meachem

Euphoria · 08-19-2007, 08:19 PM

Nothing??? bust??? He got a great TD pass... show flashes of brillance. WR takes on average 3-4 years to develop, its one of the hardes positions to master. Far from a bust just yet.

ScottF · 08-19-2007, 08:30 PM

By your definition Henderson is also a bust,
as was Deuce- 91 yards his rookie year

Ryan Leaf was a bust, Sullivan a bust, but they were given 2-3 years to prove it.

What do we need from Meachem this year? Pretty much nothing. Great teams draft players that help the team down the road.

WhoDat205 · 08-19-2007, 08:41 PM

Honestly, how much of a bust can a #27 pick be? You can't say that comming out of college, Meachem was not 1st-round material.

...and what they said about it being preseason and all that.

I think this draft-class is a good one. I think Meach can develop into a good #2 or #3 reciver in the NFL, Young will be a starting CB sooner than later, Allman has starter's talent. Palko could even develope.

BlueDevil1978 · 08-19-2007, 10:25 PM

If you go back to Devery's rookie year, I don't think he was in camp by week #2 (not counting the HOF week because the Saints didn't start camp early), or, if his hold-out was over by then, he certainly was not dressed out. Meacham already has a TD catch.

If you like Devery being on the roster, I predict that you'll like this guy, too - he's still adjusting to the NFL and needs time to develop.

Bust? The Saints have a long history of BUSTS (reference: Shawn Knight, Jonathan Sullivan, Alvin Toles, Russell Erxleben, Vaughn Dunbar) and it's way too early to put the "BUST" label on him.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 08-20-2007, 06:02 AM

Originally Posted by WVSaint

I think some of us need to realize that the 2006 draft was special and we got extremely lucky that year. What that rookie class did for us was amazing and we can't expect finds like that every year. Rookies take time to develop and Meachem is no different. Give the guy some time before you label him as a bust, first rounder or not, it takes time and because of his injury and missed practices he's a little behind.

Good advice. Also consider the fact that Meachem wasn't a need pick. While the media keeps talking about the guy being Joe Horn's replacement, the fact of the matter is that short of being Calvin Johnson, he would have been at best the #3 receiver on this team. Henderson is finally coming into his own and will be the #2 receiver on this team. Like it or not, Reggie Bush is in fact the #3 receiver on this team. Everyone else including Patton, Moore, Copper, and Meachem, will be fighting for PT at the receiver position.

A good problem to have. Give the kid a year to develop his talent and then we'll figure out if he's in fact talented enough to displace any of the Saints' quality starting receivers.

SFIAH

ScottyRo · 08-20-2007, 08:54 AM

I wouldn't say bust at this point, but he has certainly disappointed. I would expect a 1st round WR to come in and be competitive for a 3rd or even a 4th spot. Right now it looks like he'll be 6th and that's only because his draft position earned him a spot on the team.

saintsrule · 08-20-2007, 01:53 AM

Meachem is going to be good, he is still a rookie. He is learning the game. He does not have to be the starter this year, they have Henderson, Copper, Moore, and Patten on the team, and Meachem will start next year.

WhoDatQB · 08-20-2007, 09:33 AM

Originally Posted by rbush25

i dont want to be negative but i see absoutlely nothing out of meachem ..can yall say bust?!?!?

How many people people thought that Henderson was a bust before last year? Stallworth? Granted neither has shown greatness, but both are showing to be well above average. Stallworth's hammy and questionable hands are keeping him from being great. Meachem will get his head screwed on straight by payton and company. He has more physical gifts(size,speed,quickness) than any of our other WR's and has pretty good hands too from what I have seen. He had knee surgery and his problems so far that I have seen have been in cutting and route running. This are the most over looked talents for a WR to posses in the NFL, and having had the knee problem he will not be able to learn as fast with a little hesitation to really cut on that knee. Once payton gets that out of him and his talents traslated into drive to become very good or great Meachem will be fine.

JKool · 08-20-2007, 10:41 AM

I think Henderson is a good way to think about the Meachem "problem." It is very standard for WRs in particular to have a long development period (usually in the 3 to 4 year range) by conventional wisdom anyway. Obviously, there are some gifted players (or ones on teams where the starters... ahem... suck) that get rolling early; however, for the most WRs don't come into their own for several years - pretty much the opposite of RBs.

That said, drafting a player with a history of injury problems does lead one to start thinking "bust", I'd have to say. I was pleased to see that Meachem got himself ready to play in pre-season, since there was a time it wasn't clear when he'd be able to get started. He's got some tools, so let's see what he can do before we write him off.

Papa Voodoo · 08-20-2007, 01:15 PM

Originally Posted by rbush25

i dont want to be negative but i see absoutlely nothing out of meachem ..can yall say bust?!?!?

Looks like he's more of a Devery Henderson type receiver. He'll come along over the next couple of seasons. However, Lance Moore is a beast. He reminds me of Pathon. I can see Moore and Colston as the top 2 WR's for us with Devery and Copper flying all over the place. We have found another gem this year as well

08-19-2007, 08:19 PM	#1
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: meachem Nothing??? bust??? He got a great TD pass... show flashes of brillance. WR takes on average 3-4 years to develop, its one of the hardes positions to master. Far from a bust just yet.

08-19-2007, 10:25 PM	#4
BlueDevil1978 Linebacker Forever Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Picayune, MS Posts: 130	Re: meachem If you go back to Devery's rookie year, I don't think he was in camp by week #2 (not counting the HOF week because the Saints didn't start camp early), or, if his hold-out was over by then, he certainly was not dressed out. Meacham already has a TD catch. If you like Devery being on the roster, I predict that you'll like this guy, too - he's still adjusting to the NFL and needs time to develop. Bust? The Saints have a long history of BUSTS (reference: Shawn Knight, Jonathan Sullivan, Alvin Toles, Russell Erxleben, Vaughn Dunbar) and it's way too early to put the "BUST" label on him.
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08-20-2007, 06:02 AM	#5
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,789	Re: meachem Originally Posted by WVSaint I think some of us need to realize that the 2006 draft was special and we got extremely lucky that year. What that rookie class did for us was amazing and we can't expect finds like that every year. Rookies take time to develop and Meachem is no different. Give the guy some time before you label him as a bust, first rounder or not, it takes time and because of his injury and missed practices he's a little behind. Good advice. Also consider the fact that Meachem wasn't a need pick. While the media keeps talking about the guy being Joe Horn's replacement, the fact of the matter is that short of being Calvin Johnson, he would have been at best the #3 receiver on this team. Henderson is finally coming into his own and will be the #2 receiver on this team. Like it or not, Reggie Bush is in fact the #3 receiver on this team. Everyone else including Patton, Moore, Copper, and Meachem, will be fighting for PT at the receiver position. A good problem to have. Give the kid a year to develop his talent and then we'll figure out if he's in fact talented enough to displace any of the Saints' quality starting receivers. SFIAH
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08-20-2007, 08:54 AM	#6
ScottyRo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Williamsburg, VA (ugh, the food here) Posts: 1,704	Re: meachem I wouldn't say bust at this point, but he has certainly disappointed. I would expect a 1st round WR to come in and be competitive for a 3rd or even a 4th spot. Right now it looks like he'll be 6th and that's only because his draft position earned him a spot on the team.

08-20-2007, 01:53 AM	#7
saintsrule 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 657	Re: meachem Meachem is going to be good, he is still a rookie. He is learning the game. He does not have to be the starter this year, they have Henderson, Copper, Moore, and Patten on the team, and Meachem will start next year.
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08-19-2007, 08:30 PM	#2
ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Re: meachem By your definition Henderson is also a bust, as was Deuce- 91 yards his rookie year Ryan Leaf was a bust, Sullivan a bust, but they were given 2-3 years to prove it. What do we need from Meachem this year? Pretty much nothing. Great teams draft players that help the team down the road.

08-19-2007, 08:41 PM	#3
WhoDat205 Prediction Pain Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 1,082 Blog Entries: 2	Re: meachem Honestly, how much of a bust can a #27 pick be? You can't say that comming out of college, Meachem was not 1st-round material. ...and what they said about it being preseason and all that. I think this draft-class is a good one. I think Meach can develop into a good #2 or #3 reciver in the NFL, Young will be a starting CB sooner than later, Allman has starter's talent. Palko could even develope.

08-20-2007, 09:33 AM	#8
WhoDatQB Boondock Saint Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: F***ing Atlanta Posts: 322	Re: meachem Originally Posted by rbush25 i dont want to be negative but i see absoutlely nothing out of meachem ..can yall say bust?!?!? How many people people thought that Henderson was a bust before last year? Stallworth? Granted neither has shown greatness, but both are showing to be well above average. Stallworth's hammy and questionable hands are keeping him from being great. Meachem will get his head screwed on straight by payton and company. He has more physical gifts(size,speed,quickness) than any of our other WR's and has pretty good hands too from what I have seen. He had knee surgery and his problems so far that I have seen have been in cutting and route running. This are the most over looked talents for a WR to posses in the NFL, and having had the knee problem he will not be able to learn as fast with a little hesitation to really cut on that knee. Once payton gets that out of him and his talents traslated into drive to become very good or great Meachem will be fine.

08-20-2007, 10:41 AM	#9
JKool 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 2,423	Re: meachem I think Henderson is a good way to think about the Meachem "problem." It is very standard for WRs in particular to have a long development period (usually in the 3 to 4 year range) by conventional wisdom anyway. Obviously, there are some gifted players (or ones on teams where the starters... ahem... suck) that get rolling early; however, for the most WRs don't come into their own for several years - pretty much the opposite of RBs. That said, drafting a player with a history of injury problems does lead one to start thinking "bust", I'd have to say. I was pleased to see that Meachem got himself ready to play in pre-season, since there was a time it wasn't clear when he'd be able to get started. He's got some tools, so let's see what he can do before we write him off.
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08-20-2007, 01:15 PM	#10
Papa Voodoo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,634	Re: meachem Originally Posted by rbush25 i dont want to be negative but i see absoutlely nothing out of meachem ..can yall say bust?!?!? Looks like he's more of a Devery Henderson type receiver. He'll come along over the next couple of seasons. However, Lance Moore is a beast. He reminds me of Pathon. I can see Moore and Colston as the top 2 WR's for us with Devery and Copper flying all over the place. We have found another gem this year as well