If Deuce gets over 10,000 yards, is he HOF material

Saintman2884 · 06-20-2007, 09:12 PM

I want your imput on this guys, if Deuce can somehow can get 10,000 yards in his overall career, do you think he should get in the HOF? Take into account he may win a few NFC Titles before he gets there, and maybe a SB, but if you are an NFL HOF commissioner and you had to vote for a guy like Deuce MC, and he had 10,000 yards in his career, would you vote for him?

Thats my question to you guys, I think Deuce will get near 10,000 yards before it all said and done with the Saints and or another team, and yes It is hard to get 10,000 yards, hell its hard to get even 6,000 which Deuce has now already, before its all said and done if he gets that 10,000 number, and it is hypothetical,

Does Deuce Deserve the HOF?

ScottyRo · 06-20-2007, 09:33 PM

So far, I say no. Deuce is my favorite Saints player, but his injuries have kept him from maintaining recognition as an elite RB. He's gotten there once or twice, but then it has vanished. However, if this team does do well, then I can see him getting a ton more credit for what's happening with the team and winning Championships and SB's will certainly help.

I'm thinking 12,000 yards would make him much viable for HOF. I guess the question I have is where is the yardage line that gets you in? Is every RB with 10,000 yards in the HOF? Is it 12,000?

MatthewT · 06-20-2007, 09:35 PM

I think it's possible that Deuce is capable of getting to the 10,000 yard mark, but may no longer be likely. His work load will probably steadily decrease in the up coming years. Then you have to consider his age. He is still a relatively young guy age wise, but when considering the years he has played in the NFL would suggest he is on the back end of his career. If he can go another solid 4 or 5 years, then maybe he has a chance at the HOF, especially if the Saints play great during that stretch. Even if he gets to the 10,000 yard mark, I would say he is fringe at best for making the HOF, the 10,000 yard mark is no guarantee these days.

ScottyRo · 06-20-2007, 09:44 PM

1. x-Emmitt Smith, Arizona 18,355
2. Walter Payton 16,726
3. Barry Sanders 15,269
4. x-Curtis Martin, NY Jets 13,366
5. x-Jerome Bettis, Pittsburgh 13,294
6. Eric Dickerson 13,259
7. Tony Dorsett 12,739
8. Jim Brown 12,312
9. Marcus Allen 12,243
10. Franco Harris 12,120
11. Thurman Thomas 12,074
12. x-Marshall Faulk, St. Louis 11,987
13. John Riggins 11,352
14. O.J. Simpson 11,236
15. Ricky Watters 10,643
16. x-Eddie George, Dallas 10,441
17. Ottis Anderson 10,273
18. x-Corey Dillon, New England 9,696
19. Earl Campbell 9,407
20. Terry Allen 8,614

I got the above from: http://www.canoe.ca/StatsFBP/BC-FBP-...USHLEAD-R.html

From that list i ould say it is going to tke at least 11,000 yards for him to make the HOF. A RB like Tomlinson could probably make it on less because he is generally respected as the best in the game and has been for a few years. It'll be interesting to see what happens with Curtis Martin and Jerme Bettis.

I've felt like Martin would make the HOF, but not really for Bettis. If for some reason one of these uys doesn't get in, then that will raise the bar on what it takes yardage wise.

I see Faulk with a good chance for the same reason as I explained with Tomlinson.

Ricky Waters and Eddie George are both close to that 11k, but I don't see them as HOF. Don't take this wrong though, I think a guy like Corey Dillon might make it ith less yards than them. Yardage isn't everything here.

If Deuce is at 6k now I can see him approaching 10k without another long term injury. How much more than that depends on a lot of factors.

nedly · 06-20-2007, 10:01 PM

If Deuce gets the rushing title, and a superbowl MVP this year, he will be a hall of famer. I want to see him on fire for one full season, and have everything go right.

WhoDat205 · 06-21-2007, 09:09 AM

I am so biased because he's my favorite player, but logic tells me that as it stands now, he's not a HOFer. If the Saints make a run at a few SBs over the next three years and win one or two with Deuce being a major contributor, then his chances are better, regardless of his yardage.

To me, the Hall is less about stats and more about being a model NFL player. That starts with on field performance, but you gotta look at character on and off the field and try to judge a players overall impact on the NFL and the game as a whole.

Take Madden for example. Obviously a great coach with the SB win and a stellar win percentage, but only coached 9 or 10 seasons. Him being the voice of the NFL since Cosell died had to have an impact on him getting to Canton.

papz · 06-21-2007, 09:16 AM

Take into account he may win a few NFC Titles before he gets there, and maybe a SB, but if you are an NFL HOF commissioner and you had to vote for a guy like Deuce MC, and he had 10,000 yards in his career, would you vote for him?

Then yes... if not, probably no. He needs more accolades. I'm a big numbers guy so if he should get 10,000 yards, he's at least worth consideration. I think lack of media attention and the market he plays in hurts his chances a bit.

mighty12 · 06-21-2007, 09:19 AM

I think he will be in the HOF, but he will not retire as a Saint. I would hate to see him go, but in 3-4 years when contracts are updated I don't see the organization shelling out 75% of our cap for the backfield(DEUCE, BREES, BUSH)

SapperSaint · 06-21-2007, 10:39 AM

Could he get there? Sure.

Will he get there? I doubt it, he is one Saint I would love to see in the HOF.

On a side note....

Good Lord can you just imagine what it would have been like if Barry didn't retire? I don't care what anyone says Barry is the greatest RB of all time, and I loved "Sweetness".

papz · 06-21-2007, 10:45 AM

I share that sentiment Sapper... absolutely the best running back of all time in my book.

06-20-2007, 09:12 PM	#1
Saintman2884 Rookie Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 29	If Deuce gets over 10,000 yards, is he HOF material I want your imput on this guys, if Deuce can somehow can get 10,000 yards in his overall career, do you think he should get in the HOF? Take into account he may win a few NFC Titles before he gets there, and maybe a SB, but if you are an NFL HOF commissioner and you had to vote for a guy like Deuce MC, and he had 10,000 yards in his career, would you vote for him? Thats my question to you guys, I think Deuce will get near 10,000 yards before it all said and done with the Saints and or another team, and yes It is hard to get 10,000 yards, hell its hard to get even 6,000 which Deuce has now already, before its all said and done if he gets that 10,000 number, and it is hypothetical, Does Deuce Deserve the HOF?
Saintman2884 Rookie Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 29

06-20-2007, 09:44 PM	#4
ScottyRo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Williamsburg, VA (ugh, the food here) Posts: 1,704	1. x-Emmitt Smith, Arizona 18,355 2. Walter Payton 16,726 3. Barry Sanders 15,269 4. x-Curtis Martin, NY Jets 13,366 5. x-Jerome Bettis, Pittsburgh 13,294 6. Eric Dickerson 13,259 7. Tony Dorsett 12,739 8. Jim Brown 12,312 9. Marcus Allen 12,243 10. Franco Harris 12,120 11. Thurman Thomas 12,074 12. x-Marshall Faulk, St. Louis 11,987 13. John Riggins 11,352 14. O.J. Simpson 11,236 15. Ricky Watters 10,643 16. x-Eddie George, Dallas 10,441 17. Ottis Anderson 10,273 18. x-Corey Dillon, New England 9,696 19. Earl Campbell 9,407 20. Terry Allen 8,614 I got the above from: http://www.canoe.ca/StatsFBP/BC-FBP-...USHLEAD-R.html From that list i ould say it is going to tke at least 11,000 yards for him to make the HOF. A RB like Tomlinson could probably make it on less because he is generally respected as the best in the game and has been for a few years. It'll be interesting to see what happens with Curtis Martin and Jerme Bettis. I've felt like Martin would make the HOF, but not really for Bettis. If for some reason one of these uys doesn't get in, then that will raise the bar on what it takes yardage wise. I see Faulk with a good chance for the same reason as I explained with Tomlinson. Ricky Waters and Eddie George are both close to that 11k, but I don't see them as HOF. Don't take this wrong though, I think a guy like Corey Dillon might make it ith less yards than them. Yardage isn't everything here. If Deuce is at 6k now I can see him approaching 10k without another long term injury. How much more than that depends on a lot of factors.
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06-20-2007, 10:01 PM	#5
nedly Registered Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 72	If Deuce gets the rushing title, and a superbowl MVP this year, he will be a hall of famer. I want to see him on fire for one full season, and have everything go right.
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06-21-2007, 09:09 AM	#6
WhoDat205 Prediction Pain Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 1,082 Blog Entries: 2	I am so biased because he's my favorite player, but logic tells me that as it stands now, he's not a HOFer. If the Saints make a run at a few SBs over the next three years and win one or two with Deuce being a major contributor, then his chances are better, regardless of his yardage. To me, the Hall is less about stats and more about being a model NFL player. That starts with on field performance, but you gotta look at character on and off the field and try to judge a players overall impact on the NFL and the game as a whole. Take Madden for example. Obviously a great coach with the SB win and a stellar win percentage, but only coached 9 or 10 seasons. Him being the voice of the NFL since Cosell died had to have an impact on him getting to Canton.
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06-20-2007, 09:33 PM	#2
ScottyRo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Williamsburg, VA (ugh, the food here) Posts: 1,704	So far, I say no. Deuce is my favorite Saints player, but his injuries have kept him from maintaining recognition as an elite RB. He's gotten there once or twice, but then it has vanished. However, if this team does do well, then I can see him getting a ton more credit for what's happening with the team and winning Championships and SB's will certainly help. I'm thinking 12,000 yards would make him much viable for HOF. I guess the question I have is where is the yardage line that gets you in? Is every RB with 10,000 yards in the HOF? Is it 12,000?

06-20-2007, 09:35 PM	#3
MatthewT 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 2,729	I think it's possible that Deuce is capable of getting to the 10,000 yard mark, but may no longer be likely. His work load will probably steadily decrease in the up coming years. Then you have to consider his age. He is still a relatively young guy age wise, but when considering the years he has played in the NFL would suggest he is on the back end of his career. If he can go another solid 4 or 5 years, then maybe he has a chance at the HOF, especially if the Saints play great during that stretch. Even if he gets to the 10,000 yard mark, I would say he is fringe at best for making the HOF, the 10,000 yard mark is no guarantee these days.

06-21-2007, 09:16 AM	#7
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,744	Take into account he may win a few NFC Titles before he gets there, and maybe a SB, but if you are an NFL HOF commissioner and you had to vote for a guy like Deuce MC, and he had 10,000 yards in his career, would you vote for him? Then yes... if not, probably no. He needs more accolades. I'm a big numbers guy so if he should get 10,000 yards, he's at least worth consideration. I think lack of media attention and the market he plays in hurts his chances a bit.

06-21-2007, 09:19 AM	#8
mighty12 500th Post Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 980 Blog Entries: 1	I think he will be in the HOF, but he will not retire as a Saint. I would hate to see him go, but in 3-4 years when contracts are updated I don't see the organization shelling out 75% of our cap for the backfield(DEUCE, BREES, BUSH)

06-21-2007, 10:39 AM	#9
SapperSaint Pink Nightmare Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 3,028 Blog Entries: 7	Could he get there? Sure. Will he get there? I doubt it, he is one Saint I would love to see in the HOF. On a side note.... Good Lord can you just imagine what it would have been like if Barry didn't retire? I don't care what anyone says Barry is the greatest RB of all time, and I loved "Sweetness".

06-21-2007, 10:45 AM	#10
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,744	I share that sentiment Sapper... absolutely the best running back of all time in my book.