Rumor: Tank Johnson to the Saints

ScottyRo · 07-04-2007, 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

Close doesn't count except in Horse-shoes and handgranades.

It was close enough to get him arrested.

I hope I'm not being referred to as having some motive here. I can see the potential on field benefit to the Saints, but there is also an off-field negative that could affect the Saints more than just having a suspended player. What if the Saints sign him, he screws up again and the NFL docks the Saints a draft pick?

I'm not saying what happened in AZ alone should warrant cause for concern, but his history of problems including what went on in AZ is.

Nemesis · 07-04-2007, 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by ssmitty

so then, it's just a rumor from clayton and has nothing more, right?

if so, what does everyone think about vick coming to n.o.?

That's another thread, but I don't really wanna hear Vick's name anymore. I don't care if he takes another snap.

Nemesis · 07-04-2007, 02:14 PM

Originally Posted by ScottyRo

It was close enough to get him arrested.

I hope I'm not being referred to as having some motive here. I can see the potential on field benefit to the Saints, but there is also an off-field negative that could affect the Saints more than just having a suspended player. What if the Saints sign him, he screws up again and the NFL docks the Saints a draft pick?

I'm not saying what happened in AZ alone should warrant cause for concern, but his history of problems including what went on in AZ is.

I've been arrested and had charges dropped before....Personally, I wasn't thinking of you as agenda driven. Which draft pick would he cost, should Tank be released?

Euphoria · 07-04-2007, 04:09 PM

...arrested but no charges, coming from grandmothers house. Big deal! In a couple of weeks teams will really start talking to him and see where he is. We should be one of the teams seriously checking him out.

Euphoria · 07-04-2007, 04:11 PM

Originally Posted by WillMacKenzie

I think it's all a bunch of B.S.

I'm waiting for the NFL to show up at MY door and suspend me for 8 games. Looks like Roger Goodell's into casting first stones. I can see if he steps on a man's face or commits murder, or you know, puts a late hit on someone which paralyzes them.

I probably have unregistered guns in my home that were passed down to me by my grandpa and stuff. I also have pitbulls in my house, 2 - which lovingly protect my home and siblings. Should I lose my job? Should the media come to my house and blow it all out of proportion, should I be the victim of crazy witch hunts, or should we go follow Roger Goodell around for a few weeks with a camera to see if he goes over the speed limit, if he has any guns, any dogs, or if he ever has a drink. B.S.

He'll be there soon enough he just left my place... I got a 6 game suspension, good luck.

ScottyRo · 07-04-2007, 05:31 PM

Again, I think the point should be clear that multiple infractions are the issue, not "I've been arrested once in my life". The US Supreme Court ruled a few years back in such a way that would allow you to be arrested for just about anything including speeding. If this episode in AZ had been Tank's only issue, I wouldn't have a problem with him at all. But given his history, I just can't justify him since he seems willing to continue to put himself in bad positions.

I don't know what draft pick a team might be deducted if they sign him and he screws up again. I would have to think it'd have to be high enough to make other teams think twice about making the same mistake. That might be as high as a 4th or a 5th.

It may go higher than that since many teams would probably willingly have traded for him with a higher pick than that. That may influence Goodell's decision too.

Nemesis · 07-04-2007, 06:01 PM

I was able to process what your point was. I'm troubled by this attitude of Tank being arrested, while not charged, as being considered another infraction.

BleedBlack&Gold · 07-04-2007, 06:03 PM

http://nola.com/saints/t-p/index.ssf...370.xml&coll=1

Sunday, July 01, 2007Jeff Duncan
Tank Johnson, Pacman Jones, Chris Henry.

With every embarrassing arrest and head-scratching headline it becomes more clear: The Saints and Hornets are doing things right.

Think about it. When was the last time a player from either of New Orleans' major-league sports teams ran afoul of the law? When was the last time either club even had a player in a negative headline?

The last transgressions I recall were Jammal Brown's arrest on domestic abuse charges last summer and Chris Andersen's 2006 suspension for violating the NBA's drug policy. The state dropped its case against Brown in February.

(It's hard to hold linebacker E.J. Kuale's March arrest on drug and firearm charges against the Saints. He was a fringe player who likely wouldn't have made the final roster, and the club cut Kuale the next day.)

Otherwise, there's been nary a sinner among the Saints and Hornets.

How refreshing. Our politicians might be a bunch of Boris Badenoffs, but our pro athletes are Dudley Do-Rights.

In fact, I'd venture to say New Orleans owns the best collection of good-guy athletes in America. You won't find better ambassadors than Deuce McAllister, Chris Paul, Drew Brees and Tyson Chandler. Take-home-to-momma types, all of 'em.

And these aren't end-of-the-bench extras handpicked to dress up the team photo and pad the charity docket. These are the team leaders. And for the most part, the rest of the rosters are filled with similar class acts.

ScottyRo · 07-04-2007, 06:42 PM

Originally Posted by Nemesis

I was able to process what your point was. I'm troubled by this attitude of Tank being arrested, while not charged, as being considered another infraction.

"Johnson's blood alcohol level was .072, under the presumptive limit in Arizona of .08 percent, police Sgt. Andrew Duncan said Monday."

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200....ap/index.html

Like I said, he was only under the limit by .008. Sure, he won't probably won't get convicted of DUI, but that's not because he didn't do anything wrong. He had been out of jail less time than he had been in jail and was (in my opinion) just plain lucky that he didn't test more than the .08 limit. To me, that shows that his attitude is one of complete disregard for trying to live a life that does not involve run ins with the law. Considering his history..that's an infraction. The Bears thought so too.

Nemesis · 07-04-2007, 07:06 PM

Hooray for the Bears. Other teams will bid on his services, so there is no concrete right or wrong.

07-04-2007, 01:59 PM	#51
ScottyRo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Williamsburg, VA (ugh, the food here) Posts: 1,704	Originally Posted by Euphoria Close doesn't count except in Horse-shoes and handgranades. It was close enough to get him arrested. I hope I'm not being referred to as having some motive here. I can see the potential on field benefit to the Saints, but there is also an off-field negative that could affect the Saints more than just having a suspended player. What if the Saints sign him, he screws up again and the NFL docks the Saints a draft pick? I'm not saying what happened in AZ alone should warrant cause for concern, but his history of problems including what went on in AZ is.

07-04-2007, 02:09 PM	#52
Nemesis VIP~~Drunken Clam Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Quahog Posts: 422	Originally Posted by ssmitty so then, it's just a rumor from clayton and has nothing more, right? if so, what does everyone think about vick coming to n.o.? That's another thread, but I don't really wanna hear Vick's name anymore. I don't care if he takes another snap.

07-04-2007, 02:14 PM	#53
Nemesis VIP~~Drunken Clam Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Quahog Posts: 422	Originally Posted by ScottyRo It was close enough to get him arrested. I hope I'm not being referred to as having some motive here. I can see the potential on field benefit to the Saints, but there is also an off-field negative that could affect the Saints more than just having a suspended player. What if the Saints sign him, he screws up again and the NFL docks the Saints a draft pick? I'm not saying what happened in AZ alone should warrant cause for concern, but his history of problems including what went on in AZ is. I've been arrested and had charges dropped before....Personally, I wasn't thinking of you as agenda driven. Which draft pick would he cost, should Tank be released?

07-04-2007, 04:11 PM	#55
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Originally Posted by WillMacKenzie I think it's all a bunch of B.S. I'm waiting for the NFL to show up at MY door and suspend me for 8 games. Looks like Roger Goodell's into casting first stones. I can see if he steps on a man's face or commits murder, or you know, puts a late hit on someone which paralyzes them. I probably have unregistered guns in my home that were passed down to me by my grandpa and stuff. I also have pitbulls in my house, 2 - which lovingly protect my home and siblings. Should I lose my job? Should the media come to my house and blow it all out of proportion, should I be the victim of crazy witch hunts, or should we go follow Roger Goodell around for a few weeks with a camera to see if he goes over the speed limit, if he has any guns, any dogs, or if he ever has a drink. B.S. He'll be there soon enough he just left my place... I got a 6 game suspension, good luck.

07-04-2007, 06:03 PM	#58
BleedBlack&Gold Registered Join Date: May 2007 Location: Springfield, MO Posts: 45	Check this http://nola.com/saints/t-p/index.ssf...370.xml&coll=1 Sunday, July 01, 2007Jeff Duncan Tank Johnson, Pacman Jones, Chris Henry. With every embarrassing arrest and head-scratching headline it becomes more clear: The Saints and Hornets are doing things right. Think about it. When was the last time a player from either of New Orleans' major-league sports teams ran afoul of the law? When was the last time either club even had a player in a negative headline? The last transgressions I recall were Jammal Brown's arrest on domestic abuse charges last summer and Chris Andersen's 2006 suspension for violating the NBA's drug policy. The state dropped its case against Brown in February. (It's hard to hold linebacker E.J. Kuale's March arrest on drug and firearm charges against the Saints. He was a fringe player who likely wouldn't have made the final roster, and the club cut Kuale the next day.) Otherwise, there's been nary a sinner among the Saints and Hornets. How refreshing. Our politicians might be a bunch of Boris Badenoffs, but our pro athletes are Dudley Do-Rights. In fact, I'd venture to say New Orleans owns the best collection of good-guy athletes in America. You won't find better ambassadors than Deuce McAllister, Chris Paul, Drew Brees and Tyson Chandler. Take-home-to-momma types, all of 'em. And these aren't end-of-the-bench extras handpicked to dress up the team photo and pad the charity docket. These are the team leaders. And for the most part, the rest of the rosters are filled with similar class acts.
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07-04-2007, 04:09 PM	#54
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	...arrested but no charges, coming from grandmothers house. Big deal! In a couple of weeks teams will really start talking to him and see where he is. We should be one of the teams seriously checking him out.

07-04-2007, 05:31 PM	#56
ScottyRo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Williamsburg, VA (ugh, the food here) Posts: 1,704	Again, I think the point should be clear that multiple infractions are the issue, not "I've been arrested once in my life". The US Supreme Court ruled a few years back in such a way that would allow you to be arrested for just about anything including speeding. If this episode in AZ had been Tank's only issue, I wouldn't have a problem with him at all. But given his history, I just can't justify him since he seems willing to continue to put himself in bad positions. I don't know what draft pick a team might be deducted if they sign him and he screws up again. I would have to think it'd have to be high enough to make other teams think twice about making the same mistake. That might be as high as a 4th or a 5th. It may go higher than that since many teams would probably willingly have traded for him with a higher pick than that. That may influence Goodell's decision too.

07-04-2007, 06:01 PM	#57
Nemesis VIP~~Drunken Clam Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Quahog Posts: 422	I was able to process what your point was. I'm troubled by this attitude of Tank being arrested, while not charged, as being considered another infraction.

07-04-2007, 06:42 PM	#59
ScottyRo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Williamsburg, VA (ugh, the food here) Posts: 1,704	Originally Posted by Nemesis I was able to process what your point was. I'm troubled by this attitude of Tank being arrested, while not charged, as being considered another infraction. "Johnson's blood alcohol level was .072, under the presumptive limit in Arizona of .08 percent, police Sgt. Andrew Duncan said Monday." http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200....ap/index.html Like I said, he was only under the limit by .008. Sure, he won't probably won't get convicted of DUI, but that's not because he didn't do anything wrong. He had been out of jail less time than he had been in jail and was (in my opinion) just plain lucky that he didn't test more than the .08 limit. To me, that shows that his attitude is one of complete disregard for trying to live a life that does not involve run ins with the law. Considering his history..that's an infraction. The Bears thought so too.

07-04-2007, 07:06 PM	#60
Nemesis VIP~~Drunken Clam Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Quahog Posts: 422	Hooray for the Bears. Other teams will bid on his services, so there is no concrete right or wrong.