Adalius Thomas,

Brann · 01-28-2007, 02:17 PM

I honestly think Shanle would benefit greatly from playing with a stud MLB. He was a solid guy who did make some plays, and he'll be cheap. What's the word on Boss Bailey?

pakowitz · 01-28-2007, 03:46 PM

i wonder why no one thinks he will be franchised...

DJLengai · 01-29-2007, 01:20 PM

You guys forgot something. We were the #2 seed in the NFC and reached the Championship game. With defensive help our team will be stronger for a Superbowl run. Going to a winning franchise will be a factor for Adalius. SF has a couple of years before they are ready.

Can he be a dominant MLB? Are you serious? How could you possibly doubt that? He's the best overall LB the Ravens have. I don't think they'll tag him becuase they still have a great D and need help on O.

We can't win a straight up bidding war with SF, but we are a better team focusing on making the playoffs next year. Adalius is also from the South and is a known player now. I'd say if we want him and offer him a good contact he'll be here and he will be an animal at MLB.

Brann · 01-29-2007, 01:22 PM

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have him here. I'm just not confident that the team will go after him or if he'll come to the Saints.

TheDeuce · 01-29-2007, 02:23 PM

Originally Posted by DJLengai

You guys forgot something. We were the #2 seed in the NFC and reached the Championship game. With defensive help our team will be stronger for a Superbowl run. Going to a winning franchise will be a factor for Adalius. SF has a couple of years before they are ready.

Can he be a dominant MLB? Are you serious? How could you possibly doubt that? He's the best overall LB the Ravens have. I don't think they'll tag him becuase they still have a great D and need help on O.

We can't win a straight up bidding war with SF, but we are a better team focusing on making the playoffs next year. Adalius is also from the South and is a known player now. I'd say if we want him and offer him a good contact he'll be here and he will be an animal at MLB.

How could i doubt that? Hmmmm.... let's see. He's never had more than 86 tackles, in 7 seasons. He's never been "the man" on defense, he's always had better players on his teams for opposing offensive coordinators to worry about; thus effectively taking the spotlight off of him. If you don't agree with this, then you apparently haven't been watching football, because the Ravens have had 3 Defensive MVP's in those 7 years Thomas has been on the team, and those guys are still there. Ray Lewis, for years, has been considered the best linebacker of his generation. Ed Reed is a playmaker plain and simple. Then you've got guys like Terrell Suggs, Chirs McAllister, Bart Scott, Haloti Ngata, and others and that's a lot of guys to worry about. If you were an offensive coordinator over the last seven years and you had to play the Ravens, who would you double team? Ray Lewis or Adalius Thomas? Everyone with a brain knows it's Ray Lewis; HOF Ray Lewis.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Thomas isn't a very good player, because I do think he is. And yes, I'd like to see him as a Saint, but there are other guys from this FA season that I'd rather see us go after like Nate Clements. Perhaps Adalius Thomas' greatest assets is his versatility. He can line up all over the field as a DE, OLB, and occassionally a MLB. But he's not a MLB. He's an edge rusher. In case you haven't noticed, the Ravens do have that HOF MLB: Ray Lewis. Versatility is nice, but it isn't what we need. We need a guy for the middle of that defense, a true MLB, and Thomas ain't it. We've got Fujita and Shanle on the outside, both who are good players. Also, in case you haven't noticed, Thomas plays in a 46 defense which allows him to be primarily an edge rusher. The 46 relies heavily on defensive tackles collapsing the middle of the line in order to free up the rushing linebackers. We don't run that kind of defense. It's basically a 3-4 on steroids (but with an extra DT), but the Ravens can afford to run it because half of their secondary is All-World. Anyways, I like Thomas, I think he's a playmaker, but I also think, to some extent, he's a product of the system and the players around him.

DJLengai · 01-29-2007, 02:47 PM

We need a guy for the middle of that defense, a true MLB, and Thomas ain't it. We've got Fujita and Shanle on the outside, both who are good players. Also, in case you haven't noticed, Thomas plays in a 46 defense which allows him to be primarily an edge rusher.

Are you actually serious or did you fall and hit your head on something? Adalius plays all over becuase he is the best Ravens' LB and doesn't play the middle (excpet when Lewis is injured) becuase Ray can't play like Thomas.

pakowitz · 01-29-2007, 03:25 PM

Originally Posted by TheDeuce

Originally Posted by DJLengai

You guys forgot something. We were the #2 seed in the NFC and reached the Championship game. With defensive help our team will be stronger for a Superbowl run. Going to a winning franchise will be a factor for Adalius. SF has a couple of years before they are ready.

Can he be a dominant MLB? Are you serious? How could you possibly doubt that? He's the best overall LB the Ravens have. I don't think they'll tag him becuase they still have a great D and need help on O.

We can't win a straight up bidding war with SF, but we are a better team focusing on making the playoffs next year. Adalius is also from the South and is a known player now. I'd say if we want him and offer him a good contact he'll be here and he will be an animal at MLB.

How could i doubt that? Hmmmm.... let's see. He's never had more than 86 tackles, in 7 seasons. He's never been "the man" on defense, he's always had better players on his teams for opposing offensive coordinators to worry about; thus effectively taking the spotlight off of him. If you don't agree with this, then you apparently haven't been watching football, because the Ravens have had 3 Defensive MVP's in those 7 years Thomas has been on the team, and those guys are still there. Ray Lewis, for years, has been considered the best linebacker of his generation. Ed Reed is a playmaker plain and simple. Then you've got guys like Terrell Suggs, Chirs McAllister, Bart Scott, Haloti Ngata, and others and that's a lot of guys to worry about. If you were an offensive coordinator over the last seven years and you had to play the Ravens, who would you double team? Ray Lewis or Adalius Thomas? Everyone with a brain knows it's Ray Lewis; HOF Ray Lewis.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Thomas isn't a very good player, because I do think he is. And yes, I'd like to see him as a Saint, but there are other guys from this FA season that I'd rather see us go after like Nate Clements. Perhaps Adalius Thomas' greatest assets is his versatility. He can line up all over the field as a DE, OLB, and occassionally a MLB. But he's not a MLB. He's an edge rusher. In case you haven't noticed, the Ravens do have that HOF MLB: Ray Lewis. Versatility is nice, but it isn't what we need. We need a guy for the middle of that defense, a true MLB, and Thomas ain't it. We've got Fujita and Shanle on the outside, both who are good players. Also, in case you haven't noticed, Thomas plays in a 46 defense which allows him to be primarily an edge rusher. The 46 relies heavily on defensive tackles collapsing the middle of the line in order to free up the rushing linebackers. We don't run that kind of defense. It's basically a 3-4 on steroids (but with an extra DT), but the Ravens can afford to run it because half of their secondary is All-World. Anyways, I like Thomas, I think he's a playmaker, but I also think, to some extent, he's a product of the system and the players around him.

excellent post... agree totally

duece4pres · 01-29-2007, 04:37 PM

Don't forget his roots. He was born in Bama and played ball at the greatest school of all, Southern Miss. He might want to play close to home

lumm0x · 01-29-2007, 04:40 PM

Alot of good posts on Thomas. I agree he would be a welcome versatile option, but we have bigger needs for the kind of money it would take to get him. If he fell in our laps somehow I would not be upset, but we cannot afford to be a bidder in a game for him.

TheDeuce · 01-29-2007, 06:40 PM

Originally Posted by DJLengai

We need a guy for the middle of that defense, a true MLB, and Thomas ain't it. We've got Fujita and Shanle on the outside, both who are good players. Also, in case you haven't noticed, Thomas plays in a 46 defense which allows him to be primarily an edge rusher.

Are you actually serious or did you fall and hit your head on something? Adalius plays all over becuase he is the best Ravens' LB and doesn't play the middle (excpet when Lewis is injured) becuase Ray can't play like Thomas.

Wow, that's one of the most ludicrous things I've heard in a while on this board. The best LB on the Ravens is Adalius Thomas? Really? How do you figure? Because he had 20 less tackles than Ray Lewis AND Bart Scott? Because he had fewer interceptions than Ray Lewis AND Bart Scott? Because he had less pass deflections than Ray Lewis AND Bart Scott? Because he didn't have any forced fumbles, but Lewis did? Oh I guess I see why... because he had 11.5 sacks. Is that why he's "the best" linebacker on the team? Sure, 11.5 sacks is extremely impressive (fyi, it was 2nd best on the team), but I think that has more to do with the position that he plays than truly how "great" he is. Like I explained in my previous post, the 46 defense that Baltimore runs allows these OLBs to rush off the edge because they've got big uglies in the middle collapsing the middle of the line and 2 DEs who are also bringing pressure. They can't block everybody, so guys like Thomas are going to have oppportunities to get to the QB. That's the reason why Bart Scott (another LB, who happened to have 20 more tackles, more interceptions, more TFL, and more pass deflections) only had 1.5 sacks less than Thomas (9.5). Hell I could make a point that Bart Scott is better than Thomas, but I don't necessarily believe that it would be completely correct (even though statistically he had a much better year). But you seem to have been missing the points of my posts in their entirety. Don't just look at the part where I talk about him being a product of his teammates and the system he plays in... look at the other stuff I'm saying. I'm saying he's a very good player. He's probably the most versatile player in the NFL. I'm saying I'd like to see him in black and gold. But what you apparently don't get is that we have bigger needs (CB for one), and it's also my humble opinion that if we're going to go out and get a linebacker, why not get one who addresses a need? Do we need a guy who can play OLB, DE, MLB, Safety, CB, waterboy, popcorn guy, and mascot? No!!!!! Here' my point!!!!! We have Fujita and Shanle who are two very solid OLBs. We don't have a very good MLB. Thomas is not a MLB. Plain and simple. If you want to argue, you're wasting your time and perhaps more importantly, my time, because you're just plain wrong. The guy is an outside LB, a rushing linebacker, and a very good one, but he doesn't belong at the LB, and the Ravens know this. That's why they have Ray Lewis there, in case you haven't noticed.

Oh and by the way... you're right, I guess Ray Lewis STARTS AT MIDDLE LINEBACKER because he's WORSE than Adlius Thomas. That makes a lot of sense. If Adalius Thomas is the best MLB on the team, I'm sure Rex Ryan sits there and thinks "Hmmmm.... I've got an idea, let's move our best MLB (Adalius Thomas) all over the field to unnatural positions because Ray Lewis is worse than him. I think I'd rather have a worse MLB play there." I think the reason Ray plays MLB is because he's the best MLB on that squad. You can try and argue that, but I'll trust Rex Ryan because that's where he says Ray Lewis should play and he's the one with a top 5 defense year in and year out.

01-29-2007, 01:20 PM	#13
DJLengai 100th Post Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 168	You guys forgot something. We were the #2 seed in the NFC and reached the Championship game. With defensive help our team will be stronger for a Superbowl run. Going to a winning franchise will be a factor for Adalius. SF has a couple of years before they are ready. Can he be a dominant MLB? Are you serious? How could you possibly doubt that? He's the best overall LB the Ravens have. I don't think they'll tag him becuase they still have a great D and need help on O. We can't win a straight up bidding war with SF, but we are a better team focusing on making the playoffs next year. Adalius is also from the South and is a known player now. I'd say if we want him and offer him a good contact he'll be here and he will be an animal at MLB.
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01-29-2007, 02:23 PM	#15
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	Originally Posted by DJLengai You guys forgot something. We were the #2 seed in the NFC and reached the Championship game. With defensive help our team will be stronger for a Superbowl run. Going to a winning franchise will be a factor for Adalius. SF has a couple of years before they are ready. Can he be a dominant MLB? Are you serious? How could you possibly doubt that? He's the best overall LB the Ravens have. I don't think they'll tag him becuase they still have a great D and need help on O. We can't win a straight up bidding war with SF, but we are a better team focusing on making the playoffs next year. Adalius is also from the South and is a known player now. I'd say if we want him and offer him a good contact he'll be here and he will be an animal at MLB. How could i doubt that? Hmmmm.... let's see. He's never had more than 86 tackles, in 7 seasons. He's never been "the man" on defense, he's always had better players on his teams for opposing offensive coordinators to worry about; thus effectively taking the spotlight off of him. If you don't agree with this, then you apparently haven't been watching football, because the Ravens have had 3 Defensive MVP's in those 7 years Thomas has been on the team, and those guys are still there. Ray Lewis, for years, has been considered the best linebacker of his generation. Ed Reed is a playmaker plain and simple. Then you've got guys like Terrell Suggs, Chirs McAllister, Bart Scott, Haloti Ngata, and others and that's a lot of guys to worry about. If you were an offensive coordinator over the last seven years and you had to play the Ravens, who would you double team? Ray Lewis or Adalius Thomas? Everyone with a brain knows it's Ray Lewis; HOF Ray Lewis. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Thomas isn't a very good player, because I do think he is. And yes, I'd like to see him as a Saint, but there are other guys from this FA season that I'd rather see us go after like Nate Clements. Perhaps Adalius Thomas' greatest assets is his versatility. He can line up all over the field as a DE, OLB, and occassionally a MLB. But he's not a MLB. He's an edge rusher. In case you haven't noticed, the Ravens do have that HOF MLB: Ray Lewis. Versatility is nice, but it isn't what we need. We need a guy for the middle of that defense, a true MLB, and Thomas ain't it. We've got Fujita and Shanle on the outside, both who are good players. Also, in case you haven't noticed, Thomas plays in a 46 defense which allows him to be primarily an edge rusher. The 46 relies heavily on defensive tackles collapsing the middle of the line in order to free up the rushing linebackers. We don't run that kind of defense. It's basically a 3-4 on steroids (but with an extra DT), but the Ravens can afford to run it because half of their secondary is All-World. Anyways, I like Thomas, I think he's a playmaker, but I also think, to some extent, he's a product of the system and the players around him.
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01-29-2007, 02:47 PM	#16
DJLengai 100th Post Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 168	We need a guy for the middle of that defense, a true MLB, and Thomas ain't it. We've got Fujita and Shanle on the outside, both who are good players. Also, in case you haven't noticed, Thomas plays in a 46 defense which allows him to be primarily an edge rusher. Are you actually serious or did you fall and hit your head on something? Adalius plays all over becuase he is the best Ravens' LB and doesn't play the middle (excpet when Lewis is injured) becuase Ray can't play like Thomas.
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01-29-2007, 03:25 PM	#17
pakowitz The Dark Overlord Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,450	Originally Posted by TheDeuce Originally Posted by DJLengai You guys forgot something. We were the #2 seed in the NFC and reached the Championship game. With defensive help our team will be stronger for a Superbowl run. Going to a winning franchise will be a factor for Adalius. SF has a couple of years before they are ready. Can he be a dominant MLB? Are you serious? How could you possibly doubt that? He's the best overall LB the Ravens have. I don't think they'll tag him becuase they still have a great D and need help on O. We can't win a straight up bidding war with SF, but we are a better team focusing on making the playoffs next year. Adalius is also from the South and is a known player now. I'd say if we want him and offer him a good contact he'll be here and he will be an animal at MLB. How could i doubt that? Hmmmm.... let's see. He's never had more than 86 tackles, in 7 seasons. He's never been "the man" on defense, he's always had better players on his teams for opposing offensive coordinators to worry about; thus effectively taking the spotlight off of him. If you don't agree with this, then you apparently haven't been watching football, because the Ravens have had 3 Defensive MVP's in those 7 years Thomas has been on the team, and those guys are still there. Ray Lewis, for years, has been considered the best linebacker of his generation. Ed Reed is a playmaker plain and simple. Then you've got guys like Terrell Suggs, Chirs McAllister, Bart Scott, Haloti Ngata, and others and that's a lot of guys to worry about. If you were an offensive coordinator over the last seven years and you had to play the Ravens, who would you double team? Ray Lewis or Adalius Thomas? Everyone with a brain knows it's Ray Lewis; HOF Ray Lewis. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Thomas isn't a very good player, because I do think he is. And yes, I'd like to see him as a Saint, but there are other guys from this FA season that I'd rather see us go after like Nate Clements. Perhaps Adalius Thomas' greatest assets is his versatility. He can line up all over the field as a DE, OLB, and occassionally a MLB. But he's not a MLB. He's an edge rusher. In case you haven't noticed, the Ravens do have that HOF MLB: Ray Lewis. Versatility is nice, but it isn't what we need. We need a guy for the middle of that defense, a true MLB, and Thomas ain't it. We've got Fujita and Shanle on the outside, both who are good players. Also, in case you haven't noticed, Thomas plays in a 46 defense which allows him to be primarily an edge rusher. The 46 relies heavily on defensive tackles collapsing the middle of the line in order to free up the rushing linebackers. We don't run that kind of defense. It's basically a 3-4 on steroids (but with an extra DT), but the Ravens can afford to run it because half of their secondary is All-World. Anyways, I like Thomas, I think he's a playmaker, but I also think, to some extent, he's a product of the system and the players around him. excellent post... agree totally
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01-29-2007, 06:40 PM	#20
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	Originally Posted by DJLengai We need a guy for the middle of that defense, a true MLB, and Thomas ain't it. We've got Fujita and Shanle on the outside, both who are good players. Also, in case you haven't noticed, Thomas plays in a 46 defense which allows him to be primarily an edge rusher. Are you actually serious or did you fall and hit your head on something? Adalius plays all over becuase he is the best Ravens' LB and doesn't play the middle (excpet when Lewis is injured) becuase Ray can't play like Thomas. Wow, that's one of the most ludicrous things I've heard in a while on this board. The best LB on the Ravens is Adalius Thomas? Really? How do you figure? Because he had 20 less tackles than Ray Lewis AND Bart Scott? Because he had fewer interceptions than Ray Lewis AND Bart Scott? Because he had less pass deflections than Ray Lewis AND Bart Scott? Because he didn't have any forced fumbles, but Lewis did? Oh I guess I see why... because he had 11.5 sacks. Is that why he's "the best" linebacker on the team? Sure, 11.5 sacks is extremely impressive (fyi, it was 2nd best on the team), but I think that has more to do with the position that he plays than truly how "great" he is. Like I explained in my previous post, the 46 defense that Baltimore runs allows these OLBs to rush off the edge because they've got big uglies in the middle collapsing the middle of the line and 2 DEs who are also bringing pressure. They can't block everybody, so guys like Thomas are going to have oppportunities to get to the QB. That's the reason why Bart Scott (another LB, who happened to have 20 more tackles, more interceptions, more TFL, and more pass deflections) only had 1.5 sacks less than Thomas (9.5). Hell I could make a point that Bart Scott is better than Thomas, but I don't necessarily believe that it would be completely correct (even though statistically he had a much better year). But you seem to have been missing the points of my posts in their entirety. Don't just look at the part where I talk about him being a product of his teammates and the system he plays in... look at the other stuff I'm saying. I'm saying he's a very good player. He's probably the most versatile player in the NFL. I'm saying I'd like to see him in black and gold. But what you apparently don't get is that we have bigger needs (CB for one), and it's also my humble opinion that if we're going to go out and get a linebacker, why not get one who addresses a need? Do we need a guy who can play OLB, DE, MLB, Safety, CB, waterboy, popcorn guy, and mascot? No!!!!! Here' my point!!!!! We have Fujita and Shanle who are two very solid OLBs. We don't have a very good MLB. Thomas is not a MLB. Plain and simple. If you want to argue, you're wasting your time and perhaps more importantly, my time, because you're just plain wrong. The guy is an outside LB, a rushing linebacker, and a very good one, but he doesn't belong at the LB, and the Ravens know this. That's why they have Ray Lewis there, in case you haven't noticed. Oh and by the way... you're right, I guess Ray Lewis STARTS AT MIDDLE LINEBACKER because he's WORSE than Adlius Thomas. That makes a lot of sense. If Adalius Thomas is the best MLB on the team, I'm sure Rex Ryan sits there and thinks "Hmmmm.... I've got an idea, let's move our best MLB (Adalius Thomas) all over the field to unnatural positions because Ray Lewis is worse than him. I think I'd rather have a worse MLB play there." I think the reason Ray plays MLB is because he's the best MLB on that squad. You can try and argue that, but I'll trust Rex Ryan because that's where he says Ray Lewis should play and he's the one with a top 5 defense year in and year out.
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01-28-2007, 02:17 PM	#11
Brann Ill-tempered Texan Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Pascagoula, MS Posts: 228	I honestly think Shanle would benefit greatly from playing with a stud MLB. He was a solid guy who did make some plays, and he'll be cheap. What's the word on Boss Bailey?

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01-28-2007, 03:46 PM	#12
pakowitz The Dark Overlord Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,450	i wonder why no one thinks he will be franchised...

01-29-2007, 01:22 PM	#14
Brann Ill-tempered Texan Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Pascagoula, MS Posts: 228	Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have him here. I'm just not confident that the team will go after him or if he'll come to the Saints.

01-29-2007, 04:37 PM	#18
duece4pres Biloxi Bandit Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: biloxi, ms Posts: 293	Don't forget his roots. He was born in Bama and played ball at the greatest school of all, Southern Miss. He might want to play close to home

01-29-2007, 04:40 PM	#19
lumm0x Resident antediluvian Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,026	Alot of good posts on Thomas. I agree he would be a welcome versatile option, but we have bigger needs for the kind of money it would take to get him. If he fell in our laps somehow I would not be upset, but we cannot afford to be a bidder in a game for him.