Joe Horn return

rodjmaw · 05-23-2003, 04:39 AM

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Saints WR agrees to extension

Horn works out with team, ready to be leader to 'young guys'

Friday May 23, 2003

By Brian Allee-Walsh
Staff writer

Saints Pro-Bowl wide receiver Joe Horn ended his two-month contract dispute Thursday, agreeing in principle to a one-year extension that binds him to the team through the 2005 season.

Horn worked out with teammates Thursday for the first time since the team began its off-season conditioning program in mid-March. He boycotted minicamp May 2-4 in protest.

From Our Advertiser

Horn, 31, would not disclose terms of the extension, but sources said it is believed he will receive a $6.8 million signing bonus paid in several installments.

Horn was seeking an average salary during the three-year contract commensurate with the NFL's top 10 highest-paid wide receivers, between $4.5 million and $5.1 million annually.

Horn said he would sign the extension late next week. He had his contract restructured May 31, 2002. League rules prohibit a team from restructuring a player's contract more than once every 12 months.

Horn was scheduled to make base salaries of $2.7 million and $2.9 million in 2003 and 2004.

"Some guys in the league get what they want," Horn said. "Some guys in the league get more than they really deserve. Some guys don't get what they deserve. I'll let (the media) figure out where Joe Horn stands.

"I know this: Joe Horn is happy. I wouldn't have signed off on it if I wasn't happy with it. I'm just happy to be back with all my fellas."

Horn is expected to participate in the team's upcoming "coaching sessions," a series of 14 practices that begin Tuesday and run through June 18.

"This wasn't all about money, because I have money saved and could have stayed out the entire year," said Horn, who has averaged 88 receptions, 1,306 yards and eight touchdowns per season since joining the Saints in 2000. "I wasn't hurting financially.

"It got done because of Jim Haslett, (Saints receivers coach) Hubbard Alexander and my teammates. That's why I did the deal. I wanted to be over there for those young guys. They need a veteran leader, and I'm that guy."

Saints general manager Mickey Loomis was en route to Seattle for the Memorial Day weekend and could not be reached for comment, team spokesman Greg Bensel said.

"I'm glad to get this over with," Horn said. "The only thing I'm upset about is it took so long. I didn't understand why it took so long. I couldn't get that. But it's irrelevant now because I'm back in the fold.

"You can best believe that Joe Horn will not miss a beat over the next three years. I'm going to do what I've been doing the last three years _ show up on Sunday and do what Joe Horn does best; try to get this team to the Super Bowl."

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Brian Allee-Walsh can be reached at ballee-walsh@timespicayune.com or (504) 826-3805.

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[Edited on 23/5/2003 by rodjmaw]

BlackandBlue · 05-23-2003, 09:05 AM

The good news- Horn is back in the fold.

The bad news- Horn now refers to himself in third person, which is never a good sign.

WhoDat · 05-23-2003, 09:06 AM

A one year extension? What?! What the crap is that about? Anyone else puzzled by this. It started off as a 7 year Gazillion dollar contract. Everyone knew he wouldn\'t get it, but I figured 3 years in the area of $20 mill. One year? Great, so we\'ll have to go through this again next off-season, or try to keep him here by outbidding for him on the open-market after \'05?

lumm0x · 05-23-2003, 10:00 AM

The truth of it is, the teams pay for what you can do now, not what you did. The longer Horn waits to get a long term deal, or even by waiting another year or two to get another short deal, the more opportunity is presented for him to possibly never get that far. If his ability starts to fade or he gets hurt, he gets no future deal. This is a coup for the Saints front office financially, a bad move for Horn because it is unlikely his value can increase more than it is now. I\'m just glad he\'s back.

TheChemist · 05-23-2003, 10:41 AM

WhoDat,

Maybe I\'m misunderstanding something in your post or in the article but I think the one year deal is in addition to the two years that was already in his contract. So this is a three year deal that will keep him with the Saints through the 2005-2006 season.

D_it_up · 05-23-2003, 11:37 AM

I agree with lumm0x here. Only adding one more year to the contract pretty much makes Joe have to prove that he\'s going to play at the same level he has over the next 3 seasons. If he is able to after two of those seasons, he may see another extension into 2007. I wouldn\'t expect it to go much further than that, though. The front office did an excellent job in working this out, and Horn may have shot himself in the foot in the long run. That\'s o.k., because we have him back with the team.

Going back to a previous post about the \"anonymous\" guy who commented about the Saints front office not having balls. How does that ****burger taste now? Would you like fries with that?

ejc0921 · 05-23-2003, 11:50 AM

I think this is a tremendous deal made by the front office. It locks Joe Horn for a total of 3 years without tieing up a lot of cap space. If he starts to decline in the next 3 years, no big deal and we can let him go, but if it was a longer contract then we would be eating some of his cap money. By that time Stallworth and the other young receivers will be ready for full time action. Great job GM!!.

TheChemist · 05-23-2003, 12:09 PM

My apologies WhoDat. I\'m now seeing what ya\'ll are are really talking about.

Hey, If that\'s the worst mistake I make, I\'ve got it made.

billyh1026 · 05-23-2003, 12:25 PM

I\'m with you WhoDat..WTF!!!?? I figured we\'d lock him up for 5 years or so. Hell, draftees get 4 yrs at the minimum!! Why does this team always have to be a puzzle. Or maybe Joe just likes to renegotiate his contract every few years. Seems to be a running theme with him.

p.s. when anyone says \"it\'s not about the money\".....trust me, it\'s all about the money..

coastalkid · 05-23-2003, 01:19 PM

I, for one, am glad this is over atleast for now. Joe is by far the best receiver we have and will only make the others better. Joe brings fire and excittment to the team as well as TOUCHDOWNS which is \"the bottom line\". I only wish we had him for 4 to 5 years guaranteed. It is my understanding we now have him for 3 years?? Is this correct? His current deal will expire about the same time as Stallworth\'s??? May be an issue up the road.

05-23-2003, 04:39 AM	#1
rodjmaw 100th Post Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 138	Joe Horn return http://www.nola.com/saints/t-p/index...2943220160.xml FINGERS TO THE BURR :exclam: :exclam: ;) Saints WR agrees to extension Horn works out with team, ready to be leader to 'young guys' Friday May 23, 2003 By Brian Allee-Walsh Staff writer Saints Pro-Bowl wide receiver Joe Horn ended his two-month contract dispute Thursday, agreeing in principle to a one-year extension that binds him to the team through the 2005 season. Horn worked out with teammates Thursday for the first time since the team began its off-season conditioning program in mid-March. He boycotted minicamp May 2-4 in protest. From Our Advertiser Horn, 31, would not disclose terms of the extension, but sources said it is believed he will receive a $6.8 million signing bonus paid in several installments. Horn was seeking an average salary during the three-year contract commensurate with the NFL's top 10 highest-paid wide receivers, between $4.5 million and $5.1 million annually. Horn said he would sign the extension late next week. He had his contract restructured May 31, 2002. League rules prohibit a team from restructuring a player's contract more than once every 12 months. Horn was scheduled to make base salaries of $2.7 million and $2.9 million in 2003 and 2004. "Some guys in the league get what they want," Horn said. "Some guys in the league get more than they really deserve. Some guys don't get what they deserve. I'll let (the media) figure out where Joe Horn stands. "I know this: Joe Horn is happy. I wouldn't have signed off on it if I wasn't happy with it. I'm just happy to be back with all my fellas." Horn is expected to participate in the team's upcoming "coaching sessions," a series of 14 practices that begin Tuesday and run through June 18. "This wasn't all about money, because I have money saved and could have stayed out the entire year," said Horn, who has averaged 88 receptions, 1,306 yards and eight touchdowns per season since joining the Saints in 2000. "I wasn't hurting financially. "It got done because of Jim Haslett, (Saints receivers coach) Hubbard Alexander and my teammates. That's why I did the deal. I wanted to be over there for those young guys. They need a veteran leader, and I'm that guy." Saints general manager Mickey Loomis was en route to Seattle for the Memorial Day weekend and could not be reached for comment, team spokesman Greg Bensel said. "I'm glad to get this over with," Horn said. "The only thing I'm upset about is it took so long. I didn't understand why it took so long. I couldn't get that. But it's irrelevant now because I'm back in the fold. "You can best believe that Joe Horn will not miss a beat over the next three years. I'm going to do what I've been doing the last three years _ show up on Sunday and do what Joe Horn does best; try to get this team to the Super Bowl." . . . . . . . Brian Allee-Walsh can be reached at ballee-walsh@timespicayune.com or (504) 826-3805. ÃƒÂ‚Ã‚Â» Send This Page [Edited on 23/5/2003 by rodjmaw]
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05-23-2003, 09:05 AM	#2
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	Joe Horn return The good news- Horn is back in the fold. The bad news- Horn now refers to himself in third person, which is never a good sign.

05-23-2003, 09:06 AM	#3
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Joe Horn return A one year extension? What?! What the crap is that about? Anyone else puzzled by this. It started off as a 7 year Gazillion dollar contract. Everyone knew he wouldn\'t get it, but I figured 3 years in the area of $20 mill. One year? Great, so we\'ll have to go through this again next off-season, or try to keep him here by outbidding for him on the open-market after \'05?
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05-23-2003, 10:00 AM	#4
lumm0x Resident antediluvian Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,026	Joe Horn return The truth of it is, the teams pay for what you can do now, not what you did. The longer Horn waits to get a long term deal, or even by waiting another year or two to get another short deal, the more opportunity is presented for him to possibly never get that far. If his ability starts to fade or he gets hurt, he gets no future deal. This is a coup for the Saints front office financially, a bad move for Horn because it is unlikely his value can increase more than it is now. I\'m just glad he\'s back.

05-23-2003, 10:41 AM	#5
TheChemist Rookie Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 14	Joe Horn return WhoDat, Maybe I\'m misunderstanding something in your post or in the article but I think the one year deal is in addition to the two years that was already in his contract. So this is a three year deal that will keep him with the Saints through the 2005-2006 season.
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05-23-2003, 11:37 AM	#6
D_it_up Faqda Falcons Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ruston, Louisiana Posts: 3,465 Blog Entries: 3	Joe Horn return I agree with lumm0x here. Only adding one more year to the contract pretty much makes Joe have to prove that he\'s going to play at the same level he has over the next 3 seasons. If he is able to after two of those seasons, he may see another extension into 2007. I wouldn\'t expect it to go much further than that, though. The front office did an excellent job in working this out, and Horn may have shot himself in the foot in the long run. That\'s o.k., because we have him back with the team. Going back to a previous post about the \"anonymous\" guy who commented about the Saints front office not having balls. How does that ****burger taste now? Would you like fries with that?
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05-23-2003, 11:50 AM	#7
ejc0921 Rookie Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 26	Joe Horn return I think this is a tremendous deal made by the front office. It locks Joe Horn for a total of 3 years without tieing up a lot of cap space. If he starts to decline in the next 3 years, no big deal and we can let him go, but if it was a longer contract then we would be eating some of his cap money. By that time Stallworth and the other young receivers will be ready for full time action. Great job GM!!.
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05-23-2003, 12:09 PM	#8
TheChemist Rookie Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 14	Joe Horn return My apologies WhoDat. I\'m now seeing what ya\'ll are are really talking about. Hey, If that\'s the worst mistake I make, I\'ve got it made.
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05-23-2003, 12:25 PM	#9
billyh1026 100th Post Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 213	Joe Horn return I\'m with you WhoDat..WTF!!!?? I figured we\'d lock him up for 5 years or so. Hell, draftees get 4 yrs at the minimum!! Why does this team always have to be a puzzle. Or maybe Joe just likes to renegotiate his contract every few years. Seems to be a running theme with him. p.s. when anyone says \"it\'s not about the money\".....trust me, it\'s all about the money..
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05-23-2003, 01:19 PM	#10
coastalkid 100th Post Join Date: May 2003 Location: Spain Posts: 287	Joe Horn return I, for one, am glad this is over atleast for now. Joe is by far the best receiver we have and will only make the others better. Joe brings fire and excittment to the team as well as TOUCHDOWNS which is \"the bottom line\". I only wish we had him for 4 to 5 years guaranteed. It is my understanding we now have him for 3 years?? Is this correct? His current deal will expire about the same time as Stallworth\'s??? May be an issue up the road.