Salt in the Wound

mjf150 · 10-06-2006, 09:35 AM

Dr. Z of SI wrote the following in his recent rankings:

New Orleans Saints (3-1)
Will linebacker Scott Fujita be suspended for five games? Yeah, right. I thought that what he did to Panthers star Steve Smith was worse than the Albert Haynesworth stomping thing. What did he do? Took a run at Smith and then took a full running dive at both of his knees, with the ball already gone elsewhere. So why no severe penalty, at least not at this point? Because the NFL, as you know, is into image, and while the image of the Haynesworth incident was an "Oh, my God, how horrible," Fujita's foul, while potentially more dangerous than what Haynesworth did, was on the other side of the field, away from the play, and not noticed by many.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...rt2/index.html

saintswhodi · 10-06-2006, 09:57 AM

Dr Z has increasingly become more of an idiot as time has gone on. A few years back when I first started reading him I had a lot of respect for him, but he now delves so much into wine tasting and incorporating his wife into everything football related it's annoying. The straw that broke the camel's back was his "NFL" preview in July or August. He did a write up on every team in the NFL, except the Saints. So I figured since we were such a huge story, maybe he was gonna give us our own specific write up like Peter King. Wrong. Never did. I e-mailed him several times about it over the course of the next couple of weeks, no response from him or in the mailbag, and no apology to Saints fans. Screw Dr. Z.

LKelley67 · 10-06-2006, 11:26 AM

seriously, I do not understand how some of these guys are so popular. I suppose it is one of my beliefs that the masses just take whatever is fed to them. Like, Kornheiser, he seems to be a nice enough guy, not a wacked a-hole like his partner. But he knows little about the game and players. I would guess a great number of fans on this site could give more creative and insightful views on players and teams than him. Dr. Z rambling about wine, Peter King (who I do like most of his takes) about coffee or his kids sports... I could care less... I want football info- fresh news, thoughtful commentary. It seems continually more fluff and presentation in the media and less substance. Okay, enough rant... and have you noticed that 5-10 minutes of a NFL Live show is either flashy graphics flying around or a preview of what they are going to tell you AGAIN later?

saintswhodi · 10-06-2006, 11:34 AM

and have you noticed that 5-10 minutes of a NFL Live show is either flashy graphics flying around or a preview of what they are going to tell you AGAIN later?

Exactly why I either sleep til about 1130 on Sundays, or take the fame to IHOP until about that same time. I have gotten to that point that I almost can't stand pre-game shows anymore. Just show me the game.

RedNekSaint · 10-06-2006, 11:36 AM

I don't watch the pre-games anymore either. Just cut the tube on about 11:55.

Brann · 10-06-2006, 12:09 PM

The only pre-game show worth watching is the one with Jaws. Everything else is mindless fluff.

TallySaint · 10-06-2006, 12:28 PM

So you want to rant about his wife, wine and kids sports. Kinda the pot calling the kettle black.

No comments about the original post up there?

Homers.

Euphoria · 10-06-2006, 12:35 PM

You got part of the play wrong the ball wasn't even in motion, Jake still had the ball. Looked like Scott wasn't even watching the QB just saw him and took out the knee. When the shot widens out you see Jake is throwing the ball out to his right. I don't think the play deserves a sever penalty, but I did think he was worth taking a look at. If teams start going after players to take them out of the game, then its not football. Its Murder-Ball. There is a thing called class and sportsmanship. I don't think we should compare the 2 plays but we should make notice that it happened twice on the same day... and one was vicious and uncalled for and the other seemed more planned and to take out a player. People can say what they want but its wrong to PURPOSELY take out a player so you have a shot to win. Think if people were trying to take out our players... NOT GOOD.

Brann · 10-06-2006, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by TallySaint

So you want to rant about his wife, wine and kids sports. Kinda the pot calling the kettle black.

No comments about the original post up there?

Homers.

Says the guy who didn't see the other thread with the discussion of the hit.

saintswhodi · 10-06-2006, 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

You got part of the play wrong the ball wasn't even in motion, Jake still had the ball. Looked like Scott wasn't even watching the QB just saw him and took out the knee. When the shot widens out you see Jake is throwing the ball out to his right. I don't think the play deserves a sever penalty, but I did think he was worth taking a look at. If teams start going after players to take them out of the game, then its not football. Its Murder-Ball. There is a thing called class and sportsmanship. I don't think we should compare the 2 plays but we should make notice that it happened twice on the same day... and one was vicious and uncalled for and the other seemed more planned and to take out a player. People can say what they want but its wrong to PURPOSELY take out a player so you have a shot to win. Think if people were trying to take out our players... NOT GOOD.

Except, and here's where you keep missing the boat, FUJITA'S HIT WAS NOT INTENTIONAL. I have talked to fans from other teams, not the Panthers of course, and they ALL said it looks like Scott tripped. Look at his hands when he hits the ground. They are bracing himself to fall, not wrapping up to tackle, which would be the motion if he was trying to hit him below the knees. Get real.

10-06-2006, 09:35 AM	#1
mjf150 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 752	Salt in the Wound Dr. Z of SI wrote the following in his recent rankings: New Orleans Saints (3-1) Will linebacker Scott Fujita be suspended for five games? Yeah, right. I thought that what he did to Panthers star Steve Smith was worse than the Albert Haynesworth stomping thing. What did he do? Took a run at Smith and then took a full running dive at both of his knees, with the ball already gone elsewhere. So why no severe penalty, at least not at this point? Because the NFL, as you know, is into image, and while the image of the Haynesworth incident was an "Oh, my God, how horrible," Fujita's foul, while potentially more dangerous than what Haynesworth did, was on the other side of the field, away from the play, and not noticed by many. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...rt2/index.html
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10-06-2006, 12:35 PM	#8
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	You got part of the play wrong the ball wasn't even in motion, Jake still had the ball. Looked like Scott wasn't even watching the QB just saw him and took out the knee. When the shot widens out you see Jake is throwing the ball out to his right. I don't think the play deserves a sever penalty, but I did think he was worth taking a look at. If teams start going after players to take them out of the game, then its not football. Its Murder-Ball. There is a thing called class and sportsmanship. I don't think we should compare the 2 plays but we should make notice that it happened twice on the same day... and one was vicious and uncalled for and the other seemed more planned and to take out a player. People can say what they want but its wrong to PURPOSELY take out a player so you have a shot to win. Think if people were trying to take out our players... NOT GOOD.
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10-06-2006, 12:55 PM	#9
Brann Ill-tempered Texan Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Pascagoula, MS Posts: 228	Originally Posted by TallySaint So you want to rant about his wife, wine and kids sports. Kinda the pot calling the kettle black. No comments about the original post up there? Homers. Says the guy who didn't see the other thread with the discussion of the hit.

10-06-2006, 01:01 PM	#10
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Originally Posted by Euphoria You got part of the play wrong the ball wasn't even in motion, Jake still had the ball. Looked like Scott wasn't even watching the QB just saw him and took out the knee. When the shot widens out you see Jake is throwing the ball out to his right. I don't think the play deserves a sever penalty, but I did think he was worth taking a look at. If teams start going after players to take them out of the game, then its not football. Its Murder-Ball. There is a thing called class and sportsmanship. I don't think we should compare the 2 plays but we should make notice that it happened twice on the same day... and one was vicious and uncalled for and the other seemed more planned and to take out a player. People can say what they want but its wrong to PURPOSELY take out a player so you have a shot to win. Think if people were trying to take out our players... NOT GOOD. Except, and here's where you keep missing the boat, FUJITA'S HIT WAS NOT INTENTIONAL. I have talked to fans from other teams, not the Panthers of course, and they ALL said it looks like Scott tripped. Look at his hands when he hits the ground. They are bracing himself to fall, not wrapping up to tackle, which would be the motion if he was trying to hit him below the knees. Get real.

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10-06-2006, 09:57 AM	#2
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Dr Z has increasingly become more of an idiot as time has gone on. A few years back when I first started reading him I had a lot of respect for him, but he now delves so much into wine tasting and incorporating his wife into everything football related it's annoying. The straw that broke the camel's back was his "NFL" preview in July or August. He did a write up on every team in the NFL, except the Saints. So I figured since we were such a huge story, maybe he was gonna give us our own specific write up like Peter King. Wrong. Never did. I e-mailed him several times about it over the course of the next couple of weeks, no response from him or in the mailbag, and no apology to Saints fans. Screw Dr. Z.

10-06-2006, 11:26 AM	#3
LKelley67 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: baton rouge Posts: 2,540	seriously, I do not understand how some of these guys are so popular. I suppose it is one of my beliefs that the masses just take whatever is fed to them. Like, Kornheiser, he seems to be a nice enough guy, not a wacked a-hole like his partner. But he knows little about the game and players. I would guess a great number of fans on this site could give more creative and insightful views on players and teams than him. Dr. Z rambling about wine, Peter King (who I do like most of his takes) about coffee or his kids sports... I could care less... I want football info- fresh news, thoughtful commentary. It seems continually more fluff and presentation in the media and less substance. Okay, enough rant... and have you noticed that 5-10 minutes of a NFL Live show is either flashy graphics flying around or a preview of what they are going to tell you AGAIN later?

10-06-2006, 11:34 AM	#4
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	and have you noticed that 5-10 minutes of a NFL Live show is either flashy graphics flying around or a preview of what they are going to tell you AGAIN later? Exactly why I either sleep til about 1130 on Sundays, or take the fame to IHOP until about that same time. I have gotten to that point that I almost can't stand pre-game shows anymore. Just show me the game.

10-06-2006, 11:36 AM	#5
RedNekSaint Registered Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Morgantown, WV Posts: 51	I don't watch the pre-games anymore either. Just cut the tube on about 11:55.

10-06-2006, 12:09 PM	#6
Brann Ill-tempered Texan Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Pascagoula, MS Posts: 228	The only pre-game show worth watching is the one with Jaws. Everything else is mindless fluff.

10-06-2006, 12:28 PM	#7
TallySaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Tallahassee Posts: 1,367	So you want to rant about his wife, wine and kids sports. Kinda the pot calling the kettle black. No comments about the original post up there? Homers.