn't argue with that. But I highly doubt the Eagles would part with either one.

Listen....this team still has some areas to cover. Honestly...letting go of Donte' is practically unecessary. He is a deep threat and we don't have too many of those. Letting him go would cause this team more complications than we already have.

I like Stallworth as much as anyone else, but if the right deal comes along we may have to take it. Besides that, the coaching staff has been so overwhelmingly impressed by rookies Mike Haas & Marques Colston that Donte could very well be expendable. Here's what the coaching staff had to say about both rookie receivers...

Mike Haas:




Marques Colston:


You've got one guy who is nearly 6'5"-225 lbs. with good speed & rarely drops a pass (Marques Colston) & one guy that doesn't drop anything (Mike Haas).

But Colston is also raw. He will linger on the practice squad for a couple of seasons like Talman Gardner did. If Donte walks for nothing next year or whenever, then maybe he can step in.
You only highlighted the good parts. Now, like I told Kelley, if we were getting a Sheppard or Brown, I could see parting with Donte. But not just for the sake of getting rid of him, and definitely not cause of some rookies.