heres the grant news we've all been waiting for....

saintfan · 02-20-2007, 09:28 AM

Originally Posted by blacksaint

The question is ? Will Grant play with the same intensity that he's played with his whole career or will he go in the tank because he's been tag ? Remember, the last thing he wanted was to be franchised. I just hope it don't affect him in any way and he can sign a long contract.

Grant's down year was a fluke. The guy plays with heart and is a presence in the locker room too. Now, 8+ million is a little steep, but it's the right move.

biloxi-indian · 02-20-2007, 08:14 PM

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?...amp;id=2772934

CheramieIII · 02-20-2007, 08:21 PM

Great, it's what we should do to hold it together. We will negotiate with him until we get a deal done. We could not afford to lose him. The fact that he does'nt have alot of sacks means nothing. He funnels plays to the inside so we need a good DT FA pickup to help Thomas stuff the run. We aren't far from the old Dome Patrol defense.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 02-21-2007, 07:05 AM

I've never really understood how both sides feel about the franchise tag. The tag get applied when you can't work out a long term deal right? Usually that means that the two side have a disparity in terms (money, years, bonus). The franchise tag is designed to penalize both sides, the team by making them pay a huge cap cost on a yearly basis, and the player by preventing them from testing the free agent market.

What I don't understand then is why don't the two sides try to work it out before the tag has to be brought out, or even after.

Why is that?

SFIAH

biloxi-indian · 02-21-2007, 07:14 AM

more info on Grant....

http://www.sunherald.com/mld/sunhera...s/16745331.htm

TheDeuce · 02-21-2007, 08:01 AM

"Teams have the right to do that and to say that we're disappointed with be an untruth," Johnson said. "To put the tag on him shows they want to keep Charles in New Orleans long term."

I hope that's what Grant really believes....

biloxi-indian · 02-21-2007, 10:39 AM

DE Charles Grant expressed his frustration Tuesday after the Saints designated him as their franchise player. The move requires the Saints to offer Grant a one-year contract worth $8.644 million the average of the top five players at his position. But it prevents the 28-year-old from becoming an unrestricted free agent March 2. Grant can negotiate with other teams, but it is unlikely another team will offer a long-term deal. "I still hope we can work something out," said Grant, who was hoping to either sign a long-term contract extension with the Saints or be allowed to test the free-agent waters. He characterized the Saints' contract discussions so far as "treating me like I'm a scrub" and "trying to spit in our face."

http://www.benmaller.com/nfl_rumors_notes

Doesn't sound like a friendly negotiations!

stockman311 · 02-21-2007, 11:19 AM

I wish someone would treat me like a scrub and pay me $8.65MM. Give me a break Grant. If you don't like the tag then you should have put up better numbers last year and forced them to sign you to a long term contract. Or your just asking for too much long term. I think we can all agree that Dwight Freeney is better than you and he got tagged as well. On the bright side they can only tag you for one more season so if you stay in shape and kick butt for the next two years you will get your long term payday. In the meantime you will have to be content with making $17MM over the next two years.

hagan714 · 02-21-2007, 11:23 AM

poor baby misses out on that signing bounce.... he is get over paid at 8.65 million as it is. would you say he is the 5th best DE in the NFL. I wouldn't. bottm of the top 10 maybe.

stockman311 · 02-21-2007, 01:22 PM

He's not even the best DE on his own team. I would put him in the top 20 DE's in the league and that is being generous.
Here are better ones just off the top of my head:
Will Smith,
Jason Taylor,
Simeon Rice,
Julius Peppers,
Michael Strahan,
Jevon Kearse(when healthy)
Julian Peterson,
Dwight Freeney,
John Abraham(when healthy)
Justin Smith,
Terrell Suggs and Trevor Price,
Ogunleye,

02-20-2007, 09:28 AM	#11
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: RE: Re: RE: heres the grant news we Originally Posted by blacksaint The question is ? Will Grant play with the same intensity that he's played with his whole career or will he go in the tank because he's been tag ? Remember, the last thing he wanted was to be franchised. I just hope it don't affect him in any way and he can sign a long contract. Grant's down year was a fluke. The guy plays with heart and is a presence in the locker room too. Now, 8+ million is a little steep, but it's the right move.

02-21-2007, 07:05 AM	#14
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,776	I've never really understood how both sides feel about the franchise tag. The tag get applied when you can't work out a long term deal right? Usually that means that the two side have a disparity in terms (money, years, bonus). The franchise tag is designed to penalize both sides, the team by making them pay a huge cap cost on a yearly basis, and the player by preventing them from testing the free agent market. What I don't understand then is why don't the two sides try to work it out before the tag has to be brought out, or even after. Why is that? SFIAH
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02-21-2007, 08:01 AM	#16
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	"Teams have the right to do that and to say that we're disappointed with be an untruth," Johnson said. "To put the tag on him shows they want to keep Charles in New Orleans long term." I hope that's what Grant really believes....
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02-21-2007, 10:39 AM	#17
biloxi-indian Site Donor Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Southlake, TX Posts: 1,706	DE Charles Grant expressed his frustration Tuesday after the Saints designated him as their franchise player. The move requires the Saints to offer Grant a one-year contract worth $8.644 million the average of the top five players at his position. But it prevents the 28-year-old from becoming an unrestricted free agent March 2. Grant can negotiate with other teams, but it is unlikely another team will offer a long-term deal. "I still hope we can work something out," said Grant, who was hoping to either sign a long-term contract extension with the Saints or be allowed to test the free-agent waters. He characterized the Saints' contract discussions so far as "treating me like I'm a scrub" and "trying to spit in our face." http://www.benmaller.com/nfl_rumors_notes Doesn't sound like a friendly negotiations!
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02-20-2007, 08:14 PM	#12
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02-20-2007, 08:21 PM	#13
CheramieIII Fan Since 1967 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Nomad Posts: 7,487 Blog Entries: 3	Great, it's what we should do to hold it together. We will negotiate with him until we get a deal done. We could not afford to lose him. The fact that he does'nt have alot of sacks means nothing. He funnels plays to the inside so we need a good DT FA pickup to help Thomas stuff the run. We aren't far from the old Dome Patrol defense.

02-21-2007, 07:14 AM	#15
biloxi-indian Site Donor Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Southlake, TX Posts: 1,706	more info on Grant.... http://www.sunherald.com/mld/sunhera...s/16745331.htm

02-21-2007, 11:19 AM	#18
stockman311 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,137	I wish someone would treat me like a scrub and pay me $8.65MM. Give me a break Grant. If you don't like the tag then you should have put up better numbers last year and forced them to sign you to a long term contract. Or your just asking for too much long term. I think we can all agree that Dwight Freeney is better than you and he got tagged as well. On the bright side they can only tag you for one more season so if you stay in shape and kick butt for the next two years you will get your long term payday. In the meantime you will have to be content with making $17MM over the next two years.

02-21-2007, 11:23 AM	#19
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	poor baby misses out on that signing bounce.... he is get over paid at 8.65 million as it is. would you say he is the 5th best DE in the NFL. I wouldn't. bottm of the top 10 maybe.

02-21-2007, 01:22 PM	#20
stockman311 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,137	He's not even the best DE on his own team. I would put him in the top 20 DE's in the league and that is being generous. Here are better ones just off the top of my head: Will Smith, Jason Taylor, Simeon Rice, Julius Peppers, Michael Strahan, Jevon Kearse(when healthy) Julian Peterson, Dwight Freeney, John Abraham(when healthy) Justin Smith, Terrell Suggs and Trevor Price, Ogunleye,