We won't stand for it anymore!

CheramieIII · 05-13-2007, 11:02 AM

Pacman thinks he's going to get out of the suspension. I mean come on, going to a strip club before your meeting with the commish and getting a speeding ticket just 5 days before your scheduled meeting. I guess he didn't get the memo about staying out of trouble or can he even read? Is he another player who was passed through college just because he can play sports? He must have thought the speeding ticket was just an autograph signing session along the interstate that he was late for because the fool was SPEEDING!

Pacman is the new "Pacwoman" (biatch). He, as well as Ricky, Vick (we all know he knew about the dogfights), Henry and the like need to be bannished from the league and I'm sure if I searched enough I could come up with about 50 other names. You know for everything Terrell Owens has done these guy's make him look like Mother Teresa.

It's time to clean up professional sports and if the NFL is on the cutting edge of that movement they will certainly pick up alot more rabid fans in the process. This is not just an NFL problem, I mean look at the NBA, it's even worse. Baseball has it's own problems, steroids and yes, we all know that most who say they didn't, DID! Hockey is the only sport that really doesn't have this image problem, except during the games when the fight, but hell that's why everyone goes to the damn games in the first place, so let's have more of that and they should pick up fans too.

Your average fan is getting very tired of hearing about all of the arrest, tickets and sightings of football players during a shooting at any strip club in the country, you pick the strip club or players getting shot or killed for that matter. I guess we all want to know what the arrest rate is for the NFL as a profession or better yet the rate that an NFL player is named during an incident? I bet you it is far higher than any other profession, well maybe not prostitute, pimp, thief, hitman or drug dealer.

Your average fan makes what 30 to 40K a year and these dumb idiots make in some cases 100 times that much. Your average fan spends his hard earned money to watch these fools and support their freakin bad habits.

Enough is enough and we won't stand for it anymore.

Signed,

An Average Fan

JJT211 · 05-13-2007, 12:17 PM

The prob in professional sports as a whole, IMO, is the fact that most of these people suddenly come into an exorborant amount of money so fast and dont quite know how to handle that kind of freedom...

In any other profession financial success comes at a much slower pace and therefore comes the learned responsibilty of how to handle alot of money

Not to mention that the media has its magnifying glass on every lil detail of your life as a pro....Steve McNair's consentual DUI was total bullsh*t for example...Mike Vick's dog thing is borderline BS too (not cuz im for dog figthing rings or anything...but its just an indirect link to Vick)

Im not trying to make excuses as Pacman and others in similar situations need action to be taken against....repeat offenders especailly....

But after all is said and done, suffering from the scrutiny of the media and public eye is a small price to pay for the type of money these guys make

hagan714 · 05-13-2007, 12:27 PM

punks getting millions is always a problem.
Nice letter Cher. Long time no see.

CheramieIII · 05-13-2007, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by JJT211

The prob in professional sports as a whole, IMO, is the fact that most of these people suddenly come into an exorborant amount of money so fast and dont quite know how to handle that kind of freedom...

In any other profession financial success comes at a much slower pace and therefore comes the learned responsibilty of how to handle alot of money

Not to mention that the media has its magnifying glass on every lil detail of your life as a pro....Steve McNair's consentual DUI was total bullsh*t for example...Mike Vick's dog thing is borderline BS too (not cuz im for dog figthing rings or anything...but its just an indirect link to Vick)

Im not trying to make excuses as Pacman and others in similar situations need action to be taken against....repeat offenders especailly....

But after all is said and done, suffering from the scrutiny of the media and public eye is a small price to pay for the type of money these guys make

Nothing excuses breaking the law, NOTHING! and if you happen to be in a place where something illegal is happening you should take whatever is coming to you.

The players I mentioned have no respect for what they have, neither the talent or the money. Their parents are partly to blame for the upbringing but at what point in a man's life should he become responsible for his own actions irregardless of his upbringing. I think everyone I named has past that age.

Maybe the NFL should send them all to a morale values school and let them learn the finer points in life, like freakin tea and crumpits!

JJT211 · 05-13-2007, 12:32 PM

Ok ill take back that Vick statement as ive read more up on it....he deserves what he gets...especially the way he is handling it....

Tobias-Reiper · 05-13-2007, 12:32 PM

Well, if you are tired of hearing about arrests, tickets, etc, the simple solution is don't watch sports shows on TV or listen to them on the radio.

The NFL is an entertainment corporation, nothing more, nothing less. And certainly it is not the judiciary branch of the U.S. gov't. There are thousands of people who get speeding tickets every day. The difference is that ESPN or Fox Sports is not there to report it. When it comes to shootings at strip clubs that are reported on ESPN, surely there are much more non-football players than football players involved. If no athlete is involved, you don't get to hear about them on ESPN or Fox Sports.

CheramieIII · 05-13-2007, 12:43 PM

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

Well, if you are tired of hearing about arrests, tickets, etc, the simple solution is don't watch sports shows on TV or listen to them on the radio.

The NFL is an entertainment corporation, nothing more, nothing less. And certainly it is not the judiciary branch of the U.S. gov't. There are thousands of people who get speeding tickets every day. The difference is that ESPN or Fox Sports is not there to report it. When it comes to shootings at strip clubs that are reported on ESPN, surely there are much more non-football players than football players involved. If no athlete is involved, you don't get to hear about them on ESPN or Fox Sports.

So, I assume from your statement that the NFL allows this stuff to go on because it's just entertainment, shock value, more people will watch a train wreck theory? It has nothing to do with an 8 year old boy in Toledo who watches Vick play football and idolizes the stupid SOB and wants to be just like him?

and yes I will have to agree with you that thousands of people get speeding tickets everyday, but I am very sure that not many of them are in the same situation as Pacwoman.

and yes Reiper you have to admit there have been alot of shootings at strip clubs invloving professional athletes in recent months. I don't think I've seen any other stories on the news involving your average fan shooting something at a strip club in Atlanta other than a load in his pants.

JJT211 · 05-13-2007, 12:57 PM

Originally Posted by CheramieIII

Nothing excuses breaking the law, NOTHING! and if you happen to be in a place where something illegal is happening you should take whatever is coming to you.

The players I mentioned have no respect for what they have, neither the talent or the money. Their parents are partly to blame for the upbringing but at what point in a man's life should he become responsible for his own actions irregardless of his upbringing. I think everyone I named has past that age.

Maybe the NFL should send them all to a morale values school and let them learn the finer points in life, like freakin tea and crumpits!

Have you read up on the Steve McNair thing though? He wasnt even driving the car! Its called consentual DUI or whatever and basically since he owns the car he's responsible for his DD or whatever....I just think its a lil excessive...

CheramieIII · 05-13-2007, 01:00 PM

Yeah J, I read about the McNair incident and think that is totally stupid, but the law is the law in Tennessee and if you own a snowmobile in the state of Tennessee you need to know that if it runs out of gas you are responsible by law to fill it up again!

Tobias-Reiper · 05-13-2007, 01:35 PM

Originally Posted by CheramieIII

So, I assume from your statement that the NFL allows this stuff to go on because it's just entertainment, shock value, more people will watch a train wreck theory? It has nothing to do with an 8 year old boy in Toledo who watches Vick play football and idolizes the stupid SOB and wants to be just like him?

and yes I will have to agree with you that thousands of people get speeding tickets everyday, but I am very sure that not many of them are in the same situation as Pacwoman.

and yes Reiper you have to admit there have been alot of shootings at strip clubs invloving professional athletes in recent months. I don't think I've seen any other stories on the news involving your average fan shooting something at a strip club in Atlanta other than a load in his pants.

First off, drop the holier than thou attitude.

Second, I have never seen a football player drive drunk at a football game, nor seen a football player fire a weapon at a football game, nor get arrested at a football game. So no one watches NFL games to see a "train wreck".

Third, I don't care about the 8 year old in Toledo. He's got parents. If not , life's though.
In any case, the kid could watch Vick play football and aspire to play like him. However, he would have to watch ESPN/surf and/or BDSS to learn about Vick's other issues.

Again, you simply don't hear stories about other shootings at strip clubs if they don't involve someone in the limelight, as simple as that. I live in NC. Merely hours after the Jones incident in Las Vegas, I heard about it on the radio. Around the same date, a cop was shot and killed at a very popular night club ( no strip club) where I live. Did you hear about it? Chances are you didn't, because it involved nobodies.

For the thousands of people who get speeding tickets every day, there has to be millions who don't get caught when speeding. Have you ever gone faster than the speed limit? How would you like to get a speeding ticket, then go to work the next day abd get "suspended without pay"? Oh, yeah, they make millions for playing football, and you would get paid millions too, if you did something millions of people would want to watch, and hundreds of corporations would want to advertise on it, and people would by the same hat and shirt you were... but alas, you don't.

05-13-2007, 11:02 AM	#1
CheramieIII Fan Since 1967 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Nomad Posts: 7,487 Blog Entries: 3	We won't stand for it anymore! Pacman thinks he's going to get out of the suspension. I mean come on, going to a strip club before your meeting with the commish and getting a speeding ticket just 5 days before your scheduled meeting. I guess he didn't get the memo about staying out of trouble or can he even read? Is he another player who was passed through college just because he can play sports? He must have thought the speeding ticket was just an autograph signing session along the interstate that he was late for because the fool was SPEEDING! Pacman is the new "Pacwoman" (biatch). He, as well as Ricky, Vick (we all know he knew about the dogfights), Henry and the like need to be bannished from the league and I'm sure if I searched enough I could come up with about 50 other names. You know for everything Terrell Owens has done these guy's make him look like Mother Teresa. It's time to clean up professional sports and if the NFL is on the cutting edge of that movement they will certainly pick up alot more rabid fans in the process. This is not just an NFL problem, I mean look at the NBA, it's even worse. Baseball has it's own problems, steroids and yes, we all know that most who say they didn't, DID! Hockey is the only sport that really doesn't have this image problem, except during the games when the fight, but hell that's why everyone goes to the damn games in the first place, so let's have more of that and they should pick up fans too. Your average fan is getting very tired of hearing about all of the arrest, tickets and sightings of football players during a shooting at any strip club in the country, you pick the strip club or players getting shot or killed for that matter. I guess we all want to know what the arrest rate is for the NFL as a profession or better yet the rate that an NFL player is named during an incident? I bet you it is far higher than any other profession, well maybe not prostitute, pimp, thief, hitman or drug dealer. Your average fan makes what 30 to 40K a year and these dumb idiots make in some cases 100 times that much. Your average fan spends his hard earned money to watch these fools and support their freakin bad habits. Enough is enough and we won't stand for it anymore. Signed, An Average Fan
	Golf and sex are about the only things you can enjoy without being good at them. Jimmy Demaret

05-13-2007, 12:17 PM	#2
JJT211 Rookie Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 4	The prob in professional sports as a whole, IMO, is the fact that most of these people suddenly come into an exorborant amount of money so fast and dont quite know how to handle that kind of freedom... In any other profession financial success comes at a much slower pace and therefore comes the learned responsibilty of how to handle alot of money Not to mention that the media has its magnifying glass on every lil detail of your life as a pro....Steve McNair's consentual DUI was total bullsh*t for example...Mike Vick's dog thing is borderline BS too (not cuz im for dog figthing rings or anything...but its just an indirect link to Vick) Im not trying to make excuses as Pacman and others in similar situations need action to be taken against....repeat offenders especailly.... But after all is said and done, suffering from the scrutiny of the media and public eye is a small price to pay for the type of money these guys make
JJT211 Rookie Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 4

05-13-2007, 12:32 PM	#4
CheramieIII Fan Since 1967 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Nomad Posts: 7,487 Blog Entries: 3	Originally Posted by JJT211 The prob in professional sports as a whole, IMO, is the fact that most of these people suddenly come into an exorborant amount of money so fast and dont quite know how to handle that kind of freedom... In any other profession financial success comes at a much slower pace and therefore comes the learned responsibilty of how to handle alot of money Not to mention that the media has its magnifying glass on every lil detail of your life as a pro....Steve McNair's consentual DUI was total bullsh*t for example...Mike Vick's dog thing is borderline BS too (not cuz im for dog figthing rings or anything...but its just an indirect link to Vick) Im not trying to make excuses as Pacman and others in similar situations need action to be taken against....repeat offenders especailly.... But after all is said and done, suffering from the scrutiny of the media and public eye is a small price to pay for the type of money these guys make Nothing excuses breaking the law, NOTHING! and if you happen to be in a place where something illegal is happening you should take whatever is coming to you. The players I mentioned have no respect for what they have, neither the talent or the money. Their parents are partly to blame for the upbringing but at what point in a man's life should he become responsible for his own actions irregardless of his upbringing. I think everyone I named has past that age. Maybe the NFL should send them all to a morale values school and let them learn the finer points in life, like freakin tea and crumpits!
	Golf and sex are about the only things you can enjoy without being good at them. Jimmy Demaret

05-13-2007, 12:32 PM	#5
JJT211 Rookie Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 4	Ok ill take back that Vick statement as ive read more up on it....he deserves what he gets...especially the way he is handling it....
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05-13-2007, 12:32 PM	#6
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Well, if you are tired of hearing about arrests, tickets, etc, the simple solution is don't watch sports shows on TV or listen to them on the radio. The NFL is an entertainment corporation, nothing more, nothing less. And certainly it is not the judiciary branch of the U.S. gov't. There are thousands of people who get speeding tickets every day. The difference is that ESPN or Fox Sports is not there to report it. When it comes to shootings at strip clubs that are reported on ESPN, surely there are much more non-football players than football players involved. If no athlete is involved, you don't get to hear about them on ESPN or Fox Sports.
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05-13-2007, 12:27 PM	#3
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	punks getting millions is always a problem. Nice letter Cher. Long time no see.

05-13-2007, 12:43 PM	#7
CheramieIII Fan Since 1967 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Nomad Posts: 7,487 Blog Entries: 3	Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper Well, if you are tired of hearing about arrests, tickets, etc, the simple solution is don't watch sports shows on TV or listen to them on the radio. The NFL is an entertainment corporation, nothing more, nothing less. And certainly it is not the judiciary branch of the U.S. gov't. There are thousands of people who get speeding tickets every day. The difference is that ESPN or Fox Sports is not there to report it. When it comes to shootings at strip clubs that are reported on ESPN, surely there are much more non-football players than football players involved. If no athlete is involved, you don't get to hear about them on ESPN or Fox Sports. So, I assume from your statement that the NFL allows this stuff to go on because it's just entertainment, shock value, more people will watch a train wreck theory? It has nothing to do with an 8 year old boy in Toledo who watches Vick play football and idolizes the stupid SOB and wants to be just like him? and yes I will have to agree with you that thousands of people get speeding tickets everyday, but I am very sure that not many of them are in the same situation as Pacwoman. and yes Reiper you have to admit there have been alot of shootings at strip clubs invloving professional athletes in recent months. I don't think I've seen any other stories on the news involving your average fan shooting something at a strip club in Atlanta other than a load in his pants.
	Golf and sex are about the only things you can enjoy without being good at them. Jimmy Demaret

05-13-2007, 12:57 PM	#8
JJT211 Rookie Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 4	Originally Posted by CheramieIII Nothing excuses breaking the law, NOTHING! and if you happen to be in a place where something illegal is happening you should take whatever is coming to you. The players I mentioned have no respect for what they have, neither the talent or the money. Their parents are partly to blame for the upbringing but at what point in a man's life should he become responsible for his own actions irregardless of his upbringing. I think everyone I named has past that age. Maybe the NFL should send them all to a morale values school and let them learn the finer points in life, like freakin tea and crumpits! Have you read up on the Steve McNair thing though? He wasnt even driving the car! Its called consentual DUI or whatever and basically since he owns the car he's responsible for his DD or whatever....I just think its a lil excessive...
JJT211 Rookie Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 4

05-13-2007, 01:00 PM	#9
CheramieIII Fan Since 1967 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Nomad Posts: 7,487 Blog Entries: 3	Yeah J, I read about the McNair incident and think that is totally stupid, but the law is the law in Tennessee and if you own a snowmobile in the state of Tennessee you need to know that if it runs out of gas you are responsible by law to fill it up again!

05-13-2007, 01:35 PM	#10
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Originally Posted by CheramieIII So, I assume from your statement that the NFL allows this stuff to go on because it's just entertainment, shock value, more people will watch a train wreck theory? It has nothing to do with an 8 year old boy in Toledo who watches Vick play football and idolizes the stupid SOB and wants to be just like him? and yes I will have to agree with you that thousands of people get speeding tickets everyday, but I am very sure that not many of them are in the same situation as Pacwoman. and yes Reiper you have to admit there have been alot of shootings at strip clubs invloving professional athletes in recent months. I don't think I've seen any other stories on the news involving your average fan shooting something at a strip club in Atlanta other than a load in his pants. First off, drop the holier than thou attitude. Second, I have never seen a football player drive drunk at a football game, nor seen a football player fire a weapon at a football game, nor get arrested at a football game. So no one watches NFL games to see a "train wreck". Third, I don't care about the 8 year old in Toledo. He's got parents. If not , life's though. In any case, the kid could watch Vick play football and aspire to play like him. However, he would have to watch ESPN/surf and/or BDSS to learn about Vick's other issues. Again, you simply don't hear stories about other shootings at strip clubs if they don't involve someone in the limelight, as simple as that. I live in NC. Merely hours after the Jones incident in Las Vegas, I heard about it on the radio. Around the same date, a cop was shot and killed at a very popular night club ( no strip club) where I live. Did you hear about it? Chances are you didn't, because it involved nobodies. For the thousands of people who get speeding tickets every day, there has to be millions who don't get caught when speeding. Have you ever gone faster than the speed limit? How would you like to get a speeding ticket, then go to work the next day abd get "suspended without pay"? Oh, yeah, they make millions for playing football, and you would get paid millions too, if you did something millions of people would want to watch, and hundreds of corporations would want to advertise on it, and people would by the same hat and shirt you were... but alas, you don't.
	'Cause the simple man pays the thrills, the bills and the pills that kill