saints trade johnathon sullivan
 

saints trade him o the patriots for wr bethel johnson. bethel can really fly he will add more speed to the already fast wr group. some serious speed with stallworth henderson lewis and now johnson.

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wheres the link

Saints trade Sullivan for wide receiver

Jay Glazer / FOXSports.com
Posted: 19 minutes ago

Just prior to the 2003 NFL draft, the New Orleans Saints traded a pair of first-round picks so they could move up and select Georgia defensive tackle Johnathan Sullivan with the sixth overall pick.

Three years later, the Saints are sending Sullivan packing.

FOXSports.com has learned that New Orleans has traded Sullivan to the New England Patriots for wide receiver Bethel Johnson.

Sullivan quickly fell out of favor with new Saints head coach Sean Payton because he didn't show up on time to recent minicamp meetings.

Last season, Sullivan played in 15 games for the Saints, making 29 tackles.

Johnson appeared in 11 games for the Patriots in 2005, making just four catches for 67 yards and one touchdown.

www.foxsports.com

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never thought another WR. I have watched Bethal up here in NE. he can fly and one heck of a return man. HMM I guess the next move will be Henderson or Stallworth going. maybe both. Well we just saved some cap money to boot. Wonder if the beerman is on a shortlist? Where did you get the info?

From what i hear, Stallworth showed up late for practice on Saturday, and was kept from practicing as punishment ... then on Sunday he was limited to the amount of time he was ont he field. Some say he was seen stretching his shoulder a lot on the sidelines on SUnday. I think the writing is on the wall. One way to get on Payton's bad side is to be late and show disrespect to the rest of the team. I say Stallworth's days are numbered, unless he picks it up a notch and starts being more disciplined and showing up to practices on time. Too bad too, because I think Stallworth is capable of having a great year with Brees at QB.

:airguitar:

Why for another receiver? CB, DT, or any part of the O-line would have filled a much larger void

RE: saints trade johnathon sullivan
 

81 Johnson, Bethel WR 5'11'' 200 02/11/1979 4 Texas A&M
RECEIVING

Year Team ........................G GS No Yards Avg Lg TD 20+ 40+ FD
2003 New England Patriots 15 5 ..16 ...209 ..13.1 45 .2... 2 ...1 ...12
2004 New England Patriots 13 1 ..10 ...174 ..17.4 48 .1... 3 ....2 ...8
2005 New England Patriots 11 1 ..4 ......67 ..16.8 55 .1 ...1 ....1 ....1
TOTAL .............................39 7 .30 ...450 ..15.0 55 .4 ...6 ....4 ..21


RUSHING

Year Team ........................G GS Att Yards Avg Lg TD 20+ FD
2003 New England Patriots 15 5 ...1 ..-12 ..-12.0 -12 ..0 .0 ....0
2004 New England Patriots 13 1 ...2 ...8 .....4.0 ...11 ..0 ..0 ...1
2005 New England Patriots 11 1 ...0 ...0 -.... 0 ......0 ...0 .0
TOTAL ............................ 39 7 ...3 ..-4 ...-1.3 ....11 ..0 ..0 ...1


KICK RETURNS

Year Team ........................G No Yards Avg Lg TD 40+
2003 New England Patriots 15 30 ...847 .28.2 92 ..1 ...5
2004 New England Patriots 13 41 .1016 .24.8 93 ...1 ..3
2005 New England Patriots 11 31 ..694 ..22.4 54 ...0 ..1
TOTAL ............................39 102 2557 .25.1 93 ...2 ..9


PUNT RETURNS

Year Team ........................G No FC Yards Avg Lg TD 20+
2003 New England Patriots 15 1 ...0 ...2 .....2.0 ....2 ..0 ...0
2004 New England Patriots 13 4 ...1 ...8 .....2.0 ....6 ..0... 0
2005 New England Patriots 11 1 ....0 ..11 ...11.0 ..11 ..0.. 0
TOTAL ............................39 6 ....1 ..21 ....3.5... 11.. 0 ..0

We probably looked at what NE was willing to get rid of, and picked the best guy on their list. I am sure NE was not releasing any good linemen, On the bright side of things, just be happy we got anything at all for Sully because I really think that he would of been cut soon, and then we would of gotten nothing for him. Also be happy for all the cap room we freed up by dumping that loser, heartless SLOB of an excuse.

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Calm down guys bethel is fast but he is not that great of a WR. here in NE he never really got the chance so I will give him a break but he is a heck of a KR. Only reason he did not return much last year is that Dewight was a mad man in the return game. Bethal was not as bold in not calling fair catches and poor at punt returns in nowing where on the field heis inside the 10 to let the ball go. but they did kick way from him on the kickoffs.

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Bye Bye Beer Man!!!!!!!!

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here is how the Boston Herald sums it it

The Patriots today traded disappointing fourth-year receiver Bethel Johnson to the New Orleans Saints for veteran defensive lineman Johnathan Sullivan, the No. 6 overall pick in 2003, according to sources.

Like Johnson, the Pats’ second-round pick in 2003, Sullivan came into the league with big expectations but never panned out for the Saints. Last year he had 34 tackles and one sack in 14 games. He has just 1.5 sacks for his career. The Saints moved up to select Sullivan (6-foot-3, 315 pounds) in 2003, giving up their two first-rounders to move to the sixth spot.

Johnson lived up to his promise as one of the fastest players Bill Belichick has ever coached, but durability and toughness issues dogged him.

He had just four catches in 11 games last season.
http://patriots.bostonherald.com/pat...ticleid=142279

And the hits keep on coming. By far my favorite off-season as a Saints fan.

SULLY??????? HMMMM Whats going on here? Whos next. Why couldnt we get something better than a crappy WR.

I bet New E. is laughing thier butts off right now, Bethel is garbage imo.

And Sully is garbage. I wouldn't care if they gave us some used garbage pail kids cards, get that fat, check collecting, sucky, junk, tub of lard off our team.

From Patriots.com......


6/5/06
Johnson dealt to Saints
by Paul Perillo and Andy Hart

The Patriots traded disappointing wide receiver Bethel Johnson to the New Orleans Saints for defensive tackle Johnathan Sullivan on Monday.

One of the oldest clichés regarding underachieving players involves a change of scenery. With that in mind, the Patriots and the New Orleans Saints decided to exchange one disappointment for another Monday afternoon when wide receiver Bethel Johnson was shipped to the Saints for defensive tackle Johnathan Sullivan.

The trade is pending league approval, which could happen as early Tuesday. According to Patriots executive director of media relations Stacey James, an official press release will be issued once the deal is approved.

Both players were selected in 2003 – Sullivan in the first round (sixth overall) and Johnson in the second – and neither has lived up to his billing. The Saints actually traded up to get Sullivan, who was a teammate of Richard Seymour at Georgia, but the 6-3, 328-pounder has been ineffective during his three seasons.

The Saints have been upset with his poor conditioning in the past, and during their recently completed mini-camp he struggled with the heat despite being 20 pounds lighter than previous offseasons. In 2004, he was inactive for seven of New Orleans’ final eight games despite being healthy. In 36 career games, Sullivan managed just 1.5 sacks and 77 tackles.

The seven-year deal Sullivan signed as a rookie has four years remaining – roughly $689,000 for 2006, $901,000 in 2007, $1.24 million in 2008 and $1.45 million in 2009. However, several of the trades the Patriots have made in recent seasons have involved renegotiations, which could alter some of those dollar amounts.

Johnson, the Patriots second-round pick in 2003, came into the league with worlds of talent but never put it together in New England. He burst on the scene as a dynamic kick returner as a rookie, leading the AFC with a 28.2-yard average that included a 92-yard touchdown and several other big returns.

But he never cracked the receiving rotation during his three years. His world-class speed evidently couldn’t overcome his lack of polish as a route-runner and his seeming unwillingness to adapt to the different receiver spots. He was a healthy scratch three times last year and once in 2004.

In his three seasons, Johnson had just 30 catches for 450 yards and four touchdowns, but 16 of those receptions came in his rookie season. Johnson spoke recently about his inability to establish himself in Bill Belichick’s offense.

“It probably has to be that way,� Johnson said when asked if the end of his time here could be near. “It probably had to be that way, I don’t know. I don’t know if that will be the case, but I don’t know. That’s the thing in this business, you never know.�

http://www.patriots.com/news/index.c...=19431&pcid=41


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from the Pats board...

Here's Bethel's numbers :

2006 500000.00
2007 546000.00

and Sullivan's again :

2006 689083.00
2007 901333.00
2008 1243583.00
2009 1455829.00

we save 189,083 this year and 455,333 in 2007
while dumping 2,699,412 in the remaining 2 years of the contract.
I like cheaper Garbage. Beerman better watch his butt on the KR team. He is safe on the PR team though. Okay now we can loose henderson or stallworth and still have the same kind of WR.
:bananajoy: for cheap garbage

:fanclub: :cheering:

I hope Stallworth get it together cuz i'll hate to see him traded but if we get a fair trade like this one i am all for it.

We pretty much know these guys before their flight touches the ground.


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I don't like the trade. Sullivan does suck, but Bethel isn't much more than a kick returner. Our staff has a thing for receivers and safeties. Basically a trade of first round busts... I would have rather kept the bust at DT though. I'd hate to see him develop under Bill's toolege. He's never going to start there with Warren and Wilfork, but he can still be average. Oh well...

I still think he needs to write a check to benson before he leaves for his play. he owes us a refund.
I agree with the DT hole but maybe the Rookies can step in and play up to Sully's level. :P

68 Boykin, McKinley 6-1 289 23 R Mississippi They really like this guy.
90 Villarreal, Brandon 6-1 289 23 R Purdue

come on Paz join in on the cheap Garbage chant

Bethel was a 2nd rounder. :P

Opps... guess I was wrong. :annoy: Though he was the last pick of the first way back when... need to lay off the booze my memory is going bad.

None of us really know what the plan is for this team, but finally cutting the ties with another one of the guys Haslett bent over for is a good sign. Henderson and Stallworth i think are safe, but Michael Lewis has to watch his back. I know Haslett kept 6 guys who only played special teams and i dont think Payton is that stupid to do it too. Haslett kept Gleason, Mitchell, McAfee, Lewis and a slew of other bums that only played special teams...if you ask me, my prediction is they all get cut except for McAfee...yes, mitchell is already gone.

Yousa tradin' da fat ass?

Keith Davis.

I still don't get that attempted signing where his contract offer was triple what he made there last year.

What I understand even less is that the Cowboy's matched it, and in reading a blurb on Skyler Green yesterday saw that Davis is competing with a handful of other guys for playing time.

YEAH SULLY IS GONE !!!! !!!! !!!! Ok so Another WR Awesome ..... Probly wont contribute that much but maybe special teams.... I love it I love it I love it ........

We just killed two birds with one stone....We got rid of Sully's fat, sorry a** & we saved some money.

Sean Payton, like the beer commercial....."Brilliant, just brilliant!!!!"

At least the working class poor in Boston should directly benefit. Sully is going to generate a lot of business to the fast food industry in the Boston area. Sully coming to New England should be considered exceptional news for Burger King, McDonalds, Wendys, KFC, and Hardee employees. With the added revenue that Sully is going produce for the fast food industry, it should mean some higher wages and more promotion opportunities for the workers. Just trading Sully to New England does more for their local low end economy than any government entity could ever achieve.

Ding dong, the fat *** is gone!

Sully's one smart mofo. He bided his time, taking his rediculously large paycheck and upfront bonus and saved himself and his health for a team that makes the playoffs every year instead of one that probably won't for a while. He'll be a super stud for two years, get another rediculously large contract, then pull his lunchline routine again.

I'm with all those who wonder how many other teams could have given us SOMETHING other than a redundancy for Sully.

Sully was a joke from day one and showed up at camp 60 pounds overweight. He was offered 100,000 bucks a week just to go and work out and never showed up. The guy doesn't have any work habits and he'll be out of the league in a few years. We took the trade to keep from taking a cap hit and free up even more money to make a long term Bush contract. Willie Whitehead is not a huge playmaker but he is solid, dependable, and works hard. I spoke to him a bit at the first mini-camp, didn't get a chance at this last one becouse I was -trying- to speak to Brees, Buch, and Horn, Willie told me when I asked him "Man, you taking Sully's job this year or what?", "Man, I realy hope I get a chance to start this year, you know I've been working real hard and coach tells us we all have a spot open to us if we earn it".. So, I'm pulling for him. He's got the personality that Peyton looks for and is the type of guy that gives it his all every down. He wont make alot of sacks but he wont be giving up big plays from assignment mistakes.

Does anybody really know if we're actually saving money this way? Will we be taking any cap penalties because of the trade?

Even despite these questions, I am happy that we got rid of Sully. I nearly had an anneurism when we traded two draft picks for a defensive tackle, and I think things just went downhill from there. People on this board, including myself (although at times I have mixed in sporadic outbursts of optimism claiming that Sully might come through next year) have been calling for Sully's head for a long time. I'm just glad he's gone. I think he has been something of a distraction to this team, just like ABs freakin antics were a distraction. His shenanigans about not being able to get to the right weight and in general just being a worthless tub of goo, IMO, always put a damper on the team. I mean seeing a guy consistently fail and yet still be given the opportunity to play for your team must wear on a player's mind. What kind of example was he setting? I like that Payton is saying that if you play games and don't take care of business, you'll be gone quicker than a Big Mac dangled in front of Sully's face.

Although I do agree that getting Bethel Johnson doesn't seem to be the ideal trade, we did get rid of Sully. That's really all I can say about that. I honestly didn't think we'd get ANYthing for him, so getting an extremely fast WR to go with our four other extremely fast WRs doesn't seem too bad. Also, somebody mentioned that we should have gotten a CB or DT or something else from the Pats. Like who? If anybody remembers anything about the Patriots' struggles last year, a lot of it revolved around their lack of cornerbacks and defensive players in general. THey lost Willie McGinest this year, so they don't exactly have a lot to trade with.

Anyways, I'm still disappointed with that draft pick and Sully himself, but I'm glad his fat lard arse distraction is gone.

If Stallworth and Henderson could be on the way out, can anyone say....nahhhhhhh...not gonna say his name.....some may get edgy.

Not too bad of a trade. Johnson is good insurance in case Beerman can't really come back from injury. Glad we cut our losses and dropped Sully. I tired of hearing about his half-hearted training efforts and level of commitment. We've at least got a chance that Johnson will revive his career down here, you never can tell w/ wide receivers.

I wish he had stayed and done well. But I sure will not miss all that hate he gets. I think it takes time for most players to play well. But it seems every draft pick is expected to be great their first year.

I can't believe some are saying this was a bad move. Have they forgotten how absolutely HORRIBLE that fat tub of goo called Sullivan is??? Do they not remember that draft day disappointment when it appeared we were trading up to get Terrell Suggs only to wind up with this simp? I was HYPED when i read this trade on the ticker and my roomate was like "Dude Bethel Johnson isn't good". I told him I would have taken a bag of chips for Sully and the very fact that we got someone of some use for him is exciting to me. We have yet another blazer that can stretch the field even more. I don't think this has anything to do with Stallworth, but I agree that the writing is on the wall. Payton is making it perfectly clear that it doesn't matter where you were picked in the draft or how much money you make, if you don't conform, you won't be here. Stallworth better shape up quick or he won't be too far behind Sully. He's New England's problem now.

Could this be a move to free up some more cap space so that we could sign Ty Law?

I seriously doubt it. I don't think even Mark Cuban could afford to pay what Ty's asking for.