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Euphoria 05-29-2007 03:03 PM

Well its posted and leaves it up for debate.

The hit clearly shows helmet to helmet and even the announcers point it out. Just because a players isn't fined doesn't make it legal... also who cares what TED? whatever... the footage shows helmet to helmet/or blow to the head.

Its an illegal hit. 15 yards and an automatic first down. Call stands.

mighty12 05-29-2007 03:40 PM

A helmet to helmet hit gets further review and if it is seen as a deliberate ILLEGAL hit, that person is fined. That did NOT happen. Ted Bruschi is the great NE LB (Yes a defensive player for the team who's player was knocked.) That is why it makes a difference. Refs get many calls wrong (We know this. We are Saints fans.), but when the NFL gets their hands on the tape they don't get it wrong.

ScottyRo 05-29-2007 03:40 PM

It looked legal to me. He lead with his shoulder and there was incidental helmet to helmet contact. Not all helmet to helmet contact is illegal. If it were they'd never finish a game because there are multiple helmet to helmet contacts on EVERY play.

The fact is that this was another of those penalties that were thrown because of what the refs thought they saw rather than what actually happened. The replay clearly shows shoulder first contact. Otherwise, the WR had both feet on the ground so you can't say he was defenseless. If it had been the Saints rather than the Patriots that was on offense the flag would likely have been picked up and the ball ruled fumbled.

Euphoria 05-29-2007 03:49 PM

AGAIN... the penalty charged is "UNECCASARY ROUGHNESS, A BLOW TO THE HEAD" It doesn't have to be helmet to helmet. Its clearly a blow to the head. -15 yards penalty!!! Is anyone watching the same footage and listening to it???

You don't have to get fined by in order for the hit to be legal or not... you don't get fined for being offsides.

mighty12 05-29-2007 03:54 PM

offsides is also not an ILLEGAL HIT! The argument is done. Watch the footage and enjoy

Euphoria 05-29-2007 03:59 PM

I will not give your the privlege of ending a discussion. The penalty was enforced and never retracted by Officials. Personal Foul for uneccesaray roughness by blow to the head, is not good football. Lack of class to celebrate hits that are illegal. IT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE HELMET TO HELMET.

mighty12 05-29-2007 04:07 PM

And how many holding penalties leave you ripping your hair out because the refs got it wrong, or a 5 yard facemask grab that is called 15 when it was clearly an innocent slight of hand. REFS ARE WRONG

Euphoria 05-29-2007 04:27 PM

but they didn't make a statement nor the announcers said it was a bad call... the announcers were in support of the call, so now what?

mighty12 05-29-2007 06:36 PM

I really can't see why you are getting so defensive about this. If all you want is for someone to say "You're right, everyone who disagrees with you is wrong." Then just say so, and I am sure someone will oblige. As for me I would agree more with the NFL officials who looked over the hit for a week and deemed it a nonmalicious hit, and I would also tend to lean towards a guy playing for the OTHER team who agrees that it was NOT an illegal hit, but that is just me. I am known for leaning towards the side of truth and reason.

blacksaint 05-29-2007 07:12 PM

Man please, if he did that last year in the BLACK & GOLD against Chicago we would have praised him. So the only thing I can say is thank you, after a few games last year you can't argue that we need a lil in your face, smash mouth, physical defense, I'm all for it. Way to go K.K.


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