My protest letter made the NY Times.......

danr5160 · 07-23-2007, 03:20 PM

Originally Posted by ScottyRo

PETA is WAAAAY out of line in calling for his suspension based on this indictment. You have to remember that an indictment is one side of the story: the prosecution's side. The defense does not get a chance to rebut any of the testimony or evidence. Prosecutors regularly use very shaky evidence in combination with whatever solid evidence they have to secure these indictments.

ScottyRo, I agree that's how our country was founded. However, have you actually read the indictment? There are 4 "cooperating witnesses" (granted they are all admitted dogfighter criminals and trying to cop a plea) producing a lot of very, very damning details, and a ton of hard evidence collected on Michael Vick's property. The business (Bad Newz Kennels) was in Vick's name. Some of the bets Vick allegedly paid directly were $tens of thousands, and you know that before the feds handed down the indictment they rationalized the alleged payoffs with transfers from his accounts. So you're right, he hasn't been found guilty, and the defense could still possibly pull off a miracle save. But I would NOT want those charges and that evidence facing me in federal court. This isn't the LA police and prosecutors, this is the FBI. This won't be an OJ circus, this is all business. I'm not ready to hang him, but anybody want to take a bet on the outcome?

stockman311 · 07-23-2007, 04:02 PM

Originally Posted by danr5160

I'm not ready to hang him, but anybody want to take a bet on the outcome?

I give him a less than 5% chance. He is most likely off to the pen. You still can't suspend him for a first time offense. If he is found guilty his life as he has known it is over and it should be. But this is not China or the Middle East. Our legal system as messed up as it is sometimes is what seperates us from the animals living in other countries without an "innocent until proven guilty" system.
However, if I were Mike Vick and I was given the opportunity to take a paid leave of absense I would jump on it. There is no way I would subject myself, my organization, and my teamates to the amount of media frenzy and public outcry that is about to descend on Flowery Mound, GA. If he has any selflessness left he should take his paycheck each week and focus on defending himself if he is innocent or making a plea bargain if he is guilty.

CheramieIII · 07-23-2007, 04:23 PM

Damn, I didn't think I would get any response out of this but glad to see it. I am not convicting Michael Vick before he goes to trial. I am only calling for fairness for everyone.

If I was charged with any felony my senior management team at best would suspend me without pay, but more than likely would fire me, period!

Now why should Michael Vick be treated any differently. The team belongs to Mr. Blank and I am sure there is something in Mr. Vicks contract that allows Mr. Blank to release Michael Vick for his conduct. Bird at fans, water bottle at the airport, slamming dogs to the ground and killing them. Yes, I understand the 3rd item is not proven yet, but isn't it Vicks responsibility to keep himself out of those situations, yes it is!

Believe me Vick at best will be suspended pending the outcome by tonight and worse cases scenario will be released by Thursday.

If you were any owner would you pick him up? As for me, NO!

JOESAM2002 · 07-23-2007, 09:46 PM

Here's something I don't understand. At the very least Vick is a liar. I can't see any way in hell he didn't know what was going on on his property unless he's totally brain dead (which is very possible). So if he knew, then what? Lieing isn't a felony I don't think but it sure makes him look guilty. I think Vick has worked himself into this situation and I for one hope he never gets out of it. Yes I am judging him before he officially charged but I don't like him and I don't like anyrhing associated with him.

P.S. Whats bad is, I liked him when he was in school. My how things change.I hope he frys!

07-23-2007, 03:20 PM	#1
danr5160 Rookie Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 6	Originally Posted by ScottyRo PETA is WAAAAY out of line in calling for his suspension based on this indictment. You have to remember that an indictment is one side of the story: the prosecution's side. The defense does not get a chance to rebut any of the testimony or evidence. Prosecutors regularly use very shaky evidence in combination with whatever solid evidence they have to secure these indictments. ScottyRo, I agree that's how our country was founded. However, have you actually read the indictment? There are 4 "cooperating witnesses" (granted they are all admitted dogfighter criminals and trying to cop a plea) producing a lot of very, very damning details, and a ton of hard evidence collected on Michael Vick's property. The business (Bad Newz Kennels) was in Vick's name. Some of the bets Vick allegedly paid directly were $tens of thousands, and you know that before the feds handed down the indictment they rationalized the alleged payoffs with transfers from his accounts. So you're right, he hasn't been found guilty, and the defense could still possibly pull off a miracle save. But I would NOT want those charges and that evidence facing me in federal court. This isn't the LA police and prosecutors, this is the FBI. This won't be an OJ circus, this is all business. I'm not ready to hang him, but anybody want to take a bet on the outcome?
danr5160 Rookie Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 6

07-23-2007, 04:02 PM	#2
stockman311 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,137	Originally Posted by danr5160 I'm not ready to hang him, but anybody want to take a bet on the outcome? I give him a less than 5% chance. He is most likely off to the pen. You still can't suspend him for a first time offense. If he is found guilty his life as he has known it is over and it should be. But this is not China or the Middle East. Our legal system as messed up as it is sometimes is what seperates us from the animals living in other countries without an "innocent until proven guilty" system. However, if I were Mike Vick and I was given the opportunity to take a paid leave of absense I would jump on it. There is no way I would subject myself, my organization, and my teamates to the amount of media frenzy and public outcry that is about to descend on Flowery Mound, GA. If he has any selflessness left he should take his paycheck each week and focus on defending himself if he is innocent or making a plea bargain if he is guilty.

07-23-2007, 04:23 PM	#3
CheramieIII Fan Since 1967 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Nomad Posts: 7,497 Blog Entries: 3	Damn, I didn't think I would get any response out of this but glad to see it. I am not convicting Michael Vick before he goes to trial. I am only calling for fairness for everyone. If I was charged with any felony my senior management team at best would suspend me without pay, but more than likely would fire me, period! Now why should Michael Vick be treated any differently. The team belongs to Mr. Blank and I am sure there is something in Mr. Vicks contract that allows Mr. Blank to release Michael Vick for his conduct. Bird at fans, water bottle at the airport, slamming dogs to the ground and killing them. Yes, I understand the 3rd item is not proven yet, but isn't it Vicks responsibility to keep himself out of those situations, yes it is! Believe me Vick at best will be suspended pending the outcome by tonight and worse cases scenario will be released by Thursday. If you were any owner would you pick him up? As for me, NO!
	Golf and sex are about the only things you can enjoy without being good at them. Jimmy Demaret

07-23-2007, 09:46 PM	#4
JOESAM2002 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: CRYSTAL BEACH TEXAS Posts: 4,100	Here's something I don't understand. At the very least Vick is a liar. I can't see any way in hell he didn't know what was going on on his property unless he's totally brain dead (which is very possible). So if he knew, then what? Lieing isn't a felony I don't think but it sure makes him look guilty. I think Vick has worked himself into this situation and I for one hope he never gets out of it. Yes I am judging him before he officially charged but I don't like him and I don't like anyrhing associated with him. P.S. Whats bad is, I liked him when he was in school. My how things change.I hope he frys!
	Sometimes it's better to keep your mouth shut and be thought an idiot, than to open it and remove all doubt!!!!! "Every time you think, you weaken the nation!" Moe Howard...The Three Stooges.