At least Craft wasn't the worse DB today...

saintsrule · 11-20-2006, 01:49 AM

Why are people blaming the defense for these last three loses(Ravens, Steelers, and Bengals)? The offense was the problem in these games. And why does Drew Brees not get dissed for throwing these three ints? He lost this game.

progress · 11-20-2006, 01:50 AM

Fred Thomas burnt? I'm sure it looked that way on television, but I think someone is forgetting that there is this position called "safety" and that player is responsible for covering over the top. Neither of Johnson's long TDs were Thomas's fault. Does anyone really think the coaching staff would leave Fred Thomas out on an island covering Chad Johnson?

GoldRush26 · 11-20-2006, 01:55 AM

Originally Posted by saintsrule

Why are people blaming the defense for these last three loses(Ravens, Steelers, and Bengals)? The offense was the problem in these games. And why does Drew Brees not get dissed for throwing these three ints? He lost this game.

Are you kidding me? Did you not read the first 3 or 4 posts in this thread?

TallySaint · 11-20-2006, 12:29 PM

Why are people blaming the defense for these last three loses(Ravens, Steelers, and Bengals)? The offense was the problem in these games. And why does Drew Brees not get dissed for throwing these three ints? He lost this game.

Are you kidding me? Did you not read the first 3 or 4 posts in this thread?

Saintsrule didn't say everyone. Most here are chiming in on the pass coverage. Which thread are you reading, GoldRush?

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Euphoria · 11-20-2006, 12:53 PM

Hey Safties were to blame from mental errors as well... but Thomas got into position once the WR broke and then stops, the WR takes off and Thomas sits there WTF. Horrible job on all of them, but he took the cake that day.

BooBirdSaint · 11-20-2006, 12:55 PM

Thin damn thin... almost invisible is how I'd characterise our seconday. Lets hope they get inspired in the second half of the season.

papz · 11-20-2006, 02:42 PM

1 sack and 0 safety help had a lot to do with what went wrong Sunday. Horrible schemes... the defensive gameplan gets an F. Face it, not many corners in this league can stick Chad Johnson 1 on 1. I thought Thomas did the best he could... give him a break.

redjem25 · 11-20-2006, 03:23 PM

Speaking of safetys, where is Bellamy?

MatthewT · 11-20-2006, 05:44 PM

I am not down on Fred Thomas. No one can really expect him to cover Chad Johnson. What I don't get is why wasn't Mike McKenzie the one getting burned by Chad Johnson? Isn't it common knowledge that the best CB on a team plays the best WR for the other team? I agree that the safeties did suck, and did not provide any support for Thomas during the game. The Saints also need a better pass rush if they expect to start slowing some teams down. The lack of depth is killing the Saints defense, they look to wear down in the 2nd half of most games played this year.

hagan714 · 11-20-2006, 05:47 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

Hey Safties were to blame from mental errors as well... but Thomas got into position once the WR broke and then stops, the WR takes off and Thomas sits there WTF. Horrible job on all of them, but he took the cake that day.

Fred definitly had no giddy up gear thats for sure. Safities were to blame big time. When the QB breaks containment and the WR is on an shallow out route it is the CB job to move in front and pick up the running lane after the QB is past the line. The safety is suppose to roll over up top and pick up the "go" route. We got suckered. both set up to stop the run. I have only one thing to say.
WTF
LET CHAD JOHNSON GO FREE SO A ONE LEGGED CARLSON DOES NOT RUN ON YOU???????????????????????????????
STUPID STUPID STUPID STUPID STUPID STUPID STUPID

11-20-2006, 01:49 AM	#11
saintsrule 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 657	Why are people blaming the defense for these last three loses(Ravens, Steelers, and Bengals)? The offense was the problem in these games. And why does Drew Brees not get dissed for throwing these three ints? He lost this game.
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11-20-2006, 01:50 AM	#12
progress 100th Post Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 114	Fred Thomas burnt? I'm sure it looked that way on television, but I think someone is forgetting that there is this position called "safety" and that player is responsible for covering over the top. Neither of Johnson's long TDs were Thomas's fault. Does anyone really think the coaching staff would leave Fred Thomas out on an island covering Chad Johnson?
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11-20-2006, 01:55 AM	#13
GoldRush26 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 594	Originally Posted by saintsrule Why are people blaming the defense for these last three loses(Ravens, Steelers, and Bengals)? The offense was the problem in these games. And why does Drew Brees not get dissed for throwing these three ints? He lost this game. Are you kidding me? Did you not read the first 3 or 4 posts in this thread?
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11-20-2006, 12:29 PM	#14
TallySaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Tallahassee Posts: 1,367	Why are people blaming the defense for these last three loses(Ravens, Steelers, and Bengals)? The offense was the problem in these games. And why does Drew Brees not get dissed for throwing these three ints? He lost this game. Are you kidding me? Did you not read the first 3 or 4 posts in this thread? Saintsrule didn't say everyone. Most here are chiming in on the pass coverage. Which thread are you reading, GoldRush? 8)

11-20-2006, 05:47 PM	#20
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Originally Posted by Euphoria Hey Safties were to blame from mental errors as well... but Thomas got into position once the WR broke and then stops, the WR takes off and Thomas sits there WTF. Horrible job on all of them, but he took the cake that day. Fred definitly had no giddy up gear thats for sure. Safities were to blame big time. When the QB breaks containment and the WR is on an shallow out route it is the CB job to move in front and pick up the running lane after the QB is past the line. The safety is suppose to roll over up top and pick up the "go" route. We got suckered. both set up to stop the run. I have only one thing to say. WTF LET CHAD JOHNSON GO FREE SO A ONE LEGGED CARLSON DOES NOT RUN ON YOU??????????????????????????????? STUPID STUPID STUPID STUPID STUPID STUPID STUPID

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Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Hey Safties were to blame from mental errors as well... but Thomas got into position once the WR broke and then stops, the WR takes off and Thomas sits there WTF. Horrible job on all of them, but he took the cake that day.

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papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,744	1 sack and 0 safety help had a lot to do with what went wrong Sunday. Horrible schemes... the defensive gameplan gets an F. Face it, not many corners in this league can stick Chad Johnson 1 on 1. I thought Thomas did the best he could... give him a break.

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redjem25 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: New Orleans Posts: 203	Speaking of safetys, where is Bellamy?

11-20-2006, 05:44 PM	#19
MatthewT 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 2,729	I am not down on Fred Thomas. No one can really expect him to cover Chad Johnson. What I don't get is why wasn't Mike McKenzie the one getting burned by Chad Johnson? Isn't it common knowledge that the best CB on a team plays the best WR for the other team? I agree that the safeties did suck, and did not provide any support for Thomas during the game. The Saints also need a better pass rush if they expect to start slowing some teams down. The lack of depth is killing the Saints defense, they look to wear down in the 2nd half of most games played this year.