We won't stand for it anymore!

jergensl · 05-13-2007, 06:37 PM

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

Again, you simply don't hear stories about other shootings at strip clubs if they don't involve someone in the limelight, as simple as that. I live in NC. Merely hours after the Jones incident in Las Vegas, I heard about it on the radio. Around the same date, a cop was shot and killed at a very popular night club ( no strip club) where I live. Did you hear about it? Chances are you didn't, because it involved nobodies.

For the thousands of people who get speeding tickets every day, there has to be millions who don't get caught when speeding. Have you ever gone faster than the speed limit? How would you like to get a speeding ticket, then go to work the next day abd get "suspended without pay"? Oh, yeah, they make millions for playing football, and you would get paid millions too, if you did something millions of people would want to watch, and hundreds of corporations would want to advertise on it, and people would by the same hat and shirt you were... but alas, you don't.

ok...news organizations are in the business of spreading news...a "nobody" being shot or arrested is only news in that local area, because that person's realm of influence is in that area...if a famous person is shot or arrested that is national news, because that person is known throughout the nation.

is the nfl was suspending players for simple speeding tickets you would have an argument, but they are not. dui, assault, and drug charges are much bigger than silly speeding tickets. in good quality jobs you will get suspended or even fired if you have a dui, assault, or drug charges. any employer who wouldn't has a serious lack of morals.

Tobias-Reiper · 05-13-2007, 06:47 PM

Originally Posted by jergensl

ok...news organizations are in the business of spreading news...a "nobody" being shot or arrested is only news in that local area, because that person's realm of influence is in that area...if a famous person is shot or arrested that is national news, because that person is known throughout the nation.

is the nfl was suspending players for simple speeding tickets you would have an argument, but they are not. dui, assault, and drug charges are much bigger than silly speeding tickets. in good quality jobs you will get suspended or even fired if you have a dui, assault, or drug charges. any employer who wouldn't has a serious lack of morals.

I don't get the point of your reply ... guess you didn't read the whole thread.

Speaking of '"quality jobs", I don't know what you consider a "quality job", but there are such things are wrongful termination suits. It just depends on how your contract is written. But that's a discussion for another thread.

CheramieIII · 05-14-2007, 04:46 PM

Damn Reiper, I ain't no preacher and if I gave you or anyone that impression I sincerely apologize.

On another note, I do think that what Pacwoman or any other sports figure does that's illegal or continually skirts the law should have consequences.

In my profession I would have been fired a long time ago and I don't make the money they make, but it's good money and I give an honest days work.

It is their choice to be where they are, in the limelight and all and if it was their only choice then it's their own damn fault too.

jergensl · 05-14-2007, 08:23 PM

tobias,
i was commenting on your comparisons and how i thought they were misguided.

Tobias-Reiper · 05-16-2007, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by CheramieIII

Damn Reiper, I ain't no preacher and if I gave you or anyone that impression I sincerely apologize.

On another note, I do think that what Pacwoman or any other sports figure does that's illegal or continually skirts the law should have consequences.

In my profession I would have been fired a long time ago and I don't make the money they make, but it's good money and I give an honest days work.

It is their choice to be where they are, in the limelight and all and if it was their only choice then it's their own damn fault too.

Well. I didn't mean it as stern as it sounded. I should've put a dancing broccoli smily or something...

... I understand what you are saying, I do... it's just the nature of this beast called profesional football. As fans, there is only one thing we can do to display or displeasure to the league, and we are not going to do it: stop patronizing the game. See? You are not going to do that

Regardless of the Pacmans (or Pacwomans

), the Mexicos, the Romos, etc, we'll still watch it, and buy the jersey, and the hat, and the tickets, etc, etc etc.

But also, you need to remember, that for every Mexico, there's a Brees, a Manning, a Pennington, A Brady... and that for every Henry, there's a Colston, and Harrison, and Smith... there are plenty of high character guys playing the game. Look how many we have in Brees, Deuce, Reggie, Karney, Colston...

The PBA allows ShePac to plead his case. Hey, let him. After all, this is America...and if he gets some games back, you just know he's going to screw it up down the line, and hurt not only his pocket, but his team.

Now, let me ask you a question

Did you feel the same way when Rickey Jackson crashed his Corvette going 120 MPH and traces of cocaine were found in his car?

WhoDat205 · 05-16-2007, 04:21 PM

Excellent emoticon usage, Tobias.

I just hope that you all realize that we fuel the beast here. Our $30-40K a year that we use to buy tickets and beer, tvs and cable are the dollars that end up in these guys' pockets.

The players are role models*, but no one ever said that those were good things. They are also employees subject to the rules of their employers...us. (The collective) We support their behavior every Sunday, Monday and sometimes Thursday for 20 weeks a year. We start idolizing them when they're in High School (or earlier) keep it up through their formative college years and then we crucify them when they keep acting like they're the greatest thing ever. We keep giving them chances.

*American Heritage Dictionary:
role model - A person who serves as an example of the values, attitudes, and behaviors associated with a role. For example, a father is a role model for his sons. Role models can also be persons who distinguish themselves in such a way that others admire and want to emulate them. For example, a woman who becomes a successful brain surgeon or airline pilot can be described as a role model for other women.

And what does "chida" mean?

JOESAM2002 · 05-16-2007, 04:23 PM

Chida= Tarzans monkey!

WhoDat205 · 05-16-2007, 04:29 PM

Oh, I see, "the net is Tarzan's Monkey, but unattainable." Thanks for clearing that up.

05-13-2007, 06:37 PM	#1
jergensl 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Belleview, FL Posts: 526	horrible comparisons Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper Again, you simply don't hear stories about other shootings at strip clubs if they don't involve someone in the limelight, as simple as that. I live in NC. Merely hours after the Jones incident in Las Vegas, I heard about it on the radio. Around the same date, a cop was shot and killed at a very popular night club ( no strip club) where I live. Did you hear about it? Chances are you didn't, because it involved nobodies. For the thousands of people who get speeding tickets every day, there has to be millions who don't get caught when speeding. Have you ever gone faster than the speed limit? How would you like to get a speeding ticket, then go to work the next day abd get "suspended without pay"? Oh, yeah, they make millions for playing football, and you would get paid millions too, if you did something millions of people would want to watch, and hundreds of corporations would want to advertise on it, and people would by the same hat and shirt you were... but alas, you don't. ok...news organizations are in the business of spreading news...a "nobody" being shot or arrested is only news in that local area, because that person's realm of influence is in that area...if a famous person is shot or arrested that is national news, because that person is known throughout the nation. is the nfl was suspending players for simple speeding tickets you would have an argument, but they are not. dui, assault, and drug charges are much bigger than silly speeding tickets. in good quality jobs you will get suspended or even fired if you have a dui, assault, or drug charges. any employer who wouldn't has a serious lack of morals.

05-13-2007, 06:47 PM	#2
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Originally Posted by jergensl ok...news organizations are in the business of spreading news...a "nobody" being shot or arrested is only news in that local area, because that person's realm of influence is in that area...if a famous person is shot or arrested that is national news, because that person is known throughout the nation. is the nfl was suspending players for simple speeding tickets you would have an argument, but they are not. dui, assault, and drug charges are much bigger than silly speeding tickets. in good quality jobs you will get suspended or even fired if you have a dui, assault, or drug charges. any employer who wouldn't has a serious lack of morals. I don't get the point of your reply ... guess you didn't read the whole thread. Speaking of '"quality jobs", I don't know what you consider a "quality job", but there are such things are wrongful termination suits. It just depends on how your contract is written. But that's a discussion for another thread.
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05-14-2007, 04:46 PM	#3
CheramieIII Fan Since 1967 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Nomad Posts: 7,497 Blog Entries: 3	Damn Reiper, I ain't no preacher and if I gave you or anyone that impression I sincerely apologize. On another note, I do think that what Pacwoman or any other sports figure does that's illegal or continually skirts the law should have consequences. In my profession I would have been fired a long time ago and I don't make the money they make, but it's good money and I give an honest days work. It is their choice to be where they are, in the limelight and all and if it was their only choice then it's their own damn fault too.
	Golf and sex are about the only things you can enjoy without being good at them. Jimmy Demaret

05-14-2007, 08:23 PM	#4
jergensl 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Belleview, FL Posts: 526	explanation tobias, i was commenting on your comparisons and how i thought they were misguided.

05-16-2007, 03:36 PM	#5
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Originally Posted by CheramieIII Damn Reiper, I ain't no preacher and if I gave you or anyone that impression I sincerely apologize. On another note, I do think that what Pacwoman or any other sports figure does that's illegal or continually skirts the law should have consequences. In my profession I would have been fired a long time ago and I don't make the money they make, but it's good money and I give an honest days work. It is their choice to be where they are, in the limelight and all and if it was their only choice then it's their own damn fault too. Well. I didn't mean it as stern as it sounded. I should've put a dancing broccoli smily or something... ... I understand what you are saying, I do... it's just the nature of this beast called profesional football. As fans, there is only one thing we can do to display or displeasure to the league, and we are not going to do it: stop patronizing the game. See? You are not going to do that Regardless of the Pacmans (or Pacwomans ), the Mexicos, the Romos, etc, we'll still watch it, and buy the jersey, and the hat, and the tickets, etc, etc etc. But also, you need to remember, that for every Mexico, there's a Brees, a Manning, a Pennington, A Brady... and that for every Henry, there's a Colston, and Harrison, and Smith... there are plenty of high character guys playing the game. Look how many we have in Brees, Deuce, Reggie, Karney, Colston... The PBA allows ShePac to plead his case. Hey, let him. After all, this is America...and if he gets some games back, you just know he's going to screw it up down the line, and hurt not only his pocket, but his team. Now, let me ask you a question Did you feel the same way when Rickey Jackson crashed his Corvette going 120 MPH and traces of cocaine were found in his car?
	'Cause the simple man pays the thrills, the bills and the pills that kill

05-16-2007, 04:21 PM	#6
WhoDat205 Prediction Pain Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 1,082 Blog Entries: 2	Excellent emoticon usage, Tobias. I just hope that you all realize that we fuel the beast here. Our $30-40K a year that we use to buy tickets and beer, tvs and cable are the dollars that end up in these guys' pockets. The players are role models, but no one ever said that those were good things. They are also employees subject to the rules of their employers...us. (The collective) We support their behavior every Sunday, Monday and sometimes Thursday for 20 weeks a year. We start idolizing them when they're in High School (or earlier) keep it up through their formative college years and then we crucify them when they keep acting like they're the greatest thing ever. We keep giving them chances. American Heritage Dictionary: role model - A person who serves as an example of the values, attitudes, and behaviors associated with a role. For example, a father is a role model for his sons. Role models can also be persons who distinguish themselves in such a way that others admire and want to emulate them. For example, a woman who becomes a successful brain surgeon or airline pilot can be described as a role model for other women. And what does "chida" mean?

05-16-2007, 04:23 PM	#7
JOESAM2002 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: CRYSTAL BEACH TEXAS Posts: 4,100	Chida= Tarzans monkey!

05-16-2007, 04:29 PM	#8
WhoDat205 Prediction Pain Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 1,082 Blog Entries: 2	Oh, I see, "the net is Tarzan's Monkey, but unattainable." Thanks for clearing that up.