Haz on Tebucky..........

BillyCarpenter1 · 07-17-2003, 02:01 PM

Who considered him a ball hawk?

\"Knight has been a part of so many turnovers in his career ? 32 with one game left on the schedule ? it can no longer be explained as good fortune. Some of his teammates call him a ball hawk, and others say Knight is a playmaker. Either way, he?s a football magnet.\" (neworleanssaints.com)
\"Safety Sammy Knight is an opportunistic ball hawk.\" (CBFans Forum - Chicago Bears)
\"Hard-hitting ball hawk ...\" (from his nfl.com bio)

And most importantly I said so.

Bu Bu But............

Here\'s the deal:

Sammy Knight was a very good player who reached the heighth of his inability. He does not have the speed to make up for blown coverage and because of that it led to a lot of completions that shouldn\'t happen with Tebucky back there.

But don\'t take my word for it, just look at on the field next year and notice that Sammy Knight isn\'t back there.

nocloning · 07-17-2003, 02:14 PM

In a way I agree with you. His recognition skills didn\'t do him much good last year because even if he knew where the ball was going to end up, he was either to slow to get there or had been gambling that the offense would run a running play. If safeties feel they have to help out on running plays and even gamble a little they will look bad. It probably was a combination of both (lack of speed and having to help out the soapy-handed LBs) that made him look so bad last year.
It still remains true - at least in my eyes - that Jones isn\'t superior or equal in every aspect as you seem to imply (\"has all the qualities that S.K. has\"). Overall me may be a better player - or may fit the style of defense better - but Sammy had some qualities that Jones has not.

WhoDat · 07-17-2003, 03:06 PM

Bottom line is that we let a PRO BOWLER go b/c we didn\'t think he had the speed to deal with the track stars playing receiver and even QB now. Instead, we got a guy with all the physical skills who has been unable to live up to his potential yet.

In other words, we got rid of an overachiever for a \"POTENTIAL\" star. I like the Jones move, don\'t get me wrong, but let\'s not start talking like we got rid of Billy Joe Hobert and replaced him with Joe Montana. Let\'s see what happens. I think our safeties will be much improved and one of the defense\'s strong points... but our secondary will be average with three aging corners and the inconsistent play that is likely to come from both Mitchell (as he matures) and Jones (b/c that\'s his MO).

tweeky · 07-17-2003, 07:44 PM

Sammy Knight: Old School smash mouth, can\'t break a 5-sec 40, wasn\'t resigned. Miami got him for next to nothing. If Sammy still had speed, he\'d have been gone quick and for top dollar.

Tebucky Jones: (actually palys a different position than Knoght) LB size, CB speed, elite player. The Pats didn\'t franchise this guy because they were disappointed in him. If they thought he was a bust they damn sure wouldn\'t have put the franchise tag on him and commit to paying him top 5 money.

Did he live up to his top 10 pick potential? Debatable!

Is he an NFL top ten FS? I definitely think so.

Is Knight a top 20 SS anymore? Hardly!

The debate ought to be Knight vs Mitchell and Jones vs Bellamy.

A win-win for our Saints!

BillyCarpenter1 · 07-17-2003, 07:47 PM

Tweeky,

Sometimes you sound like a fu%%ing genius. Good Post.

Other times you make me feel like a genius...

tweeky · 07-17-2003, 07:57 PM

Tweeky,

Sometimes you sound like a fu%%ing genius. Good Post.

Other times you make me feel like a genius...

Thanks very much... in a non-gay kinda way!

BillyCarpenter1 · 07-17-2003, 08:01 PM

Tweeky,

Sometimes you sound like a fu%%ing genius. Good Post.

Other times you make me feel like a genius...

Thanks very much... in a non-gay kinda way!

I\'m starting to walk around with my butt cheeks pinched together.

Better turn my Gaydar( no jab towards you Gator) on.

BlackandBlue · 07-17-2003, 11:03 PM

Get a hotel room

[Edited on 18/7/2003 by BlackandBlue]

coastalkid · 07-18-2003, 08:35 AM

The majority of Sammy\'s int\'s were from tipped balls. He didn\'t just blanket a receiver and step in front of him to pick off a pass. He usually was the recepient of a over thrown ball or a tipped ball. He did make a many of hard hits though causing turnovers. But he is slow and has no \"catch up\" speed. Tebuckey will be an improvement if in no other area than in speed.

BlackandBlue · 07-18-2003, 08:46 AM

Just thought about something. How did this article end up comparing Knight and Jones? Technically, Mitchell took Sammy\'s spot. Jones plays free safety, Knight plays strong safety, two different positions. This thread started out about Jones, so let\'s compare him to Bellamy.

nevermind, no real comparison

07-17-2003, 02:01 PM	#11
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	Haz on Tebucky.......... Who considered him a ball hawk? \"Knight has been a part of so many turnovers in his career ? 32 with one game left on the schedule ? it can no longer be explained as good fortune. Some of his teammates call him a ball hawk, and others say Knight is a playmaker. Either way, he?s a football magnet.\" (neworleanssaints.com) \"Safety Sammy Knight is an opportunistic ball hawk.\" (CBFans Forum - Chicago Bears) \"Hard-hitting ball hawk ...\" (from his nfl.com bio) And most importantly I said so. Bu Bu But............ Here\'s the deal: Sammy Knight was a very good player who reached the heighth of his inability. He does not have the speed to make up for blown coverage and because of that it led to a lot of completions that shouldn\'t happen with Tebucky back there. But don\'t take my word for it, just look at on the field next year and notice that Sammy Knight isn\'t back there.
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07-17-2003, 02:14 PM	#12
nocloning 100th Post Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 302	Haz on Tebucky.......... In a way I agree with you. His recognition skills didn\'t do him much good last year because even if he knew where the ball was going to end up, he was either to slow to get there or had been gambling that the offense would run a running play. If safeties feel they have to help out on running plays and even gamble a little they will look bad. It probably was a combination of both (lack of speed and having to help out the soapy-handed LBs) that made him look so bad last year. It still remains true - at least in my eyes - that Jones isn\'t superior or equal in every aspect as you seem to imply (\"has all the qualities that S.K. has\"). Overall me may be a better player - or may fit the style of defense better - but Sammy had some qualities that Jones has not.
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07-17-2003, 03:06 PM	#13
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Haz on Tebucky.......... Bottom line is that we let a PRO BOWLER go b/c we didn\'t think he had the speed to deal with the track stars playing receiver and even QB now. Instead, we got a guy with all the physical skills who has been unable to live up to his potential yet. In other words, we got rid of an overachiever for a \"POTENTIAL\" star. I like the Jones move, don\'t get me wrong, but let\'s not start talking like we got rid of Billy Joe Hobert and replaced him with Joe Montana. Let\'s see what happens. I think our safeties will be much improved and one of the defense\'s strong points... but our secondary will be average with three aging corners and the inconsistent play that is likely to come from both Mitchell (as he matures) and Jones (b/c that\'s his MO).
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	\"Excuses, excuses, excuses. ThatÃ¢Â€Â™s all anyone ever makes for the New Orleans SaintsÃ¢Â€Â™ organization.\" - Eric Narcisse \"Being a Saints fan is almost like being addicted to crack,\" he said.[i]\"You know you should stop, but you just can\'t.\"

07-17-2003, 07:44 PM	#14
tweeky 500th Post Join Date: May 2003 Location: South Alabama Posts: 779	Haz on Tebucky.......... Sammy Knight: Old School smash mouth, can\'t break a 5-sec 40, wasn\'t resigned. Miami got him for next to nothing. If Sammy still had speed, he\'d have been gone quick and for top dollar. Tebucky Jones: (actually palys a different position than Knoght) LB size, CB speed, elite player. The Pats didn\'t franchise this guy because they were disappointed in him. If they thought he was a bust they damn sure wouldn\'t have put the franchise tag on him and commit to paying him top 5 money. Did he live up to his top 10 pick potential? Debatable! Is he an NFL top ten FS? I definitely think so. Is Knight a top 20 SS anymore? Hardly! The debate ought to be Knight vs Mitchell and Jones vs Bellamy. A win-win for our Saints!
	Whether we agree or disagree; its all for Him.

07-17-2003, 07:47 PM	#15
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	Haz on Tebucky.......... Tweeky, Sometimes you sound like a fu%%ing genius. Good Post. Other times you make me feel like a genius...
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07-17-2003, 07:57 PM	#16
tweeky 500th Post Join Date: May 2003 Location: South Alabama Posts: 779	Haz on Tebucky.......... Tweeky, Sometimes you sound like a fu%%ing genius. Good Post. Other times you make me feel like a genius... Thanks very much... in a non-gay kinda way!

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BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	Haz on Tebucky.......... Tweeky, Sometimes you sound like a fu%%ing genius. Good Post. Other times you make me feel like a genius... Thanks very much... in a non-gay kinda way! I\'m starting to walk around with my butt cheeks pinched together. Better turn my Gaydar( no jab towards you Gator) on.
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07-17-2003, 11:03 PM	#18
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	Haz on Tebucky.......... Get a hotel room [Edited on 18/7/2003 by BlackandBlue]

07-18-2003, 08:35 AM	#19
coastalkid 100th Post Join Date: May 2003 Location: Spain Posts: 287	Haz on Tebucky.......... The majority of Sammy\'s int\'s were from tipped balls. He didn\'t just blanket a receiver and step in front of him to pick off a pass. He usually was the recepient of a over thrown ball or a tipped ball. He did make a many of hard hits though causing turnovers. But he is slow and has no \"catch up\" speed. Tebuckey will be an improvement if in no other area than in speed.

07-18-2003, 08:46 AM	#20
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	Haz on Tebucky.......... Just thought about something. How did this article end up comparing Knight and Jones? Technically, Mitchell took Sammy\'s spot. Jones plays free safety, Knight plays strong safety, two different positions. This thread started out about Jones, so let\'s compare him to Bellamy. nevermind, no real comparison