Aaron Brooks is being treated unfair...
 

by the coaches, fans, and sportswriters. The only concern should be about the health of his shoulder. Not his leadership skills and blah blah.

I say he's being treated unfair by the coaches because they are sending him to these leadership seminars. Was good is that going to do? Aaron is not the type of guy to get in someone's face and yell (like Rich Gannon). You have leaders like Michael Jordan who will get in your face. And then you have leaders like Tim Duncan who lead by example. I see Aaron being like Tim Duncan. Forget the talking and lead by example and do your job so your team could win. I recall Aaron putting his arm around Stallworth during the first game against Carolina and telling him "don't worry about the dropped balls. I am coming back to you" and what happens.... Stallworth catches the winning touchdown pass. That's leadership at it's finest.

And the fans are even worse. How are you going to boo your starting quarterback who was at the time leading the NFC in touchdown passes and should of been voted to the pro-bowl? Aaron Brooks did improve from the 2001 season. His TD's increased and his Int's decreased. Some of the Saints fans are idiots. One game away from a shot at winning the Super Bowl and you boo your starting quarterback? Baffles me!

And I say sportwriters are wrong too. Whoever wrote the article about Aaron watch out is flat out wrong. Why should he watch out? It seems to me that most of the blame for last season collapse is being blamed on Aaron Brooks when it should be blamed on Haslett. This team could not finish an opponent because the defense kept letting teams back in the game. Aaron and the offense bailed the team out plenty of times only to find themselves back in a hole because the defense (which is supposed to win you games) always gave it up. Just look at how Aaron Brooks out performed quarterbacks like Favre, Garcia, McNabb, Vick, and Gannon when all of those quarterbacks faced the number one defense (Tampa Bay). Aaron threw 4 touchdown passes and only one pick against the number one defense. Favere threw three picks in a loss, Vick was picked off, Garcia threw three picks, McNabb threw a crucial interception that sent Tampa to the Super Bowl and Gannon (yes the MVP) threw 5 Int's and three were returned for touchdowns. Do we here any of their fans booing? Do we hear any of their sportwriters saying watch for the second string? Aaron Brooks gets no respect!

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There is so much to say about this, that my brain is misfiring synapses in all different directions. Whodat\'s brain may have fallen out, but my has just been cooked. Well done, anyone?

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The dude has some valed points that I never thought of. NO?

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It\'s not his post that worries me. It\'s the potential of this thread to fall into the downward spiral that the other 30 threads have.
Off topic, using Duncan as a comparison is poor. Leadership in basketball is not the same as leadership in football. Give me the name of one Spur player that would cross Duncan or what Duncan wanted- name one. That\'s all I ask. Every team has a leader in basketball, that one person that everyone refer\'s to as \"his team\". The Nets are Kidd\'s team, the Lakers is Shaq\'s team (despite what Kobe thinks), and the Timberwolves are Garnett\'s team. Now, Duncan may not lead \"his team\" like Garnett or Shaq, but he doesn\'t exactly bust out with a smile while the other team steals the ball from him either.
Brooks or Deuce, has to be the leader on this offense, and we definately need someone to step up as the leader on defense (come on Howard, it\'s your time, baby). Brooks can be the quiet leader, that\'s fine with me. But show a little respect to the game, and keep the smiles, regardless of whether you win or lose, in the locker room until after you\'ve won the Super Bowl.

[Edited on 16/7/2003 by BlackandBlue]

[Edited on 16/7/2003 by BlackandBlue]

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LMAO...That\'s funny.

Oh, and you mispelled a word on that post.... :mad:

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I guess I\'m kinda in the middle on this one about Brooks. No I wasn\'t at all happy when I saw him smiling after interceptions. Then again, I\'m glad he didn\'t get so upset about it that he went out there and played even worse. Normally when players get down on themselves or get mad, they tend to perform worse than they did on their first mistake, because they are trying so hard to right the ship. They tend to lose focus and their perception becomes hazy. At least with his smiles he seems to still be loose. I think Aaron knows that he has the potential to come back and lead two or three straight scoring drives to amend for his mistake(s), and that is why he takes the interceptions so lightly. It drives me up the wall, though. It\'s almost as if he\'s having a good time with those interceptions. To a fan, it seems like he\'s being cocky, which he is. Cocky in the fact that he knows he can get the job done, but just made a mistake. If he can get mad at himself and stay focused, then I\'m all for it. If he can\'t control that anger and makes more mistakes than he should, I\'ll be perfectly happy with seeing him smile a bit.

Aaron Brooks is being treated unfair...
 

Ditup2,

Amen.

The last thing I want is a Kyle Turley at QB.

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Where? I don\'t know what you are talking about ;)

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no, no, no, no, no!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i don\'t wanna beat this dead duck no more dude......................................................................................
throw the fu#king stats out the window, ok????????????????????????????????????
when the fu#k were we ever one game away from the super bowl?????????????????
did someone have tickets for the team?????????????????????????????????????????
this is the nfl!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
name one qb that has never been booed in his career!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SHOW ME THE SUPERBOWL AB AND ALL IS FORGIVEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
smitty

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Aaron Brooks is being treated unfair...
 

I don\'t see what the big deal is about when he smiles after getting picked off. Brett smiles all the time after getting picked off. Brett pats the defensive lineman\'s helmet after getting picked. The fact is he threw an interception. If he smiles or don\'t what\'s the big deal? He\'s probably smiling because he knew he made a mistake that he shouldn\'t have made. I don\'t see what the big deal is when Aaron smiles.

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Correct me if I\'m wrong, but doesn\'t Brett have a Super Bowl ring on his finger?

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You are correct sir!!! He also has one for the following year that they lost to the Broncos, but I doubt he wears that one as much.

You are a gentleman and a scholar. It\'s harder to read on my home computer because I have the resolution set so high, but THAT IS NO EXCUSE FOR POOR ENGRISH!!! I SHOULD BE ASHAMED!!!

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When discussing Brooks there are two things:

1.) Facts.
2.) Opinions.

Fact #1-- Threw for 27 TD\'s and only 15 Int\'s.
Fact #2--Threw for 3,572 yards.
Fact #3-- Was hurt for the last 3-games.
Fact #4-- Has only started 2 full years.
Fact #5-- Is not unusual for young QB\'s to struggle.
Fact #6-- Played with a lot of new starters on offense last year.

Opinion:
#1. Is not a leader.
#2. Not a team player.
#3. Lacks team attitude.
#4. Should have taken himself out of game.
#5. Smiling when something bad happens means he doesn\'t care.

Aaron Brooks is a very young Quarterback, who is still trying to find \"his\" game. He was thrown into action unexpectantly his first year and tried too much to prove he was a pocket passer last year.

He knows what is expected from him this year and knows he needs to do whatever it takes for the team to win.

The defense on the other hand was terrible last year and that\'s a fact also.

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Sorry ssmitty. I have to put in my two cents about AB too, regardless of this deadhorse.

Welcome, TonyMax. As you can see, we\'ve discussed this many times before. Great post. I\'m one of the few that agree with you about the way Aaron Brooks handles his mistakes. And the fact that Farve won a superbowl has nothing to do with this. If that were the case, you\'d have to say that since Brett Farve won the superbowl and enjoys waffles, Aaron Brooks can\'t enjoy waffles. It\'s just the way some qb\'s handle their mistakes. Some qb\'s would let it bring them down and lose their head and therefore never get back in the game.

I\'m with you on the respect issue. This is a very good quarterback and I am happy to have him start for the Saints. And to have Bouman in reserve is just an added bonus. I can\'t wait to see what Brooks does this season. I\'m confident that he\'ll be in the upper elite of quaterbacks this season.

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You HAVE got to be kidding me?!?! Has billy met his limit on posts and now operating under an assumed name.

What the heck would you consider fair for his treatment? Should we all be kneeling and praising him? Give me a freakin break. AB is the starting QB on a freakin NFL football team and you want to coddle the guy like the kids in pee wee.

One win from a superbowl? Obviously over-exaggeration is problem for you.

There is only one stat that matters to a true leader and winner and it is not an individual stat. Smiling after a mistake is a problem. What if the rest of the team decided to start smiling after their goofs? Was boo smiling after he dropped the touchdown against carolina? would it have been ok if he was smiling? Was AB smiling after boo dropped that pass? Why not? Getting what I am saying?

Its interesting to look at the QB\'s you compared AB against. All but garcia were in the playoffs. How do their stats compare against Carolina, minn, cinn, atl, det,????

Finally, don\'t go around blaming the defense for poor performance at QB. You can blame the coaches or AB and that is as far as that goes. The defense was not the problem down the stretch last year ... it was an offense that went into hibernation.

AB is being treated just as he should be. He is being held to play better than he has played in the past. OK is not good enough in the NFL.

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[quote:47dff28414]You HAVE got to be kidding me?!?! Has billy met his limit on posts and now operating under an assumed name.
What the heck would you consider fair for his treatment? Should we all be kneeling and praising him? Give me a freakin break. AB is the starting QB on a freakin NFL football team and you want to coddle the guy like the kids in pee wee. [quote:47dff28414]

No operating under assumed name here and beleive it or not there are many experts that say the disappointing ending of last year was not Aaron\'s fault.

[quote:47dff28414]
There is only one stat that matters to a true leader and winner and it is not an individual stat. Smiling after a mistake is a problem. What if the rest of the team decided to start smiling after their goofs? Was boo smiling after he dropped the touchdown against carolina? would it have been ok if he was smiling? Was AB smiling after boo dropped that pass? Why not? Getting what I\'m saying [quote:47dff28414]

Ever see Muhamad Ali smile after he was hit? I did!! He seemed to do OK with the smiling thing. Ya think?

[quote:47dff28414]
Finally, don\'t go around blaming the defense for poor performance at QB. You can blame the coaches or AB and that is as far as that goes. The defense was not the problem down the stretch last year ... it was an offense that went into hibernation. [quote:47dff28414]

Obviously you need to tell Haslett how good the defense was last year because he got rid of most of them. How do you explain that? Do you have a TV or do you listen to the games on the radio?

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Holy mackerel.....

Anyone got some tissue? Aaron has only himself to blame, be it good or bad press. The sooner he comes to that realization, the better he will become.

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BucNup,


What would Aaron look like in a Tampa uniform??? Keep dreaming!!!

Aaron Brooks is being treated unfair...
 

Too easy....

A WORLD CHAMPION....

Until then, YOU keep dreaming.

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Oh, I forgot. Your still living in the past. I meant this year!!!

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Pssst, Billy, the Bucs won the Super Bowl....this year.

Now you Buc fans can go back to the tired gloating you always do.

[Edited on 17/7/2003 by BlackandBlue]

Aaron Brooks is being treated unfair...
 

What I meant is if Aaron went to the Bucs right now that he wouldn\'t be a superbowl champ because he wasn\'t on the team last year.

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BOT:

Don\'t get me wrong here. I honestly like AB... But you\'ve got to take the bitter with the sweet in this world. Max\'s post, although heart felt was Super-Saints-Slanted and can simply be summed up in 2 words...

So what?

Again, I understand, but you\'ve got to win in the league. Winning removes all hints of doubts. Take us to the mountain top and I\'ll deal with the rest.....

Brooks has been riding his \"potential ball\" long enough. It\'s time to **** or get off the pot......

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It would have taken an On Side kick, in the unlikely event of them scoring, without that beautiful interception....

The score was 10 - 20 at the time.

And trust me, those damn Eagles fans belly ached when he threw it.... Getting heat when you are the QB is just the nature of the beast Max.



[Edited on 17/7/2003 by BucNup]

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How long did Brad Johnson ride his \"potential ball\" ?

I respect Johnson and all athletes that win the championship. But, he is not a franchise QB.

He is also not in the class of QB\'s that have been able to repeat, like:

Troy Aikman, Joe Montana, and John Elway. You name me one team that has repeated with a player like Johnson at QB???

Can ya do that for me? Can ya? Huh?

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First of all yes Garcia was in the playoffs last year. San Francisco faced Tampa Bay in Tampa Bay and Garcia got picked off three times. All of these top quarterbacks (Gannon, McNabb, Garcia, Vick, Favre) lost against the number one defense. Aaron and the Saints beat the Bucs twice. And why? Deuce\'s hard running between the tackles and Aaron\'s composure and leadership. How can you say Aaron was performing poorly when he tied for the NFC lead in TD passes? How can you say he was performing poorly when the Saints were one the league leaders in points scored in the red zone? How can you say he performed poorly when the Saints were probably the highest scoring offense before Aaron got hurt? We all know what happened in the Minnesota game. The offense did nothing wrong. And as far the the Cincinnati game.... when you give up more than 200 yards rushing to the worst team in the league what do you expect? Aaron was hurt and shouldn\'t have been in the game. That\'s Haslett\'s job to pull the quarterback if he\'s ineffective. Blame Haslett and the defense for the late season collapse not the QB!

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With a player like what??? All you have named are players that got the job done, who happen to be HOF material. I think you are missing the picture? Get the job done first; the HOF is an after the fact situation......

Aaron Brooks is being treated unfair...
 

He ranked 8th in the NFC in completion percentage and 12th in the NFC in fewest interceptions. Not that I care either way, I\'m undecided until the end of this coming season on AB. Just felt I needed to pull a Paul Harvey.

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With a player like what??? All you have named are players that got the job done, who happen to be HOF material. I think you are missing the picture? Get the job done first; the HOF is an after the fact situation...... [/quote:4587e3df13]


I\'m not missing the point. I\'m the one who\'s making the point.

Let\'s do this again.

I\'m saying that in the whole history of the NFL that the only teams to repeat had HOF Quarterbacks. Is this coniecidence? I think not.

Saying Brad Johnson has a realistic chance of being a HOF quarterback is like saying Trent Dilfer is only one superbowl win away from the steps of Canton himself.

There\'s a chance that the Bucs can change history but facts are facts and no one other than the great QB\'s have done it.

Brad Johnson is not one of them. I don\'t care if he plays in Gruden\'s system forever and a day. He ain\'t in that class.

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Follow me closely:

In 1971 the Cowboys went to the Super Bowl with Craig Morton as their QB. They lost to the Colts 16 - 13...

In 1972 the Cowboys went to the Super Bowl with Roger Staubach as their QB. They won against the Dolphins 24 - 3.

For this to be so early in Staubach\'s career, you can not tell me people were saying HOF status 1972? He didn\'t reach the Bowl again until 1978, so actually; REPEATING is a feat in itself. Something that those men you named have earned.....

But I have presented you with 2 different QB\'s, who led to teams to SB appearances. That in itself discredits your theory of needed to have an HOF QB to make it to the SB........

I think I\'ve presented my case?

The key is LEADERSHIP bro..... LEADERSHIP enhances one\'s chance at repeating. Regardless to anything else you have to say on this matter; Brad Johnson has displayed that leadership for at least one time in his career; until completion.

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I said he\'s being treated unfair because he\'s taking a lot of blame for the season ending collapse. Should he have been in those games against Cincinnati, Carolina? Probably not. But that\'s Haslett\'s job to pull the quarterback if he\'s ineffective. Wow the defense held Cincinnati to 20 points. But at the sametime giving up more than 200 yards rushing! And that equals time of possession for Cincinnati. Just chew up the clock to keep the ball away from the Saints\' offense. Haslett should be taking the blame. He failed to make the right adjustments to get his team into the playoffs.


Aaron broke team records last season for TD passes and yards I think, and he\'s still getting booed. I just don\'t get it. I think most of you Saints fans aren\'t used to seeing a talented quarterback. I\'ve lived in the San Francisco Bay all of my live. I\'ve seen Montana and Young play every Sunday when I used to be a Niner fan ( I am not a Niner fan any more because they keep letting all of my favorite players go like Rice, Lott, etc...). When the team lost and didn\'t make it to the Super Bowl the fans, media, and sportswriters never pointed the finger at Montana or Young like you guys are doing to Brooks.

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Help! Help! I\'m caught up in the BucNup \"Spin Cycle\"

Here\'s the Facts. None of which you have or can discredit!!!

Facts:
#1. The only teams to repeat as Superbowl champs had HOF QB\'s.
#2. After Aikman, Montana, and Elway had been in the leauge for 4-years they were considered elite NFL QB\'s.
3. All the teams that repeated did not have QB\'s that had been in the leauge for 10 years and were considered marginal at best.
4. Brad Johnson isn\'t in that class of QB\'s. Not now!! Not ever!!!

Get the picture?

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Oh no!!!!!!!!! Your going to take a lot of heat for this one.

Remember we are Saints fans. We have lived through the worst of times and had our favorite players traded too, but we bleed Black and Gold!!

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I never said BJ was in any class. All I know is that he led us to a title. That\'s all I know.... Up until 2001 I didn\'t give a rats azz about Brad Johnson, I didn\'t have a need to. But in 2 years he has thrown 35 TD\'s and 17 INT\'s in a disfunctional offense.....

While on the other hand; Brooks has all of the horses in the stable. He\'s putting up great numbers, but falling short. Where? Where? Where?

The key is LEADERSHIP bro..... LEADERSHIP.............

Broken record........

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But I.... What.... Well.... How can.... Nevermind........

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Ever thought about being a poitcian? You can avoid the really tough questions.

Brad Johnson played a part in the championship, but the defense deserves most of the credit. Along with a little luck.

Aaron Brooks threw 27 TD\'s and 15 INT\'s in one year. He has only started 2-full years. What kind of numbers and leadership did Johnson have his first 2-years or 8 years as far as that goes.

Buc, you will get to see that leadership twice this year. It\'s getting close and my anticipation is almost more than my heart can bear.

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But isn\'t this the case for everything? You are the one talking about needing a HOF\'er to repeat.....

Just be sure we aren\'t on the same ballot, as far as your politicians goes.....

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Well, I stand the fact, that facts are facts, and that\'s a fact.

The other thing that all repeat champs had was a running game. Which the Bucs is highly suspect. There is just so much that points to the Bucs not repeating this year:

1. Off the field problems.
2. No running game.
3. No elite QB. (no team in history has ever repeated w/o one.)
4. Playing in toughest division in NFL.
5. Poor overall team speed.

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Would you please stop..... ?

Your anti-Buccaneers sentiments have been noted. I\'ll take my chance with that outstanding defense that we have..... Something that you have not eluded to yet....

But it was coming right?

I\'m sure you\'ve heard that stale old cliche...... Defense wins championship.......

It just doesn\'t seem to get out dated.

Did you say something about facts?

[Edited on 17/7/2003 by BucNup]