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saintswhodi 06-06-2006 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by GoldRush26
I can't believe some are saying this was a bad move. Have they forgotten how absolutely HORRIBLE that fat tub of goo called Sullivan is??? Do they not remember that draft day disappointment when it appeared we were trading up to get Terrell Suggs only to wind up with this simp? I was HYPED when i read this trade on the ticker and my roomate was like "Dude Bethel Johnson isn't good". I told him I would have taken a bag of chips for Sully and the very fact that we got someone of some use for him is exciting to me. We have yet another blazer that can stretch the field even more. I don't think this has anything to do with Stallworth, but I agree that the writing is on the wall. Payton is making it perfectly clear that it doesn't matter where you were picked in the draft or how much money you make, if you don't conform, you won't be here. Stallworth better shape up quick or he won't be too far behind Sully. He's New England's problem now.
I agree with your post, except the part about Terrell Suggs. Most actually thought we were moving up for Marcus Trufant, ESPN even said that's who they thought our pick was when we moved up, cause we had been weak at corner for years, and we had Grant and Howard already playing end, and Suggs did not fit any scheme we had. Other than that though, agreed, en toto.

NewMexSaint 06-06-2006 08:52 AM
http://blogs.bengalszone.com/?cat=51

“The Hamburglar� has struck again.

Bengals OT Willie Anderson, who opened Georgia’s first “Fatburger� restaurant earlier this year, treated his teammates to a lunch of the big, tasty burgers on Friday.

Lo and behold, DT Shaun “The Hamburglar� Smith was seen leaving the lunchroom with a takeout box of Fatburgers — and munching on one in his hand.

Smith got his nickname last season. He was waived by New Orleans on Nov. 30, 2004, two days after he and fellow DT Johnathan Sullivan visited the Georgia Dome press box for a pregame snack. They were inactive for the game in Atlanta. Both were seen leaving the press box with a couple of hamburgers each. Saints head coach Jim Haslett said the incident played a factor in Smith’s release.

HILARIOUS!!!!!

hagan714 06-06-2006 09:07 AM
Henderson (WWL) never forgave Sully for taking the last piece of Cheese Cake in the press box spread either. Boy he spent more time at the free food spread the first two years than on the field

Bise 06-06-2006 11:03 AM
So we get Bethel Johnson (another WR) which gives us more lattitude to trade Donte to SD for Donnie Edwards....

Maybe that is the new plan?

mikesaintfan 06-06-2006 12:11 PM
sully is gone woohooo.....
alot of pieces to make a trade for something worth having on the team

NOSaints 06-06-2006 12:24 PM
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Does anybody really know if we're actually saving money this way? Will we be taking any cap penalties because of the trade?
Sullivan still will cost more than $5 million against the Saints' salary cap during the next two seasons, stemming from his original signing bonus. But they will be relieved of his scheduled 2006 salary of $689,083.

JimBone 06-06-2006 01:07 PM
The move was absolutely not about money...it was about Payton saying, "I dont care where you were drafted, or what the other regime promised you, you have to prove yourself to me and do things my way." Sullivan was an example. Getting Johnson will hopefully fuel Stallworth to do the right thing and shape up and get Henderson to try to be more consistent because the opportunity is there for them to thrive. Being honest, we dont have a receiver thats ready to step up and start for us. Henderson, Johnson, Lyman, Hass, C. Horn...all these guys are 3 or 4 receivers...not starters.

NOSaints 06-06-2006 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by saintsrule
I wish he had stayed and done well. But I sure will not miss all that hate he gets. I think it takes time for most players to play well. But it seems every draft pick is expected to be great their first year.
Certain positions are capable of being productive immediately, others require that the player get broken in to the NFL slowly and mature. Regardless of the aforementioned though, a player must have a good work ethic, and a desire to make a difference as well as a good motor. These are the things Sully did not have. maybe Bellichick can light a fire under him, but haz couldn't and Payton had no desire to. I think he saw too much of a downside in Sully. He can't waste time on a player that does not look like he wants to win. All the hate Sully got, he deserved. He made his bed, and now he is having to sleep in it.

saintswhodi 06-06-2006 01:30 PM
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He made his bed, and now he is having to sleep in it.
Or eat it. :lol:

DJLengai 06-06-2006 03:36 PM
Remember 2 seasons ago when Haslett was talikng to Tony Siragusa and asked him, "Why do you fat guys always need to be cut before you start playing?" Would be very ironic if Sullivan turns it on in NE and he and Wilfork dominate. Something tells me we will be bringing in a new DT from somewhere soon like we did with the LB's.

papz 06-06-2006 03:40 PM
Sullivan and Wilfork won't happen... Ty Warren is a very good player. He could be a solid backup at most there... which would be an accomplishment.

LongTimeFan 06-06-2006 06:43 PM
IMO Stallworth is toast in N.O, I see him traded real soon, thing is I was hoping we were going to hold on to him at least another year..
I hope B. Johnson can produce for us..

NewMexSaint 06-06-2006 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by LongTimeFan
IMO Stallworth is toast in N.O, I see him traded real soon, thing is I was hoping we were going to hold on to him at least another year..
I hope B. Johnson can produce for us..
I see Hass starting over Bethel J. Sean would rather see some unseen talent that he selected start, rather than a washed up scaredy cat who wont take a hit, we are worse off at # 2 WR if Bethel replaces Stallworth.IMHO

GO Dale Jr and the Saints

LongTimeFan 06-06-2006 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by NewMexSaint
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Originally Posted by LongTimeFan
IMO Stallworth is toast in N.O, I see him traded real soon, thing is I was hoping we were going to hold on to him at least another year..
I hope B. Johnson can produce for us..
I see Hass starting over Bethel J. Sean would rather see some unseen talent that he selected start, rather than a washed up scaredy cat who wont take a hit, we are worse off at # 2 WR if Bethel replaces Stallworth.IMHO

GO Dale Jr and the Saints
I agree, better off with Stallworth.

GoldRush26 06-06-2006 08:04 PM
Talent-wise we are better off with Stallworth, but he seems like he's pulling a little diva act right now. We may be stuck with him though if no one else on the team steps up. Nothing I've heard regarding Stallworth is encouraging to me thus far however.

jnormand 06-06-2006 08:14 PM
Stallworth is still a good #2 guy. He's been screwing up lately and pissing on Coach P's shoes.

No matter what, you have to admit that Coach P came in and is cracking skulls. Good move to get rid of Sully. I'm not real high on the person we got for him, but at least Sully is gone.


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