Brooks Haters Rejoice!

TheDeuce · 09-13-2006, 10:58 AM

Personally, I am loving this thread. I think it's hilarious to hear people try and defend him. The guy has all the talent in the world (athletically speaking), but he's a few turds short of a sh** sandwich (which by the way are his favorite). Anyways, let's consider something. Last season Aaron Brooks was sacked 32 times, in only 13 games, an average of about two and a half times a game. In the offseason, we lost our Pro Bowl center, lost one of our tackles, and also a few other linemen. Most people would say this line actually got worse. In fact, on the Mike and Mike show on ESPN Radio, Mike Golic said the Saints would go 4-12 because there Oline just wasn't good enough. This is the unit that a lot of sportswriters have labeled the weakest unit on the team. Yet, Drew Brees was only sacked once in four preseason games, and not at all in the first game of the season. Coincidence? Maybe. But we were starting a rookie at guard, and a guy who had never started at the right tackle (and a guy who has never played LT in his life). Just as a line can make a QB look good/bad, a quarterback can also make a line look good/bad. Did Brooks have a shoddy line to work with? Yeah. Did he do much to help the situation by backpedaling into the outside rush and being indecisive? No. So what do I think is the realy answer to this thread? AB sucks at feeling the game. Brees does not. Both are playing with unheralded OLines, yet Brees doesn't get sacked and creates. Fact is, AB has never had a good feel for the game, and I don't think he ever will.
Also, Euph, you gave our OLine a "C" in the grades for the game. Interesting, so let me see here, if the OLine was that bad, how did Brees not get sacked? It must have been because he avoided the rush, stepped up in the pocket, threw the ball away, made smart decisions, etc. Funny how a QB can not get sacked even when his OLine is that bad....

TheGambler · 09-13-2006, 11:02 AM

Originally Posted by saintswhodi

I guess i'll ask again: Since the defense for Brooks here was, "Our offensive line is terrible," do terrible offensive lines just follow Brooks? There was SEVERAL times when he DID have a chance to jog 4 yards for a first or complete a pass to Randy freaking Moss and he couldn't. He has NO pocket awareness, has none here, has none there. ALL the rushes came from the outside. Well hell dumb ass, step up into the pocket. Not Arron Brooks, spinaroonie or some such other crap. Yup, there was definitely times where Tom Brady couldn't have gotten the ball off. That's not what makes Brooks suck. It's the times when he DID have time, and could do nothing with it are the reason he sucks. AND he would have had an INT to add to his wonderful night if Marlon Mcree could catch. Face it, AB sucks, he has always sucked, and he always will. I guess if he went to all 32 teams and the offensive lines got bad for all 32, it would never be his fault. Seems to be par for the course for defenders. Surprisingly, or not so much so, immobile Kerry Collins did pretty well behind that line last year. On a team that picked top 10. 20 TDs 12 INT 3759 yards. So yeah, it's not Brooks. Right.

Oh I'm not saying that Brooks is absolved from blame for the zero-point production of the Raiders. I do think, however, that from this point forward anything that will go wrong for the Raiders will be traced to Brooks and ONLY to Brooks by the fans here at this forum, just like it was last year.

This is just one example: If Brooks had thrown that interception in the Cleveland game in the home opener, and the outcome had been the same.........we'd have seen "yeah, Smiley almost gave the game away for us, but thank God we still won". Brees throws the interception, and very little if anything is said.

But enough with that. Now time to mention something positive that stood out to me about our new QB and our new coaching staff.

We are rolling along....kicking our FGs (thank God Carney was on his game)........we have a 9 point lead.......suddenly things get tight, and we only have a 2 point lead...

THESE WERE EXACTLY THE KINDS OF GAMES THEY WOULD LOSE LAST YEAR.....Remember St. Louis? Atlanta? It felt like we dominated those games and yet at the very end we are on the losing end of it. But no. Thanks to some stellar 4th qtr play from Brees, and of course a fortunate bounce on a pass, we were able to seal the deal. That stood out to me, and it definitely promotes optimism for Saints fans.

saintswhodi · 09-13-2006, 12:14 PM

This is just one example: If Brooks had thrown that interception in the Cleveland game in the home opener, and the outcome had been the same.........we'd have seen "yeah, Smiley almost gave the game away for us, but thank God we still won". Brees throws the interception, and very little if anything is said.

I believe why you answered the "why" this would happen in your own post. See the "Smiley almost......" That denotes to me a pattern of behavior someone has seen far too often. In Brooks' first couple years with us when he made those mistakes, people excused it. Then it got old. I don't think one game in a new system for a former pro bowl QB in his prime coming off major shoulder surgery is enough to call out the dogs yet huh? 2-3 years, which was the point I got tired of Brooks, is. Huge difference. Aaron brooks year one here, did no wrong, although he made plenty mistakes. Brees gets that same benefit, 6 years from now if it's the same thing, you'll see these kinda posts.

As far as the rest, I was impressed with the way the D held together after the mistakes also. I even commented as a back up to what someone else said that after Deuce's fumble, we normally would have folder. Granted, this WAS Cleveland, a team that will be a bottom feeder, but it was still good to see. We have been getting beat, or beating ourselves against bottom feeders far too often recently.

RDOX · 09-13-2006, 02:55 PM

'Sup Whodi?

To wade in there. Whodi, you hit the nail on the head. In 2000, I thought that Fumbles the Clown was the hope of the franchise for the next 6-8 years. He was young, mobile, and athletic. He made things happen. Then I began to sour slightly when the next year he made his "demands" to be paid higher money. No Class. The unfortunate part of this was that Hazlett didn't pur him on the road right then and there. Since that debacle Hazlett started the long downhill slide to firing. Brooks, not Hazlett was responsible for this team's poor performance. You see a world of difference between Charles Grant, Brian Young, Will Smith, Deuce, and even Stinchcomb. McKenzie and Fred Thomas have risen a notch. All in all with Brees at the helm and Payton on the sidelines, things are vastly different. Don't kid yourself. If Payton thought that he could salvage Brooks, he'd still be in Black and Gold. But you can't unteach stupidity, laziness, and selfishness, all of the qualities that Funbles possesses. Why do people call this guy "Leon?" Because he represents what "Leon" of Budwiser fame shows. I'm glad he's gone. I'm sad he's still in the NFL because wherever he goes he takes his cancerous attitude and lackidazical work habits with him. Oakland and their fans don't deserve a "Leon." They are absolutely dumbstruck over Fumbles the Clown's performance. I really feel sorry for them. But!!! He has great "STATS!!!"

Madmarsha · 09-13-2006, 04:04 PM

Hey! Totally new to this forum and saw this thread and HAD to check it out. I expected just a lot of bashing but most of you all had very salient points to back up why you hate AB. Of course, there are so very many to pick from. Really agree with the last 2 posts from Whodi and TheGambler. And I'd also like to add that it's WHEN the mistakes are made. AB's not the only one to fumble and whatnot (he does have his own very special brand of backpedaling, tho, that he should patent), but it always seemed to happen at the exact wrong time to do it. Like on third and 1 in the red zone or when he's backed up deep in the other team's territory and they only have steps to go after they've intercepted. It's really hard to love a guy that has so many special ways of screwing up and then laughs and claps his hands together like a barking seal afterwards EVERY SINGLE TIME!

JOESAM2002 · 09-13-2006, 06:15 PM

Welcome aboard Mad. Good to have you around. Diva might get tired of all us guys.

saintfan · 09-13-2006, 06:22 PM

A "Real" woman? Excellent.

Madmarsha · 09-13-2006, 06:44 PM

Yes, yes, a "real" woman with all the proper accoutrement! (Is that what you mean by "real"?) I'm a newbie here, obviously and my husband and I are season ticket virgins (we want to support the Saints specifically and the NO area in general). And what I lack in knowledge of the fundamentals and play calling I hopefully make up for in passion and enthusiam for the Saints and look forward to coming to the BNG forums to learn and to celebrate (hopefully!) with other fans!

saintswhodi · 09-13-2006, 06:46 PM

My ex-wife's name is Marsha. Me no like you. :P

j/k. Welcome aboard.

hagan714 · 09-13-2006, 07:01 PM

do not worry Mad. It is the love for the Saints that counts. Thats why we are still around no matter how far we run. we keep coming back for more. It is like a infection that wont go away. it lasts for 6 months and then the pain goes away and hope returns. we are all waiting for a 1 year break from the pain.
As far as AB goes. he had mental constipation thats all. AGAIN.
At least it was in Black and Silver and not in Black and Gold.

09-13-2006, 10:58 AM	#51
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	Personally, I am loving this thread. I think it's hilarious to hear people try and defend him. The guy has all the talent in the world (athletically speaking), but he's a few turds short of a sh** sandwich (which by the way are his favorite). Anyways, let's consider something. Last season Aaron Brooks was sacked 32 times, in only 13 games, an average of about two and a half times a game. In the offseason, we lost our Pro Bowl center, lost one of our tackles, and also a few other linemen. Most people would say this line actually got worse. In fact, on the Mike and Mike show on ESPN Radio, Mike Golic said the Saints would go 4-12 because there Oline just wasn't good enough. This is the unit that a lot of sportswriters have labeled the weakest unit on the team. Yet, Drew Brees was only sacked once in four preseason games, and not at all in the first game of the season. Coincidence? Maybe. But we were starting a rookie at guard, and a guy who had never started at the right tackle (and a guy who has never played LT in his life). Just as a line can make a QB look good/bad, a quarterback can also make a line look good/bad. Did Brooks have a shoddy line to work with? Yeah. Did he do much to help the situation by backpedaling into the outside rush and being indecisive? No. So what do I think is the realy answer to this thread? AB sucks at feeling the game. Brees does not. Both are playing with unheralded OLines, yet Brees doesn't get sacked and creates. Fact is, AB has never had a good feel for the game, and I don't think he ever will. Also, Euph, you gave our OLine a "C" in the grades for the game. Interesting, so let me see here, if the OLine was that bad, how did Brees not get sacked? It must have been because he avoided the rush, stepped up in the pocket, threw the ball away, made smart decisions, etc. Funny how a QB can not get sacked even when his OLine is that bad....
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09-13-2006, 11:02 AM	#52
TheGambler 500th Post Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 610	Originally Posted by saintswhodi I guess i'll ask again: Since the defense for Brooks here was, "Our offensive line is terrible," do terrible offensive lines just follow Brooks? There was SEVERAL times when he DID have a chance to jog 4 yards for a first or complete a pass to Randy freaking Moss and he couldn't. He has NO pocket awareness, has none here, has none there. ALL the rushes came from the outside. Well hell dumb ass, step up into the pocket. Not Arron Brooks, spinaroonie or some such other crap. Yup, there was definitely times where Tom Brady couldn't have gotten the ball off. That's not what makes Brooks suck. It's the times when he DID have time, and could do nothing with it are the reason he sucks. AND he would have had an INT to add to his wonderful night if Marlon Mcree could catch. Face it, AB sucks, he has always sucked, and he always will. I guess if he went to all 32 teams and the offensive lines got bad for all 32, it would never be his fault. Seems to be par for the course for defenders. Surprisingly, or not so much so, immobile Kerry Collins did pretty well behind that line last year. On a team that picked top 10. 20 TDs 12 INT 3759 yards. So yeah, it's not Brooks. Right. Oh I'm not saying that Brooks is absolved from blame for the zero-point production of the Raiders. I do think, however, that from this point forward anything that will go wrong for the Raiders will be traced to Brooks and ONLY to Brooks by the fans here at this forum, just like it was last year. This is just one example: If Brooks had thrown that interception in the Cleveland game in the home opener, and the outcome had been the same.........we'd have seen "yeah, Smiley almost gave the game away for us, but thank God we still won". Brees throws the interception, and very little if anything is said. But enough with that. Now time to mention something positive that stood out to me about our new QB and our new coaching staff. We are rolling along....kicking our FGs (thank God Carney was on his game)........we have a 9 point lead.......suddenly things get tight, and we only have a 2 point lead... THESE WERE EXACTLY THE KINDS OF GAMES THEY WOULD LOSE LAST YEAR.....Remember St. Louis? Atlanta? It felt like we dominated those games and yet at the very end we are on the losing end of it. But no. Thanks to some stellar 4th qtr play from Brees, and of course a fortunate bounce on a pass, we were able to seal the deal. That stood out to me, and it definitely promotes optimism for Saints fans.
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09-13-2006, 02:55 PM	#54
RDOX 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 264	'Sup Whodi? To wade in there. Whodi, you hit the nail on the head. In 2000, I thought that Fumbles the Clown was the hope of the franchise for the next 6-8 years. He was young, mobile, and athletic. He made things happen. Then I began to sour slightly when the next year he made his "demands" to be paid higher money. No Class. The unfortunate part of this was that Hazlett didn't pur him on the road right then and there. Since that debacle Hazlett started the long downhill slide to firing. Brooks, not Hazlett was responsible for this team's poor performance. You see a world of difference between Charles Grant, Brian Young, Will Smith, Deuce, and even Stinchcomb. McKenzie and Fred Thomas have risen a notch. All in all with Brees at the helm and Payton on the sidelines, things are vastly different. Don't kid yourself. If Payton thought that he could salvage Brooks, he'd still be in Black and Gold. But you can't unteach stupidity, laziness, and selfishness, all of the qualities that Funbles possesses. Why do people call this guy "Leon?" Because he represents what "Leon" of Budwiser fame shows. I'm glad he's gone. I'm sad he's still in the NFL because wherever he goes he takes his cancerous attitude and lackidazical work habits with him. Oakland and their fans don't deserve a "Leon." They are absolutely dumbstruck over Fumbles the Clown's performance. I really feel sorry for them. But!!! He has great "STATS!!!"
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09-13-2006, 12:14 PM	#53
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	This is just one example: If Brooks had thrown that interception in the Cleveland game in the home opener, and the outcome had been the same.........we'd have seen "yeah, Smiley almost gave the game away for us, but thank God we still won". Brees throws the interception, and very little if anything is said. I believe why you answered the "why" this would happen in your own post. See the "Smiley almost......" That denotes to me a pattern of behavior someone has seen far too often. In Brooks' first couple years with us when he made those mistakes, people excused it. Then it got old. I don't think one game in a new system for a former pro bowl QB in his prime coming off major shoulder surgery is enough to call out the dogs yet huh? 2-3 years, which was the point I got tired of Brooks, is. Huge difference. Aaron brooks year one here, did no wrong, although he made plenty mistakes. Brees gets that same benefit, 6 years from now if it's the same thing, you'll see these kinda posts. As far as the rest, I was impressed with the way the D held together after the mistakes also. I even commented as a back up to what someone else said that after Deuce's fumble, we normally would have folder. Granted, this WAS Cleveland, a team that will be a bottom feeder, but it was still good to see. We have been getting beat, or beating ourselves against bottom feeders far too often recently.

09-13-2006, 04:04 PM	#55
Madmarsha Registered Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Section 305 Posts: 97	Hey! Totally new to this forum and saw this thread and HAD to check it out. I expected just a lot of bashing but most of you all had very salient points to back up why you hate AB. Of course, there are so very many to pick from. Really agree with the last 2 posts from Whodi and TheGambler. And I'd also like to add that it's WHEN the mistakes are made. AB's not the only one to fumble and whatnot (he does have his own very special brand of backpedaling, tho, that he should patent), but it always seemed to happen at the exact wrong time to do it. Like on third and 1 in the red zone or when he's backed up deep in the other team's territory and they only have steps to go after they've intercepted. It's really hard to love a guy that has so many special ways of screwing up and then laughs and claps his hands together like a barking seal afterwards EVERY SINGLE TIME!

09-13-2006, 06:15 PM	#56
JOESAM2002 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: CRYSTAL BEACH TEXAS Posts: 4,100	Welcome aboard Mad. Good to have you around. Diva might get tired of all us guys.

09-13-2006, 06:22 PM	#57
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	A "Real" woman? Excellent.

09-13-2006, 06:44 PM	#58
Madmarsha Registered Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Section 305 Posts: 97	Yes, yes, a "real" woman with all the proper accoutrement! (Is that what you mean by "real"?) I'm a newbie here, obviously and my husband and I are season ticket virgins (we want to support the Saints specifically and the NO area in general). And what I lack in knowledge of the fundamentals and play calling I hopefully make up for in passion and enthusiam for the Saints and look forward to coming to the BNG forums to learn and to celebrate (hopefully!) with other fans!

09-13-2006, 06:46 PM	#59
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	My ex-wife's name is Marsha. Me no like you. :P j/k. Welcome aboard.

09-13-2006, 07:01 PM	#60
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	do not worry Mad. It is the love for the Saints that counts. Thats why we are still around no matter how far we run. we keep coming back for more. It is like a infection that wont go away. it lasts for 6 months and then the pain goes away and hope returns. we are all waiting for a 1 year break from the pain. As far as AB goes. he had mental constipation thats all. AGAIN. At least it was in Black and Silver and not in Black and Gold.