anyone seen this....

ScottyRo · 05-29-2007, 04:40 PM

It looked legal to me. He lead with his shoulder and there was incidental helmet to helmet contact. Not all helmet to helmet contact is illegal. If it were they'd never finish a game because there are multiple helmet to helmet contacts on EVERY play.

The fact is that this was another of those penalties that were thrown because of what the refs thought they saw rather than what actually happened. The replay clearly shows shoulder first contact. Otherwise, the WR had both feet on the ground so you can't say he was defenseless. If it had been the Saints rather than the Patriots that was on offense the flag would likely have been picked up and the ball ruled fumbled.

Euphoria · 05-29-2007, 04:49 PM

AGAIN... the penalty charged is "UNECCASARY ROUGHNESS, A BLOW TO THE HEAD" It doesn't have to be helmet to helmet. Its clearly a blow to the head. -15 yards penalty!!! Is anyone watching the same footage and listening to it???

You don't have to get fined by in order for the hit to be legal or not... you don't get fined for being offsides.

mighty12 · 05-29-2007, 04:54 PM

offsides is also not an ILLEGAL HIT! The argument is done. Watch the footage and enjoy

Euphoria · 05-29-2007, 04:59 PM

I will not give your the privlege of ending a discussion. The penalty was enforced and never retracted by Officials. Personal Foul for uneccesaray roughness by blow to the head, is not good football. Lack of class to celebrate hits that are illegal. IT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE HELMET TO HELMET.

mighty12 · 05-29-2007, 05:07 PM

And how many holding penalties leave you ripping your hair out because the refs got it wrong, or a 5 yard facemask grab that is called 15 when it was clearly an innocent slight of hand. REFS ARE WRONG

Euphoria · 05-29-2007, 05:27 PM

but they didn't make a statement nor the announcers said it was a bad call... the announcers were in support of the call, so now what?

mighty12 · 05-29-2007, 07:36 PM

I really can't see why you are getting so defensive about this. If all you want is for someone to say "You're right, everyone who disagrees with you is wrong." Then just say so, and I am sure someone will oblige. As for me I would agree more with the NFL officials who looked over the hit for a week and deemed it a nonmalicious hit, and I would also tend to lean towards a guy playing for the OTHER team who agrees that it was NOT an illegal hit, but that is just me. I am known for leaning towards the side of truth and reason.

blacksaint · 05-29-2007, 08:12 PM

Man please, if he did that last year in the BLACK & GOLD against Chicago we would have praised him. So the only thing I can say is thank you, after a few games last year you can't argue that we need a lil in your face, smash mouth, physical defense, I'm all for it. Way to go K.K.

cadilacin · 05-29-2007, 10:52 PM

Well Done KK!! I don't like to see any player get hurt. But I LOVE to see big hits. He did go head to head but it wasn't his intent. Caldwell did end up ok...so all is good.

But I hope KK keep drilling boys like this...WELL DONE!!

ScottF · 05-29-2007, 11:08 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

I will not give your the privlege of ending a discussion. The penalty was enforced and never retracted by Officials. Personal Foul for uneccesaray roughness by blow to the head, is not good football. Lack of class to celebrate hits that are illegal. IT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE HELMET TO HELMET.

Exactly.

End result------15 yards and a first down.

Please do no not respond to this post that it was not illegal , or not a blow to the head.

IT WAS.

and so what: KK is not known as a dirty player, it was a one time incident, and he wasn't playing for the Saints at the time.
Last year he also had 8 tackles and a pick against us- no argument about that.

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cadilacin "Real Talk" Join Date: May 2007 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 148	well done Well Done KK!! I don't like to see any player get hurt. But I LOVE to see big hits. He did go head to head but it wasn't his intent. Caldwell did end up ok...so all is good. But I hope KK keep drilling boys like this...WELL DONE!!

05-29-2007, 11:08 PM	#30
ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Originally Posted by Euphoria I will not give your the privlege of ending a discussion. The penalty was enforced and never retracted by Officials. Personal Foul for uneccesaray roughness by blow to the head, is not good football. Lack of class to celebrate hits that are illegal. IT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE HELMET TO HELMET. Exactly. End result------15 yards and a first down. Please do no not respond to this post that it was not illegal , or not a blow to the head. IT WAS. and so what: KK is not known as a dirty player, it was a one time incident, and he wasn't playing for the Saints at the time. Last year he also had 8 tackles and a pick against us- no argument about that.
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05-29-2007, 04:40 PM	#21
ScottyRo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Williamsburg, VA (ugh, the food here) Posts: 1,704	It looked legal to me. He lead with his shoulder and there was incidental helmet to helmet contact. Not all helmet to helmet contact is illegal. If it were they'd never finish a game because there are multiple helmet to helmet contacts on EVERY play. The fact is that this was another of those penalties that were thrown because of what the refs thought they saw rather than what actually happened. The replay clearly shows shoulder first contact. Otherwise, the WR had both feet on the ground so you can't say he was defenseless. If it had been the Saints rather than the Patriots that was on offense the flag would likely have been picked up and the ball ruled fumbled.

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05-29-2007, 04:49 PM	#22
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	AGAIN... the penalty charged is "UNECCASARY ROUGHNESS, A BLOW TO THE HEAD" It doesn't have to be helmet to helmet. Its clearly a blow to the head. -15 yards penalty!!! Is anyone watching the same footage and listening to it??? You don't have to get fined by in order for the hit to be legal or not... you don't get fined for being offsides.

05-29-2007, 04:54 PM	#23
mighty12 500th Post Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 980 Blog Entries: 1	offsides is also not an ILLEGAL HIT! The argument is done. Watch the footage and enjoy

05-29-2007, 04:59 PM	#24
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	I will not give your the privlege of ending a discussion. The penalty was enforced and never retracted by Officials. Personal Foul for uneccesaray roughness by blow to the head, is not good football. Lack of class to celebrate hits that are illegal. IT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE HELMET TO HELMET.

05-29-2007, 05:07 PM	#25
mighty12 500th Post Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 980 Blog Entries: 1	And how many holding penalties leave you ripping your hair out because the refs got it wrong, or a 5 yard facemask grab that is called 15 when it was clearly an innocent slight of hand. REFS ARE WRONG

05-29-2007, 05:27 PM	#26
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	but they didn't make a statement nor the announcers said it was a bad call... the announcers were in support of the call, so now what?

05-29-2007, 07:36 PM	#27
mighty12 500th Post Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 980 Blog Entries: 1	I really can't see why you are getting so defensive about this. If all you want is for someone to say "You're right, everyone who disagrees with you is wrong." Then just say so, and I am sure someone will oblige. As for me I would agree more with the NFL officials who looked over the hit for a week and deemed it a nonmalicious hit, and I would also tend to lean towards a guy playing for the OTHER team who agrees that it was NOT an illegal hit, but that is just me. I am known for leaning towards the side of truth and reason.

05-29-2007, 08:12 PM	#28
blacksaint DARE TO ENTER Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Home Sweet Home, NEW ORLEANS, La. Posts: 1,154	Man please, if he did that last year in the BLACK & GOLD against Chicago we would have praised him. So the only thing I can say is thank you, after a few games last year you can't argue that we need a lil in your face, smash mouth, physical defense, I'm all for it. Way to go K.K.