Will Smith Not Happy

scott406 · 05-04-2007, 04:49 PM

I don't think anybody is going to argue that Will Smith deserves to be paid as one of if not the highest defensive player in the game. He will get his money but you better believe that Loomis and Payton are going to be hard-a$$es when it comes to redoing his deal. The company line will be "C Grant played out his rookie deal and got paid and now you have to do the same."

I don't agree but that is the nature of the beast. They are setting themselves up for a nasty battle.

By the way, who is Smith's agent anyway?

( Its all good Whodat205)

Euphoria · 05-04-2007, 04:50 PM

I'd say gut him and get the chick in your avator signed!

D24pick · 05-04-2007, 05:55 PM

Originally Posted by saintsmissile

I don't blame Smith one bit. Personally, I thought Smith was more deserving of a 7 year 63 million dollar deal than Grant. Smith made the pro bowl and has proved he's one of the top 7 DE in the league. I still think we overpaid for Grant and now, we're going to pay a bigger price to Smith because of it. Grant's big deal was a bit of a mistake, but management has made their bed.

Agreed as well. I feel that Grant got a bit overpaid. And if we dont restucture his contract this year and he gets another great season. And Grant is still stinking it up producing mediocre seasons hes gonna feel he deserves even more money

spkb25 · 05-04-2007, 08:28 PM

hey whodat if the team can say that to the player, you know, that they signed a contract than damn it the players should be able to say the same damn thing to the team. when the team goes to cut them the player should be able to say hey you signed a contract or gave me a contract now honor it. pay the rest of what you owe me in full. thanks and have a good night. that doesn't happen so a player who plays above what he is being paid should expect to be compensated accordingly. thats my feelings anyway. it goes both way.

ScottyRo · 05-05-2007, 10:14 AM

We went through this discussion quite a while back, but the bottomline is: either the CBA or each player's contract allows the team to release a player from the contract without penalty (excepting salary cap). Thus, you can say that all players and owners agree that teams should have the right to terminate the contract whenever the team deems it necessary. So, you can't really argue that teams shouldn't be able to cut players if they expect the players to play out their contracts because the players agree to the temination from the start.

As far as Smith goes, I can see how he would want more money based on performance, but he doesn't have a performance based contract. Had he wanted one he should have negotiated one. Also, he signed a 6 year contract with a $5.5 to 6M bonus. That means on top of the almost $1 M he'll make in base salary this year he also earns another $1 M of his bonus. The article I got that info from also mentioned the possibility that he would have the last year voidable. Now, if that's true, then I fall back on my 'this is the last year of his contract and he ought to begin negotiating a new one' statement.

spkb25 · 05-05-2007, 06:39 PM

um scotty i didnt say at all that the team couldnt cut him. all i said was let them pay them the remainder of their contract. the logic is the same as saying that a player should have to finish his contract for the pay he got as a rook coming in. if you dont agree thats fine. trying to explain what the players have agreed to and what the current situation is really doesn't change my opinion. the player has every right in my opinion to ask for more money. the team has every right to cut them. whether the player gets his money or not is a whole nother story. i just feel they have the right to ask for it. you dont, fine, but i really don't care for the argument that he signed a contract now honor it. they gave him a contract now honor it. see how nicely that argument works both ways. you are more then welcome to feel however you do on the subject. if that was already covered earlier you can see how much that also matters as i brought it back up cause i felt like revisiting it. i appreciate the info though and will keep it in mind.

LongTimeFan · 05-05-2007, 06:50 PM

He just needs to have a solid upcoming season and everything will work out for Will...
As Papz said he'll just have to wait his turn..

spkb25 · 05-05-2007, 07:05 PM

yeah ltf and that is what my first post on the entire subject said. basically we should get him a new contract after this season. i agree fully on that. i think with one year left we should get him signed.

ScottyRo · 05-06-2007, 03:53 PM

Originally Posted by spkb25

if that was already covered earlier you can see how much that also matters as i brought it back up cause i felt like revisiting it. i appreciate the info though and will keep it in mind.

I hope you don't think I was trying to say that you shouldn't bring it back up. I was just pointing out that I've been through that discussion a little bit on this site and there was a conclusion I came to, which I provided. Your response to me seemed a bit snippy and I don't want that to be because you misunderstood what I meant.

As far as Smith goes, I don't have a problem so much with him asking for more money. I guess, what concerns me is that I perceive the article stating that he is unhappy as equivalent to him be disgruntled. Hopefully, that's not the case.

hagan714 · 05-07-2007, 06:27 AM

You would think smith would be out to kill his agent. I am sure the saints have talked with his agent and will continue doing so. I would not be surprised if he gets an extention. Rare for the saints I know.

As for Grant the lenght of the contract and the way it is all put together makes it a good deal. Win-Win

Next years FA class is big here. So the saints hands are tied for a while. They are still trying to work that out too. Tell yall now next season will be crazy with all the FA we are going to have. I am looking for some comp pick from that group. No way can we keep them all.

05-04-2007, 05:55 PM	#43
D24pick 500th Post Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: New Orleans Posts: 578	Originally Posted by saintsmissile I don't blame Smith one bit. Personally, I thought Smith was more deserving of a 7 year 63 million dollar deal than Grant. Smith made the pro bowl and has proved he's one of the top 7 DE in the league. I still think we overpaid for Grant and now, we're going to pay a bigger price to Smith because of it. Grant's big deal was a bit of a mistake, but management has made their bed. Agreed as well. I feel that Grant got a bit overpaid. And if we dont restucture his contract this year and he gets another great season. And Grant is still stinking it up producing mediocre seasons hes gonna feel he deserves even more money

05-04-2007, 08:28 PM	#44
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,101	hey whodat if the team can say that to the player, you know, that they signed a contract than damn it the players should be able to say the same damn thing to the team. when the team goes to cut them the player should be able to say hey you signed a contract or gave me a contract now honor it. pay the rest of what you owe me in full. thanks and have a good night. that doesn't happen so a player who plays above what he is being paid should expect to be compensated accordingly. thats my feelings anyway. it goes both way.
	Your team stinks

05-05-2007, 06:39 PM	#46
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,101	um scotty i didnt say at all that the team couldnt cut him. all i said was let them pay them the remainder of their contract. the logic is the same as saying that a player should have to finish his contract for the pay he got as a rook coming in. if you dont agree thats fine. trying to explain what the players have agreed to and what the current situation is really doesn't change my opinion. the player has every right in my opinion to ask for more money. the team has every right to cut them. whether the player gets his money or not is a whole nother story. i just feel they have the right to ask for it. you dont, fine, but i really don't care for the argument that he signed a contract now honor it. they gave him a contract now honor it. see how nicely that argument works both ways. you are more then welcome to feel however you do on the subject. if that was already covered earlier you can see how much that also matters as i brought it back up cause i felt like revisiting it. i appreciate the info though and will keep it in mind.
	Your team stinks

05-06-2007, 03:53 PM	#49
ScottyRo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Williamsburg, VA (ugh, the food here) Posts: 1,704	Originally Posted by spkb25 if that was already covered earlier you can see how much that also matters as i brought it back up cause i felt like revisiting it. i appreciate the info though and will keep it in mind. I hope you don't think I was trying to say that you shouldn't bring it back up. I was just pointing out that I've been through that discussion a little bit on this site and there was a conclusion I came to, which I provided. Your response to me seemed a bit snippy and I don't want that to be because you misunderstood what I meant. As far as Smith goes, I don't have a problem so much with him asking for more money. I guess, what concerns me is that I perceive the article stating that he is unhappy as equivalent to him be disgruntled. Hopefully, that's not the case.

05-07-2007, 06:27 AM	#50
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	You would think smith would be out to kill his agent. I am sure the saints have talked with his agent and will continue doing so. I would not be surprised if he gets an extention. Rare for the saints I know. As for Grant the lenght of the contract and the way it is all put together makes it a good deal. Win-Win Next years FA class is big here. So the saints hands are tied for a while. They are still trying to work that out too. Tell yall now next season will be crazy with all the FA we are going to have. I am looking for some comp pick from that group. No way can we keep them all.
	"We may have lost the game, but you'll be hurting tomorrow." Doug Atkins

05-04-2007, 04:49 PM	#41
scott406 Registered Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Westbank Posts: 72	I don't think anybody is going to argue that Will Smith deserves to be paid as one of if not the highest defensive player in the game. He will get his money but you better believe that Loomis and Payton are going to be hard-a$$es when it comes to redoing his deal. The company line will be "C Grant played out his rookie deal and got paid and now you have to do the same." I don't agree but that is the nature of the beast. They are setting themselves up for a nasty battle. By the way, who is Smith's agent anyway? ( Its all good Whodat205)

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05-04-2007, 04:50 PM	#42
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	I'd say gut him and get the chick in your avator signed!

05-05-2007, 10:14 AM	#45
ScottyRo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Williamsburg, VA (ugh, the food here) Posts: 1,704	We went through this discussion quite a while back, but the bottomline is: either the CBA or each player's contract allows the team to release a player from the contract without penalty (excepting salary cap). Thus, you can say that all players and owners agree that teams should have the right to terminate the contract whenever the team deems it necessary. So, you can't really argue that teams shouldn't be able to cut players if they expect the players to play out their contracts because the players agree to the temination from the start. As far as Smith goes, I can see how he would want more money based on performance, but he doesn't have a performance based contract. Had he wanted one he should have negotiated one. Also, he signed a 6 year contract with a $5.5 to 6M bonus. That means on top of the almost $1 M he'll make in base salary this year he also earns another $1 M of his bonus. The article I got that info from also mentioned the possibility that he would have the last year voidable. Now, if that's true, then I fall back on my 'this is the last year of his contract and he ought to begin negotiating a new one' statement.

05-05-2007, 06:50 PM	#47
LongTimeFan Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Louisiana Posts: 2,403	He just needs to have a solid upcoming season and everything will work out for Will... As Papz said he'll just have to wait his turn..

05-05-2007, 07:05 PM	#48
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,101	yeah ltf and that is what my first post on the entire subject said. basically we should get him a new contract after this season. i agree fully on that. i think with one year left we should get him signed.