Does Vick deserve shot at redemption?

cadilacin · 08-24-2007, 12:47 AM

Everybody wants to make this into a black and white thing so bad that it has become a black and white thang! But N E Way...

"If" Vick electrocuted dogs...he should be punished (don't know if he did).

"If" Vick Body Slammed dogs...he should be punished (don't know if he did).

Vick participated and gambled on dog fighting...he should and will be punished. And he also should have a chance at redemption.

I have a Jack Russel Terrier named Ali who I love dearly so, Im not into dog fighting. But I don't think it's worst than men who hunt deer. Men who hide in the woods, and shoot deer while they're drinking from a pond...now they as well "should be punished". Thats sick to me too. But thats legal...(I wonder why). It amazes me how we like to try and make one thing seem so much more worse than a simular thing, when they are equally as inhumane. If a man trains his Pit Bull to fight and want to fight against another man's Pit Bull...thats they decision. At least it's a fair fight (unlike the man who shoots the un-armed deer from 20 feet, with a shotgun). It's not my thang, it's a very violent thang, I wouldn't let my dog do that thang...but thats they decision. And that decision to commit that illegal act landed him facing a prison term. But I don't think that "act" is as cruel as some other thangs that society accepts...so YES...He deserves a chance at redemption.

Cause if hunting is a "sport", maybe we should shrug out shoulders and say..."It's just dog fighting"...

Plus. I love when the saints play the falcons with vick in the lineup. makes for some good football.

who dat!!!!!

DeadmaN · 08-24-2007, 10:52 AM

Originally Posted by cadilacin

But I don't think it's worst than men who hunt deer. Men who hide in the woods, and shoot deer while they're drinking from a pond

Cause if hunting is a "sport", maybe we should shrug out shoulders and say..."It's just dog fighting"...

who dat!!!!!

Come on

Now you are trying to confuse the issues

You are trying to describe the 2 things as if they are one in the same, when in fact one has nothing to do with the other outside of the end result.

Meaning; that the only thing that both of the subjects have in common is that in the end ,an animal is dead and that is the only similarity between the 2.

I’ll try to explain...
It’s like 2 Bata fish in the wild yes they do fight but one has the chance to retreat because the environment offers them the ability to do so. Such is nature’s way. What this means is that although they will have encounters with other fish and fights, they are never to the death and hardly ever result in injury but if you put 2 of them in a bole with no way out then yes one of them will dye.

It’s the same thing with these dogs. In normal situations the initial confrontation between them is simply a threat or a display of aggression.
Why do animals do this?
Well it is widely believed that this is to show to the opposing animal that I am bigger, and I am stronger so the fight never even happens.

Then from time to time you have 2 animals that are both equally large and equally strong, and normally yes a fight does ensue but the fight only last until one animal has shown himself to be the more dominate and the other animal retreats.

In dog fighting there is no place to retreat too and they are being enticed to fight.
In the wild the 2 animals would never find themselves in a pit with no place to escape too.

I’m sorry but your take on hunting and fighting animals is wayyyyyyyy of base

fhotard · 08-24-2007, 08:06 PM

Originally Posted by cadilacin

But I don't think it's worst than men who hunt deer. Men who hide in the woods, and shoot deer while they're drinking from a pond...now they as well "should be punished". Thats sick to me too. But thats legal...(I wonder why). It amazes me how we like to try and make one thing seem so much more worse than a simular thing, when they are equally as inhumane.

I don't think Mike ate the dogs after he killed them... hunters typically eat what they kill.

Unless you're a vegetarian (ancient indian word for "bad hunter") what's wrong with hunting?

You go to the store and buy a piece of a cow, pig, or chicken that was farm raised, then killed in a way that was no more, or less, humane than how a deer is killed in the field.

Having animals fight to the death for entertainment indicates a sociopathic mentality.

edit: oops, forgot to answer the original question...
Yes, after he serves his punishment, whatever the courts decide, he should be allowed to play again. If any team will have him.

faithful40 · 08-24-2007, 09:50 PM

I just dont get it..Redemption? He should be banned for life..Playing in the NFL is an HONOR for select few. He had his moment and simply thought he was above the league and society. This has nothing to do with race, or gender..Let me explain something that some of you fail to realize..CODE OF CONDUCT.
I work in the oil industry for an international company which is well known. My actions when Im off of work..still reflect my actions as if im representing my company!
I tell my kids this..Everything that dad does is a reflection of my two sons. I tell them everything they do in their actions, words of hate or kindness is a direct reflection of me!
You lead by example..That is why we have some people in our society called law abided citizens and those who go to jail or simply stay in jail.
WE ALL HAVE CHOICES and DECISIONS IN LIFE..The difference is the choices we make are the result of those decisions we choose to make.
I earn about 75k a year. I am fortunate enough to not have a college degree and earn that type of living. I treat my current situation with respect and honor.
I would live like a saint if I knew I was making 130 million and I was in the public eye representing a hugh corporation which is paying my salary, Not to mention the other contract of obligations and considered by young kids as a role model. VICK DESERVES EVERYTHING HES GETTTING> He simply didnt account for the result of his decisions when The choice was made to conduct himself or involve himself in some cruel spectacle to which he thinks is a sport! So please, dont try and butter the seriousness of his actions! The sad part is..He let down all the people who thought highly of him as a role model and sports figure to be entertained with forcing dogs to fight till their death.

08-24-2007, 12:47 AM	#1
cadilacin "Real Talk" Join Date: May 2007 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 148	Re: Does Vick deserve shot at redemption? Everybody wants to make this into a black and white thing so bad that it has become a black and white thang! But N E Way... "If" Vick electrocuted dogs...he should be punished (don't know if he did). "If" Vick Body Slammed dogs...he should be punished (don't know if he did). Vick participated and gambled on dog fighting...he should and will be punished. And he also should have a chance at redemption. I have a Jack Russel Terrier named Ali who I love dearly so, Im not into dog fighting. But I don't think it's worst than men who hunt deer. Men who hide in the woods, and shoot deer while they're drinking from a pond...now they as well "should be punished". Thats sick to me too. But thats legal...(I wonder why). It amazes me how we like to try and make one thing seem so much more worse than a simular thing, when they are equally as inhumane. If a man trains his Pit Bull to fight and want to fight against another man's Pit Bull...thats they decision. At least it's a fair fight (unlike the man who shoots the un-armed deer from 20 feet, with a shotgun). It's not my thang, it's a very violent thang, I wouldn't let my dog do that thang...but thats they decision. And that decision to commit that illegal act landed him facing a prison term. But I don't think that "act" is as cruel as some other thangs that society accepts...so YES...He deserves a chance at redemption. Cause if hunting is a "sport", maybe we should shrug out shoulders and say..."It's just dog fighting"... Plus. I love when the saints play the falcons with vick in the lineup. makes for some good football. who dat!!!!!
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08-24-2007, 10:52 AM	#2
DeadmaN Saints Junky Join Date: May 2007 Location: Metairie Originally now a Houston transplant Posts: 672	Re: Does Vick deserve shot at redemption? Originally Posted by cadilacin But I don't think it's worst than men who hunt deer. Men who hide in the woods, and shoot deer while they're drinking from a pond Cause if hunting is a "sport", maybe we should shrug out shoulders and say..."It's just dog fighting"... who dat!!!!! Come on Now you are trying to confuse the issues You are trying to describe the 2 things as if they are one in the same, when in fact one has nothing to do with the other outside of the end result. Meaning; that the only thing that both of the subjects have in common is that in the end ,an animal is dead and that is the only similarity between the 2. I’ll try to explain... It’s like 2 Bata fish in the wild yes they do fight but one has the chance to retreat because the environment offers them the ability to do so. Such is nature’s way. What this means is that although they will have encounters with other fish and fights, they are never to the death and hardly ever result in injury but if you put 2 of them in a bole with no way out then yes one of them will dye. It’s the same thing with these dogs. In normal situations the initial confrontation between them is simply a threat or a display of aggression. Why do animals do this? Well it is widely believed that this is to show to the opposing animal that I am bigger, and I am stronger so the fight never even happens. Then from time to time you have 2 animals that are both equally large and equally strong, and normally yes a fight does ensue but the fight only last until one animal has shown himself to be the more dominate and the other animal retreats. In dog fighting there is no place to retreat too and they are being enticed to fight. In the wild the 2 animals would never find themselves in a pit with no place to escape too. I’m sorry but your take on hunting and fighting animals is wayyyyyyyy of base
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08-24-2007, 08:06 PM	#3
fhotard 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Pensacola, FL Posts: 263	Re: Does Vick deserve shot at redemption? Originally Posted by cadilacin But I don't think it's worst than men who hunt deer. Men who hide in the woods, and shoot deer while they're drinking from a pond...now they as well "should be punished". Thats sick to me too. But thats legal...(I wonder why). It amazes me how we like to try and make one thing seem so much more worse than a simular thing, when they are equally as inhumane. I don't think Mike ate the dogs after he killed them... hunters typically eat what they kill. Unless you're a vegetarian (ancient indian word for "bad hunter") what's wrong with hunting? You go to the store and buy a piece of a cow, pig, or chicken that was farm raised, then killed in a way that was no more, or less, humane than how a deer is killed in the field. Having animals fight to the death for entertainment indicates a sociopathic mentality. edit: oops, forgot to answer the original question... Yes, after he serves his punishment, whatever the courts decide, he should be allowed to play again. If any team will have him.
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08-24-2007, 09:50 PM	#4
faithful40 Rookie Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1	Re: Does Vick deserve shot at redemption? I just dont get it..Redemption? He should be banned for life..Playing in the NFL is an HONOR for select few. He had his moment and simply thought he was above the league and society. This has nothing to do with race, or gender..Let me explain something that some of you fail to realize..CODE OF CONDUCT. I work in the oil industry for an international company which is well known. My actions when Im off of work..still reflect my actions as if im representing my company! I tell my kids this..Everything that dad does is a reflection of my two sons. I tell them everything they do in their actions, words of hate or kindness is a direct reflection of me! You lead by example..That is why we have some people in our society called law abided citizens and those who go to jail or simply stay in jail. WE ALL HAVE CHOICES and DECISIONS IN LIFE..The difference is the choices we make are the result of those decisions we choose to make. I earn about 75k a year. I am fortunate enough to not have a college degree and earn that type of living. I treat my current situation with respect and honor. I would live like a saint if I knew I was making 130 million and I was in the public eye representing a hugh corporation which is paying my salary, Not to mention the other contract of obligations and considered by young kids as a role model. VICK DESERVES EVERYTHING HES GETTTING> He simply didnt account for the result of his decisions when The choice was made to conduct himself or involve himself in some cruel spectacle to which he thinks is a sport! So please, dont try and butter the seriousness of his actions! The sad part is..He let down all the people who thought highly of him as a role model and sports figure to be entertained with forcing dogs to fight till their death.
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