Roster Weaknesses?

jdiggy · 06-09-2006, 12:32 PM

Here's how I see the Saints Roster:

OFFENSE

QB - We're in good shape.
RB - Good depth
FB - Karney - Good

TE - So many unremarkable tight ends. They must have big plans for the tight end position next season and are hoping one of 'em is lightning in a bottle. I got a feeling... Hilton's it, and there's not going to be much behind him.

OL - Need another marquee player besides Brown. Faine's not it. We just got sloppy seconds from Cleveland. The O-line is the white elephant on this team. The coaches have got to know it's going to be a problem, they're just not talking about it.

WR - Behind Joe Horn, there's not much proven talent. Stallworth should be traded for O-Line depth. They have an entire stable of young receivers behind him; there's bound to be one capable of stretching the field. I've read that Brees is high on Henderson. He's a streaker.

DEFENSE

DL - Good depth at end positions. Veterans at Tackle, but would like to see one more quality player added for depth. Unloading Sullivan was an awesome move, and long overdue.

LB - It feels like they're just stockpiling at this position, similar to the TE's. Polley will be good. Simmons, who knows? Fujita, probably ok. Fincher and Bockwoldt, steady but unspectacular. This position worries me... How did they not draft a stud linebacker in the 2nd?

CB - McKenzie, and???? Jason Craft and Fred Thomas still on the team? Oh that's comforting... Uh... who else.... Fakhir Brown went to St. Louis? That's too bad... Hmm... What's that? SEVEN safeties on the roster, and nobody to flank the sides of the field. Well, i'm sure they have a plan.

SS / FS - That's right seven safeties on this roster. How many of them are you confident in starting? I get the feeling the coaching staff feels the same way... One of them has got to step up. How about Bullocks and Stoutmire?

Overall, we'll win some games (i hope). But, that defense looks scary bad (outside of the DL).

Thoughts?

NewMexSaint · 06-09-2006, 12:39 PM

The O line is my big concern also, and your right..Faine is not enough. The way I see it our line was so bad last year, and its worst this year, I fear for Brees shoulder .... sure hope it holds up

hagan714 · 06-09-2006, 01:55 PM

FB - Karney - Good but back up is needed
TE - not in as bad shape as you would think. need a TE that can block and catch
DL - can not wait to see Hazs doghouse play
CB - makes me want to throw up. I see safties on the field in the nickle and dime
Ol - Another year of a new mix.
WR - Behind Joe Horn, there's not much proven talent. Stallworth should be traded for O-Line depth. They have an entire stable of young receivers behind him; there's bound to be one capable of stretching the field. I've read that Brees is high on Henderson. He's a streaker

Watch out Whodi is going to beat you with the limp noodle. I agree with you

gandhi1007 · 06-09-2006, 03:24 PM

I think our two biggest areas of need are safety & WR.

saintswhodi · 06-09-2006, 03:42 PM

I think I am no longer gonna argue with folks who are clearly delusional. :P

nola_swammi · 06-09-2006, 03:45 PM

My biggest concern is the coaching staff. I know coaches have to start somewhere to get the experience but to have 5 coaches with their 1st experince as a coach at their respected position and 4 of them 1st year experience in the league:

Curtis Johnson Receiver coach (1st) NFL yr (1st)yr w/ team
Terry Malone Tight ends coach (1st)NFL yr (1st) yr w/ team
Marion Hobby Defensive Line coach (1st) NFL yr (1st) yr w/ team
Tom Hayes Secondary coach (1st) NFL yr (1st) yr w/ team

JimBone · 06-09-2006, 04:21 PM

My view is this...as far as the O line goes, i am comfortable with Brown, Holland, and Faine. That leaves us with Mayberry, Goodwin, Nesbit and Stinchcomb to man the right side. I have to think that we can hit on two of them...Nesbit and Mayberry are veterans. They know what they are doing , albeit they may be on the downside of their careers. Stinch and Goodwin are both young guys chomping at the bit to get on the field and prove themselves so i am not as worried about the o-line as i am about the CB's...but first, the rest of the offense, we dont need a backup fullback. Whoever said that is crazy. Very few teams in the NFL carry more than one fullback. I think Hilton will be OK, Campbell is a blocking specialist and we will see what we can get out of Miller and Euhus.

I do worry about the DT rotation. Thomas, Young, Whitehead, Woodard, and Leisle...that is what worries me. That and the fact that we have to count on either Fred Thomas, Jason Craft, or Joey Thomas to be on the field 80% of the time...that is concern number 1.

papz · 06-09-2006, 04:31 PM

Corner and defensive tackle would be our biggest concerns. Every other position looks pretty decent. If Brown can hold his own on the left side, I think our line is better than a lot of people think.

Fullback is the last of our concerns. I think JimBone pretty much covered that.

4saintspirit · 06-09-2006, 04:35 PM

While I agree with most of your analysis I have to disagree about Faine -- he is a very solid center -- probably better at center the Bentley -- they should never have moved Bentley to center -- he would have been an anchor on our line where he was

JimBone · 06-09-2006, 06:01 PM

No way he is a better center than Faine...Bentley is the strong, mauler type who can handle any DT in the league simply by muscling with them, Faine is more of a finesse center who will often need help...so i will give you something by saying they are two different types of centers, but Bentley is bordering on being the best interior lineman in the NFL...Faine cant even sniff that.

06-09-2006, 12:32 PM	#1
jdiggy 100th Post Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Ol' Metry Posts: 239	Roster Weaknesses? Here's how I see the Saints Roster: OFFENSE QB - We're in good shape. RB - Good depth FB - Karney - Good TE - So many unremarkable tight ends. They must have big plans for the tight end position next season and are hoping one of 'em is lightning in a bottle. I got a feeling... Hilton's it, and there's not going to be much behind him. OL - Need another marquee player besides Brown. Faine's not it. We just got sloppy seconds from Cleveland. The O-line is the white elephant on this team. The coaches have got to know it's going to be a problem, they're just not talking about it. WR - Behind Joe Horn, there's not much proven talent. Stallworth should be traded for O-Line depth. They have an entire stable of young receivers behind him; there's bound to be one capable of stretching the field. I've read that Brees is high on Henderson. He's a streaker. DEFENSE DL - Good depth at end positions. Veterans at Tackle, but would like to see one more quality player added for depth. Unloading Sullivan was an awesome move, and long overdue. LB - It feels like they're just stockpiling at this position, similar to the TE's. Polley will be good. Simmons, who knows? Fujita, probably ok. Fincher and Bockwoldt, steady but unspectacular. This position worries me... How did they not draft a stud linebacker in the 2nd? CB - McKenzie, and???? Jason Craft and Fred Thomas still on the team? Oh that's comforting... Uh... who else.... Fakhir Brown went to St. Louis? That's too bad... Hmm... What's that? SEVEN safeties on the roster, and nobody to flank the sides of the field. Well, i'm sure they have a plan. SS / FS - That's right seven safeties on this roster. How many of them are you confident in starting? I get the feeling the coaching staff feels the same way... One of them has got to step up. How about Bullocks and Stoutmire? Overall, we'll win some games (i hope). But, that defense looks scary bad (outside of the DL). Thoughts?

06-09-2006, 12:39 PM	#2
NewMexSaint 100th Post Join Date: May 2006 Location: Farmington, NM Posts: 141	RE: Roster Weaknesses? The O line is my big concern also, and your right..Faine is not enough. The way I see it our line was so bad last year, and its worst this year, I fear for Brees shoulder .... sure hope it holds up

06-09-2006, 01:55 PM	#3
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	RE: Roster Weaknesses? FB - Karney - Good but back up is needed TE - not in as bad shape as you would think. need a TE that can block and catch DL - can not wait to see Hazs doghouse play CB - makes me want to throw up. I see safties on the field in the nickle and dime Ol - Another year of a new mix. WR - Behind Joe Horn, there's not much proven talent. Stallworth should be traded for O-Line depth. They have an entire stable of young receivers behind him; there's bound to be one capable of stretching the field. I've read that Brees is high on Henderson. He's a streaker Watch out Whodi is going to beat you with the limp noodle. I agree with you

06-09-2006, 03:24 PM	#4
gandhi1007 Part Time Pimp Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,967	RE: Roster Weaknesses? I think our two biggest areas of need are safety & WR.

06-09-2006, 03:45 PM	#6
nola_swammi 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Monroe, La Posts: 2,627	RE: Roster Weaknesses? My biggest concern is the coaching staff. I know coaches have to start somewhere to get the experience but to have 5 coaches with their 1st experince as a coach at their respected position and 4 of them 1st year experience in the league: Curtis Johnson Receiver coach (1st) NFL yr (1st)yr w/ team Terry Malone Tight ends coach (1st)NFL yr (1st) yr w/ team Marion Hobby Defensive Line coach (1st) NFL yr (1st) yr w/ team Tom Hayes Secondary coach (1st) NFL yr (1st) yr w/ team

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JimBone 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Thibodaux, La Posts: 614	My view is this...as far as the O line goes, i am comfortable with Brown, Holland, and Faine. That leaves us with Mayberry, Goodwin, Nesbit and Stinchcomb to man the right side. I have to think that we can hit on two of them...Nesbit and Mayberry are veterans. They know what they are doing , albeit they may be on the downside of their careers. Stinch and Goodwin are both young guys chomping at the bit to get on the field and prove themselves so i am not as worried about the o-line as i am about the CB's...but first, the rest of the offense, we dont need a backup fullback. Whoever said that is crazy. Very few teams in the NFL carry more than one fullback. I think Hilton will be OK, Campbell is a blocking specialist and we will see what we can get out of Miller and Euhus. I do worry about the DT rotation. Thomas, Young, Whitehead, Woodard, and Leisle...that is what worries me. That and the fact that we have to count on either Fred Thomas, Jason Craft, or Joey Thomas to be on the field 80% of the time...that is concern number 1.
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06-09-2006, 04:31 PM	#8
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,744	Corner and defensive tackle would be our biggest concerns. Every other position looks pretty decent. If Brown can hold his own on the left side, I think our line is better than a lot of people think. Fullback is the last of our concerns. I think JimBone pretty much covered that.

06-09-2006, 04:35 PM	#9
4saintspirit 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 690	While I agree with most of your analysis I have to disagree about Faine -- he is a very solid center -- probably better at center the Bentley -- they should never have moved Bentley to center -- he would have been an anchor on our line where he was
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06-09-2006, 06:01 PM	#10
JimBone 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Thibodaux, La Posts: 614	No way he is a better center than Faine...Bentley is the strong, mauler type who can handle any DT in the league simply by muscling with them, Faine is more of a finesse center who will often need help...so i will give you something by saying they are two different types of centers, but Bentley is bordering on being the best interior lineman in the NFL...Faine cant even sniff that.