Not one Saint in Prisco's top 50 players

smyce · 06-01-2006, 03:06 PM

Walter Jones at #7 is a great pick. Vick shouldnt be there at all.

saintswhodi · 06-01-2006, 03:14 PM

He coulda threw us Brees, unless he fully expects him to regress to nothing now that he IS a Saint. Several players who don't deserve it are on there, and several coming off injury.

patdog · 06-01-2006, 07:29 PM

Was this list for what you did last year are what you did for your career, because if it's for last year noway Brett favre should be on the last.

GoldRush26 · 06-01-2006, 09:47 PM

Well....I agree that there are some undeserving players on that list, but after last year I can't see how any one on our team would make it. Brett Farve gets a pass(and deservedly so). He has had many many great years....not fair to write him off because of one year. He had QB ratings of 90.4 and 92.4 in 2003 and 2004. Brees may have had a higher QB rating average over that same period, but Farve will get the nod because he's been doing it for years.

I think we will get respect if Brees is even close to how good he was in SD. He does have to prove it on the field first though. The critics will always say "But he's in New Orleans" until that happens.

Note Daunte Culpepper isn't on the list either. Brees isn't the only one they have doubts about.

saintswhodi · 06-02-2006, 08:26 AM

Culpepper also played like absolute crap before he got hurt last year. Brees on the other hand, didn't. It's an obvious snub cause he is a Saint.

spkb25 · 06-02-2006, 08:47 AM

newmex i think you are way off on larry johnson. i will agree that the line is great but to say that preist is still the man until he gets the boot where have you been. larry has been given the starting job. it is his. doesn't matter if preist comes back or not. now as far as his stats from last year they are nothing short of great. first off he didn't even start the entire season. before preist got hurt they shared carries. in the first seven games he only once carried the ball for more then 20 times and only twice for more then ten times. which means that out of the first 7 games which is nearly half a season, 5 games he carried the ball less then 10 times. in the last 9 games of the season the guy had 1351 yards. thats a frigan season for most backs. he twice had over 200 yards in a game. the guy averaged over 5 yards a carry for the season. he ended the season with 1750 yards. that is without having started the entire season. he played in every game but did not have a full share of carries in 6 games last season.

Tobias-Reiper · 06-02-2006, 09:43 AM

Originally Posted by GoldRush26

Well....Brett Farve gets a pass(and deservedly so). He has had many many great years....not fair to write him off because of one year. He had QB ratings of 90.4 and 92.4 in 2003 and 2004. Brees may have had a higher QB rating average over that same period, but Farve will get the nod because he's been doing it for years.
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Great stats!!! ..now, if we look at the NFC North since its inception between 2001 and 2004:

Code:

Chicago   13-3 4-12 7-9 5-11
Minnesota 5-11 6-7  9-7 8-8
Detroit   2-14 3-13 5-11 6-10

So, yeah, Favre has been doing it for years to very bad teams.
That's some tough competition!! Between 3 teams in 4 seasons they managed 2 winning seasons with combined records of 73 -116.
Yeah, the Packers went to the playoffs those years, but the only highlight is a mediocre win against the Seahawks, while the lowlights included 6 INTs in one game and the first playoff loss in GB. I know, I know, "Favre can't do it alone"... of course, when they win, it was "Favre putting the team on his shoulders" and "he can do it all".

Favre has not been doing it for years... he stopped doing it around 2000.. Madden, ESPN, et al have made a living legend out of Favre. But for the last 4-5 years, he's not been that great. Yes, he won a Super Bowl 10 years ago. Yes his staring streak is impressive. But no he's not been that good the last 3-4 years, and certainly he doesn't deserve to be in such a list.

NewMexSaint · 06-02-2006, 10:09 AM

Originally Posted by spkb25

newmex i think you are way off on larry johnson. i will agree that the line is great but to say that preist is still the man until he gets the boot where have you been. larry has been given the starting job. it is his. doesn't matter if preist comes back or not. now as far as his stats from last year they are nothing short of great. first off he didn't even start the entire season. before preist got hurt they shared carries. in the first seven games he only once carried the ball for more then 20 times and only twice for more then ten times. which means that out of the first 7 games which is nearly half a season, 5 games he carried the ball less then 10 times. in the last 9 games of the season the guy had 1351 yards. thats a frigan season for most backs. he twice had over 200 yards in a game. the guy averaged over 5 yards a carry for the season. he ended the season with 1750 yards. that is without having started the entire season. he played in every game but did not have a full share of carries in 6 games last season.

Your allowed to have your opn. thats whats great about the USA. I just think the system was already in place, the line is great, and thats my final story and im sticking to it

06-01-2006, 09:47 PM	#24
GoldRush26 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 594	Well....I agree that there are some undeserving players on that list, but after last year I can't see how any one on our team would make it. Brett Farve gets a pass(and deservedly so). He has had many many great years....not fair to write him off because of one year. He had QB ratings of 90.4 and 92.4 in 2003 and 2004. Brees may have had a higher QB rating average over that same period, but Farve will get the nod because he's been doing it for years. I think we will get respect if Brees is even close to how good he was in SD. He does have to prove it on the field first though. The critics will always say "But he's in New Orleans" until that happens. Note Daunte Culpepper isn't on the list either. Brees isn't the only one they have doubts about.
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06-02-2006, 08:47 AM	#26
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,093	newmex i think you are way off on larry johnson. i will agree that the line is great but to say that preist is still the man until he gets the boot where have you been. larry has been given the starting job. it is his. doesn't matter if preist comes back or not. now as far as his stats from last year they are nothing short of great. first off he didn't even start the entire season. before preist got hurt they shared carries. in the first seven games he only once carried the ball for more then 20 times and only twice for more then ten times. which means that out of the first 7 games which is nearly half a season, 5 games he carried the ball less then 10 times. in the last 9 games of the season the guy had 1351 yards. thats a frigan season for most backs. he twice had over 200 yards in a game. the guy averaged over 5 yards a carry for the season. he ended the season with 1750 yards. that is without having started the entire season. he played in every game but did not have a full share of carries in 6 games last season.
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06-02-2006, 09:43 AM	#27
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Originally Posted by GoldRush26 Well....Brett Farve gets a pass(and deservedly so). He has had many many great years....not fair to write him off because of one year. He had QB ratings of 90.4 and 92.4 in 2003 and 2004. Brees may have had a higher QB rating average over that same period, but Farve will get the nod because he's been doing it for years. . Great stats!!! ..now, if we look at the NFC North since its inception between 2001 and 2004: Code: Chicago 13-3 4-12 7-9 5-11 Minnesota 5-11 6-7 9-7 8-8 Detroit 2-14 3-13 5-11 6-10 So, yeah, Favre has been doing it for years to very bad teams. That's some tough competition!! Between 3 teams in 4 seasons they managed 2 winning seasons with combined records of 73 -116. Yeah, the Packers went to the playoffs those years, but the only highlight is a mediocre win against the Seahawks, while the lowlights included 6 INTs in one game and the first playoff loss in GB. I know, I know, "Favre can't do it alone"... of course, when they win, it was "Favre putting the team on his shoulders" and "he can do it all". Favre has not been doing it for years... he stopped doing it around 2000.. Madden, ESPN, et al have made a living legend out of Favre. But for the last 4-5 years, he's not been that great. Yes, he won a Super Bowl 10 years ago. Yes his staring streak is impressive. But no he's not been that good the last 3-4 years, and certainly he doesn't deserve to be in such a list.
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06-02-2006, 10:09 AM	#28
NewMexSaint 100th Post Join Date: May 2006 Location: Farmington, NM Posts: 141	Originally Posted by spkb25 newmex i think you are way off on larry johnson. i will agree that the line is great but to say that preist is still the man until he gets the boot where have you been. larry has been given the starting job. it is his. doesn't matter if preist comes back or not. now as far as his stats from last year they are nothing short of great. first off he didn't even start the entire season. before preist got hurt they shared carries. in the first seven games he only once carried the ball for more then 20 times and only twice for more then ten times. which means that out of the first 7 games which is nearly half a season, 5 games he carried the ball less then 10 times. in the last 9 games of the season the guy had 1351 yards. thats a frigan season for most backs. he twice had over 200 yards in a game. the guy averaged over 5 yards a carry for the season. he ended the season with 1750 yards. that is without having started the entire season. he played in every game but did not have a full share of carries in 6 games last season. Your allowed to have your opn. thats whats great about the USA. I just think the system was already in place, the line is great, and thats my final story and im sticking to it

06-01-2006, 03:06 PM	#21
smyce 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Cedar Falls, IA Posts: 184	Walter Jones at #7 is a great pick. Vick shouldnt be there at all.

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06-01-2006, 03:14 PM	#22
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	He coulda threw us Brees, unless he fully expects him to regress to nothing now that he IS a Saint. Several players who don't deserve it are on there, and several coming off injury.

06-01-2006, 07:29 PM	#23
patdog 100th Post Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: westwego La Posts: 194	Was this list for what you did last year are what you did for your career, because if it's for last year noway Brett favre should be on the last.

06-02-2006, 08:26 AM	#25
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Culpepper also played like absolute crap before he got hurt last year. Brees on the other hand, didn't. It's an obvious snub cause he is a Saint.