Saints not short on offensive weapons

saintswhodi · 06-13-2006, 11:25 AM

Let's see, Carolina had He Hate Me returning kicks. They also have Chris Gamble who was a damn good returner in college. They also have Drew Carter, and Deshaun foster has returned kicks. So they weren't exactly devoid of players who could do it either. They CHOSE to let Smith do it cause he was the best at it, same with Bush here. Every team has guys who CAN return, but very few teams have difference makers at returner. Steve Smith is one, so is Reggie Bush.

BlackandBlue · 06-13-2006, 05:58 PM

Originally Posted by CHACHING

Originally Posted by BlackandBlue

risk versus reward. and with a player of his caliber, the risk is not worth the payoff, in my opinion. but it's always the extreme's with the fans. not allowing him to return the 5-7 punts a game (on average) translates into not letting him play at all. nevermind the fact that he'll be calling a fair catch on roughly half of those plays. i can do without him returning 2-3 punts a game, if i get to see him carry the ball an additional 5 times a game. and all it takes is one idiot 3rd string gunner to miss the fair catch call. unlike running and receiving the ball, there's no defense for that.

Is that the "Bishop" in your avy?.......

none other

i think it was whodi that initially made the comment that led me to put it up there, can't remember for sure. but after hearing the new busta CD, i think i'm about to change it.

is he hate me even in the league anymore???

saintswhodi · 06-13-2006, 07:28 PM

is he hate me even in the league anymore???

He was when Steve Smith was returning punts, which was the point. :P

AllSaints · 06-13-2006, 10:34 PM

He hate me i remeber that guy he returned some on the saints ...........

BlackandBlue · 06-13-2006, 11:28 PM

so basically you're telling me that deuce, stallworth, henderson and lewis = gamble and smart on special teams.

he hate me signed a one year deal with the raiders this offseason, btw.

saintswhodi · 06-13-2006, 11:42 PM

Um, Chris Gamble is as good a returner as any we have. Outside of Reggie. Beerman sucks now, people need to give up that dream. How much weight has Deuce gained? He hasn't returned KICKS since his rookie season, did he ever return punts? We tried Stallworth on punt returns some last season, negative. Henderson has not done it either. So, basically, the choice is not to take out best option at punt returner and have him return, or take a hasbeen, a power back, a guy who did not do so well at it the prior year, or a guy who has never done it, over a guy who excels at it. Awesome. I guess we can get any scmoe to fair catch. Good call.

I don't know where he hate me is playing this year has to do with the fact Steve Smith still returned punts when he was in Carolina, but okay.

BlackandBlue · 06-14-2006, 12:53 AM

gamble might be as good as anyone on our team at returning punts, but you cannot negate the fact that we have more options than carolina does in that regard. which furthers my belief that there's no need to use bush on punt returns, but okay

ever wonder why deuce was limited to kick returns?

CHACHING · 06-14-2006, 12:54 AM

Originally Posted by BlackandBlue

Originally Posted by CHACHING

Originally Posted by BlackandBlue

risk versus reward. and with a player of his caliber, the risk is not worth the payoff, in my opinion. but it's always the extreme's with the fans. not allowing him to return the 5-7 punts a game (on average) translates into not letting him play at all. nevermind the fact that he'll be calling a fair catch on roughly half of those plays. i can do without him returning 2-3 punts a game, if i get to see him carry the ball an additional 5 times a game. and all it takes is one idiot 3rd string gunner to miss the fair catch call. unlike running and receiving the ball, there's no defense for that.

Is that the "Bishop" in your avy?.......

none other i think it was whodi that initially made the comment that led me to put it up there, can't remember for sure. but after hearing the new busta CD, i think i'm about to change it.

is he hate me even in the league anymore???

I see that dude all the time...Cool as Phuck..

lemme know ...ill hook you up with an autograph...
pimpin.....
and ...Smart is still in da league...

BlackandBlue · 06-14-2006, 12:56 AM

see who all the time??? bishop???

CHACHING · 06-14-2006, 12:59 AM

yes....
him and his green caddy..

06-13-2006, 05:58 PM	#32
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	Originally Posted by CHACHING Originally Posted by BlackandBlue risk versus reward. and with a player of his caliber, the risk is not worth the payoff, in my opinion. but it's always the extreme's with the fans. not allowing him to return the 5-7 punts a game (on average) translates into not letting him play at all. nevermind the fact that he'll be calling a fair catch on roughly half of those plays. i can do without him returning 2-3 punts a game, if i get to see him carry the ball an additional 5 times a game. and all it takes is one idiot 3rd string gunner to miss the fair catch call. unlike running and receiving the ball, there's no defense for that. Is that the "Bishop" in your avy?....... none other i think it was whodi that initially made the comment that led me to put it up there, can't remember for sure. but after hearing the new busta CD, i think i'm about to change it. is he hate me even in the league anymore???

06-14-2006, 12:54 AM	#38
CHACHING 500th Post Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Golden State Posts: 830	Originally Posted by BlackandBlue Originally Posted by CHACHING Originally Posted by BlackandBlue risk versus reward. and with a player of his caliber, the risk is not worth the payoff, in my opinion. but it's always the extreme's with the fans. not allowing him to return the 5-7 punts a game (on average) translates into not letting him play at all. nevermind the fact that he'll be calling a fair catch on roughly half of those plays. i can do without him returning 2-3 punts a game, if i get to see him carry the ball an additional 5 times a game. and all it takes is one idiot 3rd string gunner to miss the fair catch call. unlike running and receiving the ball, there's no defense for that. Is that the "Bishop" in your avy?....... none other i think it was whodi that initially made the comment that led me to put it up there, can't remember for sure. but after hearing the new busta CD, i think i'm about to change it. is he hate me even in the league anymore??? I see that dude all the time...Cool as Phuck.. lemme know ...ill hook you up with an autograph... pimpin..... and ...Smart is still in da league...

06-13-2006, 11:25 AM	#31
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Let's see, Carolina had He Hate Me returning kicks. They also have Chris Gamble who was a damn good returner in college. They also have Drew Carter, and Deshaun foster has returned kicks. So they weren't exactly devoid of players who could do it either. They CHOSE to let Smith do it cause he was the best at it, same with Bush here. Every team has guys who CAN return, but very few teams have difference makers at returner. Steve Smith is one, so is Reggie Bush.

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06-13-2006, 07:28 PM	#33
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	is he hate me even in the league anymore??? He was when Steve Smith was returning punts, which was the point. :P

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AllSaints Breakin Records Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Deville, Louisiana Posts: 2,167	He hate me i remeber that guy he returned some on the saints ...........

06-13-2006, 11:28 PM	#35
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	so basically you're telling me that deuce, stallworth, henderson and lewis = gamble and smart on special teams. he hate me signed a one year deal with the raiders this offseason, btw.

06-13-2006, 11:42 PM	#36
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Um, Chris Gamble is as good a returner as any we have. Outside of Reggie. Beerman sucks now, people need to give up that dream. How much weight has Deuce gained? He hasn't returned KICKS since his rookie season, did he ever return punts? We tried Stallworth on punt returns some last season, negative. Henderson has not done it either. So, basically, the choice is not to take out best option at punt returner and have him return, or take a hasbeen, a power back, a guy who did not do so well at it the prior year, or a guy who has never done it, over a guy who excels at it. Awesome. I guess we can get any scmoe to fair catch. Good call. I don't know where he hate me is playing this year has to do with the fact Steve Smith still returned punts when he was in Carolina, but okay.

06-14-2006, 12:53 AM	#37
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	gamble might be as good as anyone on our team at returning punts, but you cannot negate the fact that we have more options than carolina does in that regard. which furthers my belief that there's no need to use bush on punt returns, but okay ever wonder why deuce was limited to kick returns?

06-14-2006, 12:56 AM	#39
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	see who all the time??? bishop???

06-14-2006, 12:59 AM	#40
CHACHING 500th Post Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Golden State Posts: 830	yes.... him and his green caddy..