Jeremy Green - ESPN Chat on Deuce

GumboDawg · 04-30-2007, 08:36 AM

Green's shooting in the dark...just a throw-away remark.

Given Pittman's build and the obvious interest in him by trading up, I'm thinking the plan here is to have our 3rd RB be a mini-Bush type. Obviously both Bush and Deuce are important to the team, but I think a Bush injury rips more holes in the playbook -- hence the insurance policy.

Should Deuce go down, you can always find a more traditional RB to sign or trade for. Bush's unique and varied role on the team almost demands having somebody on the roster who can step in with a working knowledge of the playbook.

But hey, what do I know?

JOESAM2002 · 04-30-2007, 08:22 AM

It was on a chat line on ESPN. This guy hasn't got a clue.

blacksaint · 05-06-2007, 10:25 PM

Yo, everybody can leave that DEUCE crap alone, he's not going anywhere, PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BRSaintsFan · 05-07-2007, 09:27 AM

Deuce's contract was through 2012 and the details are as follows: (The figures are from rotoworld.com).

2007: $2.6 mill salary ($1 mill roster bonus + $100,000 workout bonus)
2008: $3.6 mill salary ($1 mill roster bonus + $100,000 workout bonus)
2009: $5.3 mill salary ($100,000 workout bonus)
2010: $6.2 mill salary ($100,000 workout bonus)
2011: $7.1 mill salary ($100,000 workout bonus)
2012: $8.1 mill salary ($100,000 workout bonus)

The signing bonus on the deal was $12.5 million. Signing bonuses implications to the salary cap are prorated and divided out by the length of the contract upon signing (7 years was the original length. $12.5/7= about $1.8 mill)

So the salary cap hits are as follows:

2007: $2.6 +$1.8+$1 = $5.4
2008: $3.6 +$1.8+$1 = $6.4
2009: $5.3 +$1.8 = $7.1
2010: $6.2 +$1.8 = $8.0
2011: $7.1 +$1.8 = $8.9
2012: $8.1 +$1.8 = $9.9

Cap Hits if cut before salary is due (before 6/1): (The remaining amount of a signing bonus is summed and counted against the cap upon termination of a contract.)

2007: $1.8 X 6 = $10.8
2008: $1.8 X 5 = $9.0
2009: $1.8 X 4 = $7.2
2010: $1.8 X 3 = $5.4
2011: $1.8 X 2 = $3.6
2012: = $1.8

So financially against the cap, it makes almost no sense to cut him loose before 2009.

papz · 05-07-2007, 11:35 AM

Originally Posted by BRSaintsFan

Deuce's contract was through 2012 and the details are as follows: (The figures are from rotoworld.com).

2007: $2.6 mill salary ($1 mill roster bonus + $100,000 workout bonus)
2008: $3.6 mill salary ($1 mill roster bonus + $100,000 workout bonus)
2009: $5.3 mill salary ($100,000 workout bonus)
2010: $6.2 mill salary ($100,000 workout bonus)
2011: $7.1 mill salary ($100,000 workout bonus)
2012: $8.1 mill salary ($100,000 workout bonus)

The signing bonus on the deal was $12.5 million. Signing bonuses implications to the salary cap are prorated and divided out by the length of the contract upon signing (7 years was the original length. $12.5/7= about $1.8 mill)

So the salary cap hits are as follows:

2007: $2.6 +$1.8+$1 = $5.4
2008: $3.6 +$1.8+$1 = $6.4
2009: $5.3 +$1.8 = $7.1
2010: $6.2 +$1.8 = $8.0
2011: $7.1 +$1.8 = $8.9
2012: $8.1 +$1.8 = $9.9

Cap Hits if cut before salary is due (before 6/1): (The remaining amount of a signing bonus is summed and counted against the cap upon termination of a contract.)

2007: $1.8 X 6 = $10.8
2008: $1.8 X 5 = $9.0
2009: $1.8 X 4 = $7.2
2010: $1.8 X 3 = $5.4
2011: $1.8 X 2 = $3.6
2012: = $1.8

So financially against the cap, it makes almost no sense to cut him loose before 2009.

I never knew the details to his contract but I might have to change my stance on Deuce now. He's more than affordable and I definately wouldn't mind having him for at least 2 more seasons.

BRSaintsFan · 05-07-2007, 03:17 PM

Originally Posted by papz

I never knew the details to his contract but I might have to change my stance on Deuce now. He's more than affordable and I definately wouldn't mind having him for at least 2 more seasons.

Theres no reason not to keep him until at least 2010 unless as someone said we traded him and someone else picked up the cap hit but I dont know if that happens because Deuce is soon approaching 30 and we saw a few years ago the difficulty of dealing backs 30+ years old. It still doesnt really make sense to let him go until 2011. In 2010 there is a $2.6 mill difference, but for a RB of his caliber, it is more than worth it. Jamal Lewis signed a $3.5 mill deal this season so keeping Deuce for that difference would be well worth it IMO. All in all, I dont know who this Green cat is but he certainly doesnt seem to know much of what he is talking about. Deuce isnt going anywhere anytime soon.

scott406 · 05-07-2007, 11:32 AM

Duece isn't going anywhere.
Pittman is a tough inside runner with speed to burn. Payton's plan in the offense is to run multiple plays out of the same formation to keep the defense off balance. Pittman gives him more of an option than Stecker.
Pittman will also give Duece and Bush a rest when we are blowing these other suck a$$ teams out this year. No need to put more tread on the tires than we have to.

scott406 · 05-07-2007, 11:33 AM

And Jeremy Green is an idiot!!!!!!!!

LongTimeFan · 05-07-2007, 07:42 PM

Sounds like another rumor, don't buy into it.....
Deuce is the man in N.O, the fans know it, his players know it and more important Sean Payton knows it, no way he leaves after this season...

BRSaintsFan · 05-08-2007, 08:42 AM

I see Pittman's value coming in on 3rd down. Personally, I think that Deuce is underrated as a receiver out the backfield and in his ability to play on third down. However, Pittman's speed and versatility allow him to slide in on third downs when Reggie motions out to the slot or to flanker. Thus he will take much of the role Stecker did. However, my concern is exactly what Pak said. Pittman did not return kicks in college and doesn't seem to be a return man type. Now, due to the bevy of receivers on the roster and based on those that appear likely to be kept, Lewis may have seen his last days along with Stecker. So my concern is who will be returning kicks. Im thinking Henderson maybe, or Pittman might give it a shot.

As far as Deuce going anywhere, its definetly a rumor. It just has no basis behind it and is quite ridiculous from all angles. However, Pittman's presence does seem to mark the end for Stecker and/or Branch.

04-30-2007, 08:36 AM	#1
GumboDawg Rookie Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 7	Green's shooting in the dark...just a throw-away remark. Given Pittman's build and the obvious interest in him by trading up, I'm thinking the plan here is to have our 3rd RB be a mini-Bush type. Obviously both Bush and Deuce are important to the team, but I think a Bush injury rips more holes in the playbook -- hence the insurance policy. Should Deuce go down, you can always find a more traditional RB to sign or trade for. Bush's unique and varied role on the team almost demands having somebody on the roster who can step in with a working knowledge of the playbook. But hey, what do I know?
GumboDawg Rookie Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 7

05-07-2007, 11:35 AM	#5
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,793	Originally Posted by BRSaintsFan Deuce's contract was through 2012 and the details are as follows: (The figures are from rotoworld.com). 2007: $2.6 mill salary ($1 mill roster bonus + $100,000 workout bonus) 2008: $3.6 mill salary ($1 mill roster bonus + $100,000 workout bonus) 2009: $5.3 mill salary ($100,000 workout bonus) 2010: $6.2 mill salary ($100,000 workout bonus) 2011: $7.1 mill salary ($100,000 workout bonus) 2012: $8.1 mill salary ($100,000 workout bonus) The signing bonus on the deal was $12.5 million. Signing bonuses implications to the salary cap are prorated and divided out by the length of the contract upon signing (7 years was the original length. $12.5/7= about $1.8 mill) So the salary cap hits are as follows: 2007: $2.6 +$1.8+$1 = $5.4 2008: $3.6 +$1.8+$1 = $6.4 2009: $5.3 +$1.8 = $7.1 2010: $6.2 +$1.8 = $8.0 2011: $7.1 +$1.8 = $8.9 2012: $8.1 +$1.8 = $9.9 Cap Hits if cut before salary is due (before 6/1): (The remaining amount of a signing bonus is summed and counted against the cap upon termination of a contract.) 2007: $1.8 X 6 = $10.8 2008: $1.8 X 5 = $9.0 2009: $1.8 X 4 = $7.2 2010: $1.8 X 3 = $5.4 2011: $1.8 X 2 = $3.6 2012: = $1.8 So financially against the cap, it makes almost no sense to cut him loose before 2009. I never knew the details to his contract but I might have to change my stance on Deuce now. He's more than affordable and I definately wouldn't mind having him for at least 2 more seasons.

05-07-2007, 03:17 PM	#6
BRSaintsFan 100th Post Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 449	Originally Posted by papz I never knew the details to his contract but I might have to change my stance on Deuce now. He's more than affordable and I definately wouldn't mind having him for at least 2 more seasons. Theres no reason not to keep him until at least 2010 unless as someone said we traded him and someone else picked up the cap hit but I dont know if that happens because Deuce is soon approaching 30 and we saw a few years ago the difficulty of dealing backs 30+ years old. It still doesnt really make sense to let him go until 2011. In 2010 there is a $2.6 mill difference, but for a RB of his caliber, it is more than worth it. Jamal Lewis signed a $3.5 mill deal this season so keeping Deuce for that difference would be well worth it IMO. All in all, I dont know who this Green cat is but he certainly doesnt seem to know much of what he is talking about. Deuce isnt going anywhere anytime soon.

04-30-2007, 08:22 AM	#2
JOESAM2002 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: CRYSTAL BEACH TEXAS Posts: 4,100	It was on a chat line on ESPN. This guy hasn't got a clue.

05-06-2007, 10:25 PM	#3
blacksaint DARE TO ENTER Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Home Sweet Home, NEW ORLEANS, La. Posts: 1,154	Yo, everybody can leave that DEUCE crap alone, he's not going anywhere, PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

05-07-2007, 09:27 AM	#4
BRSaintsFan 100th Post Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 449	Deuce's contract was through 2012 and the details are as follows: (The figures are from rotoworld.com). 2007: $2.6 mill salary ($1 mill roster bonus + $100,000 workout bonus) 2008: $3.6 mill salary ($1 mill roster bonus + $100,000 workout bonus) 2009: $5.3 mill salary ($100,000 workout bonus) 2010: $6.2 mill salary ($100,000 workout bonus) 2011: $7.1 mill salary ($100,000 workout bonus) 2012: $8.1 mill salary ($100,000 workout bonus) The signing bonus on the deal was $12.5 million. Signing bonuses implications to the salary cap are prorated and divided out by the length of the contract upon signing (7 years was the original length. $12.5/7= about $1.8 mill) So the salary cap hits are as follows: 2007: $2.6 +$1.8+$1 = $5.4 2008: $3.6 +$1.8+$1 = $6.4 2009: $5.3 +$1.8 = $7.1 2010: $6.2 +$1.8 = $8.0 2011: $7.1 +$1.8 = $8.9 2012: $8.1 +$1.8 = $9.9 Cap Hits if cut before salary is due (before 6/1): (The remaining amount of a signing bonus is summed and counted against the cap upon termination of a contract.) 2007: $1.8 X 6 = $10.8 2008: $1.8 X 5 = $9.0 2009: $1.8 X 4 = $7.2 2010: $1.8 X 3 = $5.4 2011: $1.8 X 2 = $3.6 2012: = $1.8 So financially against the cap, it makes almost no sense to cut him loose before 2009.

05-07-2007, 11:32 AM	#7
scott406 Registered Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Westbank Posts: 72	Duece isn't going anywhere. Pittman is a tough inside runner with speed to burn. Payton's plan in the offense is to run multiple plays out of the same formation to keep the defense off balance. Pittman gives him more of an option than Stecker. Pittman will also give Duece and Bush a rest when we are blowing these other suck a$$ teams out this year. No need to put more tread on the tires than we have to.

05-07-2007, 11:33 AM	#8
scott406 Registered Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Westbank Posts: 72	And Jeremy Green is an idiot!!!!!!!!

05-07-2007, 07:42 PM	#9
LongTimeFan Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Louisiana Posts: 2,403	Sounds like another rumor, don't buy into it..... Deuce is the man in N.O, the fans know it, his players know it and more important Sean Payton knows it, no way he leaves after this season...

05-08-2007, 08:42 AM	#10
BRSaintsFan 100th Post Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 449	I see Pittman's value coming in on 3rd down. Personally, I think that Deuce is underrated as a receiver out the backfield and in his ability to play on third down. However, Pittman's speed and versatility allow him to slide in on third downs when Reggie motions out to the slot or to flanker. Thus he will take much of the role Stecker did. However, my concern is exactly what Pak said. Pittman did not return kicks in college and doesn't seem to be a return man type. Now, due to the bevy of receivers on the roster and based on those that appear likely to be kept, Lewis may have seen his last days along with Stecker. So my concern is who will be returning kicks. Im thinking Henderson maybe, or Pittman might give it a shot. As far as Deuce going anywhere, its definetly a rumor. It just has no basis behind it and is quite ridiculous from all angles. However, Pittman's presence does seem to mark the end for Stecker and/or Branch.