I wish we had access to the coaches' tapes

SaintFanInATLHELL · 11-12-2006, 09:19 AM

I just got finished watching NFL Matchup this morning. They spent several segments breaking down runs for LT and LJ among others.

With the coaches tape you really get an opportunity to see how the blocking scheme sets up for runs and why plays work and why they break down.

We've spent a lot of time here talking about why Bush hasn't been successful in the run game. But it's clear to me know that without the coaches tape, it's difficult to understand why plays break down.

The crew points out how great backs use counters and misdirection to make successful plays. They also talked about how the blocking scheme sets up natural lanes to run through. Finally they pointed out that plays require patience by the back and trust in the blocking scheme in order to be successful.

Man I wish we had access to the Saints coaches' tapes. Then maybe we could see what's really going wrong with the Saints run game especially with respect to Bush (and truthfully lately to Duece too.)

SFIAH

NarwhalHunter · 11-12-2006, 10:35 AM

Well, for one, the run blocking has simply been atrocious. Yes, it's fine to point out the big hole Reggie missed the other week over and over, but that might have been one of about 3 he saw all game. Even Deuce has had problems with it, but since he is more of a downhill power runner, he can bust through the line a little better. Or, for a more fun analogy, Deuce is a bowling ball, Reggie is a pinball.

The other thing is that at least one guy on the D is spying Reggie anytime he's out there. Seriously, watch anytime they go play-action to him and see how much space the safeties end up giving our receivers. It's funny how people can talk trash about his numbers, and yet they would be the same to jump up and down and act like they won the Superbowl if one of their guys tackles him. Still can't believe Bart Scott got away with his little 'Hot Sauce' comment.

And, yes, a lot of it is simply that Reggie has never really ran in a system behind blockers before. He is a one of a kind talent and so far has been able to just use his natural abilities to juke and outrun everyone else on the field. His learning curve is going to be a little different than most other backs, but I have no doubt that Coach Payton is up to the challenge. If he can help no-names like Marion Barber and Julius Jones, as well as get Tiki Barber to perform at a consistent All-Pro level, he can definitely help Reggie. I'm also hoping Strief does well again this week if he plays. A monster like that should definitely help in the running game, and anyone is better than Stenchcomb at this point.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 11-12-2006, 11:57 AM

Originally Posted by NarwhalHunter

Well, for one, the run blocking has simply been atrocious. Yes, it's fine to point out the big hole Reggie missed the other week over and over, but that might have been one of about 3 he saw all game. Even Deuce has had problems with it, but since he is more of a downhill power runner, he can bust through the line a little better. Or, for a more fun analogy, Deuce is a bowling ball, Reggie is a pinball.

Exactly the reason I'd love to have access to the coaches tape. It's difficult to understand the run blocking when you see a play from the side. The end zone view give a clearer view of what's going on.

The other thing is that at least one guy on the D is spying Reggie anytime he's out there. Seriously, watch anytime they go play-action to him and see how much space the safeties end up giving our receivers.

So the question is who's responsible for the spy. Should the scheme account for the guy or is it Reggie's responsibility?

I don't even pretend to have answers. I'm just asking the questions.

It's funny how people can talk trash about his numbers, and yet they would be the same to jump up and down and act like they won the Superbowl if one of their guys tackles him. Still can't believe Bart Scott got away with his little 'Hot Sauce' comment.

I'm not trying to trash his numbers personally. I guess I just feel that Reggie has the talent of other elite runners in the NFL. So the lack of success in the run game is due to some collection of factors. I think we've outlined some of them in this post. The question is how to fix it and get the guy going.

And, yes, a lot of it is simply that Reggie has never really ran in a system behind blockers before. He is a one of a kind talent and so far has been able to just use his natural abilities to juke and outrun everyone else on the field.

I think that's the general feeling. From what I can see it seems that Reggie stops his feet in the backfield and that it's killing all of his momentum. Also it seems that he continues to try to find the edge and then cut. But in the NFL that edge is closed to business most of the time.

His learning curve is going to be a little different than most other backs, but I have no doubt that Coach Payton is up to the challenge. If he can help no-names like Marion Barber and Julius Jones, as well as get Tiki Barber to perform at a consistent All-Pro level, he can definitely help Reggie.

So what I don't understand is why Payton doesn't scheme for Reggie's strengths. Or more importantly scheme for the defense's expectations. It looks like defenses are killing themselves to close the edge to Reggie. So why not scheme blocking for misdirection and cutbacks.

I can't figure out if the problem is scheme or execution or a combination of both.

I'm also hoping Strief does well again this week if he plays. A monster like that should definitely help in the running game, and anyone is better than Stenchcomb at this point.

Brown is back. There is no indication that Stinchcomb is anywhere near giving up his RT position. Reggie (or Duece for that matter) can't seem to run left, right, middle, cutback, or frankly anywhere else on the field. Is run blocking that bad all the way across the line? Or are defensive coordinators simply so stupid that they'll do anything to stop the run and let Brees, Colston, Henderson, and yes Reggie Bush simply continue to kill them in the pass game. Brees has 9 TDs in the last 3 games. If they continue to let him throw the ball like that in order to stop the run, the Saints may end up 14-2.

SFIAH

11-12-2006, 09:19 AM	#1
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,776	I wish we had access to the coaches' tapes I just got finished watching NFL Matchup this morning. They spent several segments breaking down runs for LT and LJ among others. With the coaches tape you really get an opportunity to see how the blocking scheme sets up for runs and why plays work and why they break down. We've spent a lot of time here talking about why Bush hasn't been successful in the run game. But it's clear to me know that without the coaches tape, it's difficult to understand why plays break down. The crew points out how great backs use counters and misdirection to make successful plays. They also talked about how the blocking scheme sets up natural lanes to run through. Finally they pointed out that plays require patience by the back and trust in the blocking scheme in order to be successful. Man I wish we had access to the Saints coaches' tapes. Then maybe we could see what's really going wrong with the Saints run game especially with respect to Bush (and truthfully lately to Duece too.) SFIAH
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11-12-2006, 10:35 AM	#2
NarwhalHunter 100th Post Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Hattiesburger with Cheese Posts: 146 Blog Entries: 1	RE: I wish we had access to the coaches Well, for one, the run blocking has simply been atrocious. Yes, it's fine to point out the big hole Reggie missed the other week over and over, but that might have been one of about 3 he saw all game. Even Deuce has had problems with it, but since he is more of a downhill power runner, he can bust through the line a little better. Or, for a more fun analogy, Deuce is a bowling ball, Reggie is a pinball. The other thing is that at least one guy on the D is spying Reggie anytime he's out there. Seriously, watch anytime they go play-action to him and see how much space the safeties end up giving our receivers. It's funny how people can talk trash about his numbers, and yet they would be the same to jump up and down and act like they won the Superbowl if one of their guys tackles him. Still can't believe Bart Scott got away with his little 'Hot Sauce' comment. And, yes, a lot of it is simply that Reggie has never really ran in a system behind blockers before. He is a one of a kind talent and so far has been able to just use his natural abilities to juke and outrun everyone else on the field. His learning curve is going to be a little different than most other backs, but I have no doubt that Coach Payton is up to the challenge. If he can help no-names like Marion Barber and Julius Jones, as well as get Tiki Barber to perform at a consistent All-Pro level, he can definitely help Reggie. I'm also hoping Strief does well again this week if he plays. A monster like that should definitely help in the running game, and anyone is better than Stenchcomb at this point.

11-12-2006, 11:57 AM	#3
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,776	Re: RE: I wish we had access to the coaches Originally Posted by NarwhalHunter Well, for one, the run blocking has simply been atrocious. Yes, it's fine to point out the big hole Reggie missed the other week over and over, but that might have been one of about 3 he saw all game. Even Deuce has had problems with it, but since he is more of a downhill power runner, he can bust through the line a little better. Or, for a more fun analogy, Deuce is a bowling ball, Reggie is a pinball. Exactly the reason I'd love to have access to the coaches tape. It's difficult to understand the run blocking when you see a play from the side. The end zone view give a clearer view of what's going on. The other thing is that at least one guy on the D is spying Reggie anytime he's out there. Seriously, watch anytime they go play-action to him and see how much space the safeties end up giving our receivers. So the question is who's responsible for the spy. Should the scheme account for the guy or is it Reggie's responsibility? I don't even pretend to have answers. I'm just asking the questions. It's funny how people can talk trash about his numbers, and yet they would be the same to jump up and down and act like they won the Superbowl if one of their guys tackles him. Still can't believe Bart Scott got away with his little 'Hot Sauce' comment. I'm not trying to trash his numbers personally. I guess I just feel that Reggie has the talent of other elite runners in the NFL. So the lack of success in the run game is due to some collection of factors. I think we've outlined some of them in this post. The question is how to fix it and get the guy going. And, yes, a lot of it is simply that Reggie has never really ran in a system behind blockers before. He is a one of a kind talent and so far has been able to just use his natural abilities to juke and outrun everyone else on the field. I think that's the general feeling. From what I can see it seems that Reggie stops his feet in the backfield and that it's killing all of his momentum. Also it seems that he continues to try to find the edge and then cut. But in the NFL that edge is closed to business most of the time. His learning curve is going to be a little different than most other backs, but I have no doubt that Coach Payton is up to the challenge. If he can help no-names like Marion Barber and Julius Jones, as well as get Tiki Barber to perform at a consistent All-Pro level, he can definitely help Reggie. So what I don't understand is why Payton doesn't scheme for Reggie's strengths. Or more importantly scheme for the defense's expectations. It looks like defenses are killing themselves to close the edge to Reggie. So why not scheme blocking for misdirection and cutbacks. I can't figure out if the problem is scheme or execution or a combination of both. I'm also hoping Strief does well again this week if he plays. A monster like that should definitely help in the running game, and anyone is better than Stenchcomb at this point. Brown is back. There is no indication that Stinchcomb is anywhere near giving up his RT position. Reggie (or Duece for that matter) can't seem to run left, right, middle, cutback, or frankly anywhere else on the field. Is run blocking that bad all the way across the line? Or are defensive coordinators simply so stupid that they'll do anything to stop the run and let Brees, Colston, Henderson, and yes Reggie Bush simply continue to kill them in the pass game. Brees has 9 TDs in the last 3 games. If they continue to let him throw the ball like that in order to stop the run, the Saints may end up 14-2. SFIAH
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