bush sitting out this yr?

SaintFanInATLHELL · 07-25-2006, 05:03 PM

By substatively more I meant that it couldn't be more in every category. $58M total and $27M guaranteed over 6 years with 1 voidable wouldn't work. But if Bush got $250k more in guaranteed money with less total value, that wouldn't be substatively more, even though it could be construed as a better contract.

SFIAH

saintswhodi · 07-25-2006, 08:29 PM

True. I agree with that.

jergensl · 07-26-2006, 01:22 PM

Coming from a guy who wouldn't sign an autograph for a 6 year old boy with pen in hand........ this does not surprise me. Rolling Eyes

who was that?

spkb25 · 07-26-2006, 01:32 PM

hey ghandi get over it. how long you plan on crying about it. the guy spent 20 minutes with you. be thankful.

jergensl · 07-26-2006, 02:20 PM

holy crap...some people are never satisfied!

i sell cars and one customer i had forgot to take their parking pass sticker off of their old car. i always remind my customers multiple times to check and double check their trade in before driving home in their new car. we sent it to detail before putting it on the used car lot and the detail guy disguarded the sticker. the customer called me 3 days later to get their sticker. she told me it would cost 20 dollars to replace. being the person i am, i sent her a $25 gas card in the mail to help compensate for her own mistake. 3 weeks later i got her survey in and she trashed me. that bad survey cost me $350. i was a nice guy and went above and beyond for a customer and it cost me almost $400.

ghandi,
considering the contract he will soon be signing i am guessing that 20 minutes of his time is probably worth more than a few thousand dollars. you should be lucky that you did not have a bill in the mail when you got home. just because you are a fan does not mean you are entitled to anything.

TheDeuce · 07-26-2006, 02:36 PM

Here's a good article to calm some anxiety a little bit, maybe:

Bush talks 'proceeding on a normal course'
But Saints GM, Bush's agent mum about contract details
Tuesday, July 25, 2006
By Mike Triplett
The Saints' contract talks with tailback Reggie Bush are "proceeding on a normal course," according to General Manager Mickey Loomis.

But, with only two of the NFL's 32 first-round draft picks having signed contracts, the "normal course" almost certainly will take the negotiations into next week, if not longer.

Neither Loomis nor Bush's agent, Joel Segal, would comment on details of the negotiations. But history and common sense dictate that Bush won't be in Jackson, Miss., when the Saints report for training camp Thursday evening.

Last year, seven first-round draft picks had agreed to contracts heading into the first full weekend of NFL training camps. The top five picks in the draft signed on July 26, Aug. 15, Aug. 11, Aug. 29 and July 29, respectively.

A report on Yahoo.com last week cited a league source as saying Bush has toyed with the idea of sitting out the entire season if his contract demands are not met, but that scenario seems unlikely.

Bush, who has already secured several million dollars in national endorsement deals, could risk damaging his popularity if he skips the entire season. And he has already been putting down roots in New Orleans, both through his charity work and the purchase of a $1.8 million riverfront condo downtown.

Still, the Saints certainly won't get off cheaply. Bush was almost universally rated as the No. 1 prospect in April's draft before the Houston Texans made the surprising decision to take defensive end Mario Williams instead. So Bush likely will seek a deal that approaches Williams' six-year, $54 million contract, with a reported $26.5 million in guaranteed money over the first two years.

I have faith that it will get done. This guy is way too important to let him sit out a season because of money.

And actually jergens, I seriously disagree with your statement about fans being entitled to nothing. Sure he might not be "entitled" to an autograph, but fans are what make the NFL run, not the players. Without the fans, nobody would care about the game. Nobody would buy tickets, buy merchandise, there would be nobody to market athletes to, etc. etc. Basically, without the fans, the NFL is nothing. We pay the bills for the stadiums, we pay the players salaries, we pay the coaches salaries, the equipment costs, etc. etc. I don't think every player understands this, when they really should. Fans adore these guys who probably wouldn't be making much more than the national average salary if they weren't athletically gifted, so I think that these guys should feel blessed and lucky and should WANT to give back to the fans in whichever way they see fit. Without the fans, these guys aren't crap; they shouldn't bite the hand that feeds them.

TheDeuce · 07-26-2006, 02:37 PM

O, and here's the link:

http://www.nola.com/sports/t-p/index...320.xml&coll=1

jergensl · 07-26-2006, 03:21 PM

deuce,
my point was that just because someone is a fan does not mean they can demand things from players. they are people just like us who are allowed to have bad days and/or refuse an autograph now and then.

07-26-2006, 02:36 PM	#36
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	Here's a good article to calm some anxiety a little bit, maybe: Bush talks 'proceeding on a normal course' But Saints GM, Bush's agent mum about contract details Tuesday, July 25, 2006 By Mike Triplett The Saints' contract talks with tailback Reggie Bush are "proceeding on a normal course," according to General Manager Mickey Loomis. But, with only two of the NFL's 32 first-round draft picks having signed contracts, the "normal course" almost certainly will take the negotiations into next week, if not longer. Neither Loomis nor Bush's agent, Joel Segal, would comment on details of the negotiations. But history and common sense dictate that Bush won't be in Jackson, Miss., when the Saints report for training camp Thursday evening. Last year, seven first-round draft picks had agreed to contracts heading into the first full weekend of NFL training camps. The top five picks in the draft signed on July 26, Aug. 15, Aug. 11, Aug. 29 and July 29, respectively. A report on Yahoo.com last week cited a league source as saying Bush has toyed with the idea of sitting out the entire season if his contract demands are not met, but that scenario seems unlikely. Bush, who has already secured several million dollars in national endorsement deals, could risk damaging his popularity if he skips the entire season. And he has already been putting down roots in New Orleans, both through his charity work and the purchase of a $1.8 million riverfront condo downtown. Still, the Saints certainly won't get off cheaply. Bush was almost universally rated as the No. 1 prospect in April's draft before the Houston Texans made the surprising decision to take defensive end Mario Williams instead. So Bush likely will seek a deal that approaches Williams' six-year, $54 million contract, with a reported $26.5 million in guaranteed money over the first two years. I have faith that it will get done. This guy is way too important to let him sit out a season because of money. And actually jergens, I seriously disagree with your statement about fans being entitled to nothing. Sure he might not be "entitled" to an autograph, but fans are what make the NFL run, not the players. Without the fans, nobody would care about the game. Nobody would buy tickets, buy merchandise, there would be nobody to market athletes to, etc. etc. Basically, without the fans, the NFL is nothing. We pay the bills for the stadiums, we pay the players salaries, we pay the coaches salaries, the equipment costs, etc. etc. I don't think every player understands this, when they really should. Fans adore these guys who probably wouldn't be making much more than the national average salary if they weren't athletically gifted, so I think that these guys should feel blessed and lucky and should WANT to give back to the fans in whichever way they see fit. Without the fans, these guys aren't crap; they shouldn't bite the hand that feeds them.
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07-25-2006, 05:03 PM	#31
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,773	By substatively more I meant that it couldn't be more in every category. $58M total and $27M guaranteed over 6 years with 1 voidable wouldn't work. But if Bush got $250k more in guaranteed money with less total value, that wouldn't be substatively more, even though it could be construed as a better contract. SFIAH

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jergensl 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Belleview, FL Posts: 526	Coming from a guy who wouldn't sign an autograph for a 6 year old boy with pen in hand........ this does not surprise me. Rolling Eyes who was that?

07-26-2006, 01:32 PM	#34
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,097	hey ghandi get over it. how long you plan on crying about it. the guy spent 20 minutes with you. be thankful.

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jergensl 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Belleview, FL Posts: 526	holy crap...some people are never satisfied! i sell cars and one customer i had forgot to take their parking pass sticker off of their old car. i always remind my customers multiple times to check and double check their trade in before driving home in their new car. we sent it to detail before putting it on the used car lot and the detail guy disguarded the sticker. the customer called me 3 days later to get their sticker. she told me it would cost 20 dollars to replace. being the person i am, i sent her a $25 gas card in the mail to help compensate for her own mistake. 3 weeks later i got her survey in and she trashed me. that bad survey cost me $350. i was a nice guy and went above and beyond for a customer and it cost me almost $400. ghandi, considering the contract he will soon be signing i am guessing that 20 minutes of his time is probably worth more than a few thousand dollars. you should be lucky that you did not have a bill in the mail when you got home. just because you are a fan does not mean you are entitled to anything.

07-26-2006, 03:21 PM	#38
jergensl 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Belleview, FL Posts: 526	deuce, my point was that just because someone is a fan does not mean they can demand things from players. they are people just like us who are allowed to have bad days and/or refuse an autograph now and then.