Does Vick deserve shot at redemption?

DeadmaN · 08-23-2007, 04:29 PM

Does Vick deserve shot at redemption?

Personally I don't think so but the head of the Atlanta NAACP seams to think so…

FOX Sports on MSN - NFL - Vick deserves shot at redemption

I can understand where he is coming from but considering the fact that Vick knew what was at stake before he got involved with dog fighting.

My feelings on this matter stem from this…
They make all players sign a code of conduct waver before they can sign any NFL contract so he can’t use the excuse “Oh. Well I didn’t know” and not to mention outside of the code of conduct thing in my opinion there should have been a voice in his head that telling this idiot that there was something morally and ethically wrong with the he was doing.

I am now and always will be a believer that you can’t teach commonsense it’s something you either have or you don’t; and obviously Vick didn’t have it considering his many blatant disregards for society as a whole.

That aside I do agree that oneday Vick should be welcome back into community but that does not mean he should ever play pro ball again simply because children worship these guys and that should send they biggest message to America.

saintsfan1203 · 08-23-2007, 04:35 PM

I'm not going to debate this topic; i'm really sick and tired of people always critisizing VICK he is only 27. He made a mistake, DAMN don't we all. I have done tons of things believe me, but by the grace of GOD I have never, ever, been caught. Yes, he deserves another chance, Ray Lewis, Jamal Lewis, c'mon stop hating. How many people in the league cock fight? If they live in Louisiana it's legal or was for a while but if they went to virginia they azz would be in a sling.....

DeadmaN · 08-23-2007, 04:52 PM

So I guess Jeffery Domer should have been just sent to summer school
The man killed innocent animals for sport
I bet you would not like it too much if someone threw you in a pit with a bunch of dogs and let them tare you to shreds would you?
USE YOUR HEAD!!!!
lol
Oh and thanks for making my point for me with that statement
I'm glad you will never be a law maker in any world that I live in

Oh and by the way Ray Lewis and Jamal Lewis deserve to be in jail also, but because enough money was spent it was swept under the table

FireVenturi · 08-23-2007, 04:55 PM

He should face the consequences. Yes, everybody does make mistakes and if caught they should also face the consequences. Maybe if society didnt "let people slide so much" they wouldnt do so many bad things.

ScottyRo · 08-23-2007, 05:04 PM

I'm in favor of a suspension that occurs for 16 games following his release from jail or following sentencing (if there is no jail time). This would mean he would miss games while in jail and also miss 16 games after jail. That is a good amount of time to view whether he is going to straighten out his act or not.

Tobias-Reiper · 08-23-2007, 09:09 PM

.. wonder if the head of the NAACP thinks Don Imus deserves a shot at redemption?
Tell you what would go a very long way to improve racial relations in the US, Mr. head of the NAACP: when people like you stop defending scumbags like Vick just because the are black, or when you stop making stupid statements like "he'd be better off had he killed someone", remember Rae Carruth?.

"Redemption" is not the right word., especially when you are weaseling your way out of more serious federal crimes by admitting to lesser crimes.

And he has no "right" to go back to the NFL. He will have a hard time to go back after his time in jail, especially considering that the NFL is so image-conscious. Someone may give him the chance to come back, but I doubt it.

ScottyRo · 08-23-2007, 10:54 PM

I agree the statement by the NAACP and others that Vick wouldn't get this much attention if he had killed a person is just stupid.

This isn't the first stupid thing Mr. White has said. Earlier this month he made a speech about how Vick had not been convicted of a crime but how he has been treated is a crime. Arrest us all, I guess. He SHOULD have said that the way Vick has been treated SHOULD be a crime, but I guess that distinction escapes him.

I agree he doesn't have a right to come back, but I do believe that once he pays his debt to society and a punishment by the NFL, he should be allowed back if anyone will have him.

lynwood · 08-23-2007, 11:14 PM

Not Just that he Killed the Dogs but How he did it is a disgrace. He deserves to be treated the same way he trated the dogs. Let him fight his way to freedom. We have Human laws for a reason..and cock fighting should be busted too. Making animals fight to the death is stupid and uneccessary.

xan · 08-23-2007, 11:24 PM

Vick didn't make JUST a mistake. His actions were a consistent, well planned, thorough and knowingly illegal. He knew enough about how vilified he would become that he was systematic in his subterfuge of all around him. These crimes weren't accidents, or mistakes, but a long term avocation - what he'd be doing if he weren't in football. These crimes lay bare his true being. This kind of sociopathic behavior is only a small step from practicing his craft on humans.

How can one forgive someone who takes glee from torture and creative killing as a sport? How foolish are we to believe he "rehabilitates" himself?

No second chances on this one. Or for those who want to forgive him, he has to spend his rehab in your home, with your wives and children. Unsupervised.

cadilacin · 08-24-2007, 01:47 AM

Everybody wants to make this into a black and white thing so bad that it has become a black and white thang! But N E Way...

"If" Vick electrocuted dogs...he should be punished (don't know if he did).

"If" Vick Body Slammed dogs...he should be punished (don't know if he did).

Vick participated and gambled on dog fighting...he should and will be punished. And he also should have a chance at redemption.

I have a Jack Russel Terrier named Ali who I love dearly so, Im not into dog fighting. But I don't think it's worst than men who hunt deer. Men who hide in the woods, and shoot deer while they're drinking from a pond...now they as well "should be punished". Thats sick to me too. But thats legal...(I wonder why). It amazes me how we like to try and make one thing seem so much more worse than a simular thing, when they are equally as inhumane. If a man trains his Pit Bull to fight and want to fight against another man's Pit Bull...thats they decision. At least it's a fair fight (unlike the man who shoots the un-armed deer from 20 feet, with a shotgun). It's not my thang, it's a very violent thang, I wouldn't let my dog do that thang...but thats they decision. And that decision to commit that illegal act landed him facing a prison term. But I don't think that "act" is as cruel as some other thangs that society accepts...so YES...He deserves a chance at redemption.

Cause if hunting is a "sport", maybe we should shrug out shoulders and say..."It's just dog fighting"...

Plus. I love when the saints play the falcons with vick in the lineup. makes for some good football.

who dat!!!!!

08-23-2007, 04:29 PM	#1
DeadmaN Saints Junky Join Date: May 2007 Location: Metairie Originally now a Houston transplant Posts: 672	Does Vick deserve shot at redemption? Does Vick deserve shot at redemption? Personally I don't think so but the head of the Atlanta NAACP seams to think so… FOX Sports on MSN - NFL - Vick deserves shot at redemption I can understand where he is coming from but considering the fact that Vick knew what was at stake before he got involved with dog fighting. My feelings on this matter stem from this… They make all players sign a code of conduct waver before they can sign any NFL contract so he can’t use the excuse “Oh. Well I didn’t know” and not to mention outside of the code of conduct thing in my opinion there should have been a voice in his head that telling this idiot that there was something morally and ethically wrong with the he was doing. I am now and always will be a believer that you can’t teach commonsense it’s something you either have or you don’t; and obviously Vick didn’t have it considering his many blatant disregards for society as a whole. That aside I do agree that oneday Vick should be welcome back into community but that does not mean he should ever play pro ball again simply because children worship these guys and that should send they biggest message to America.
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08-23-2007, 04:35 PM	#2
saintsfan1203 Registered Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 66	Re: Does Vick deserve shot at redemption? I'm not going to debate this topic; i'm really sick and tired of people always critisizing VICK he is only 27. He made a mistake, DAMN don't we all. I have done tons of things believe me, but by the grace of GOD I have never, ever, been caught. Yes, he deserves another chance, Ray Lewis, Jamal Lewis, c'mon stop hating. How many people in the league cock fight? If they live in Louisiana it's legal or was for a while but if they went to virginia they azz would be in a sling.....
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08-23-2007, 04:52 PM	#3
DeadmaN Saints Junky Join Date: May 2007 Location: Metairie Originally now a Houston transplant Posts: 672	Re: Does Vick deserve shot at redemption? So I guess Jeffery Domer should have been just sent to summer school The man killed innocent animals for sport I bet you would not like it too much if someone threw you in a pit with a bunch of dogs and let them tare you to shreds would you? USE YOUR HEAD!!!! lol Oh and thanks for making my point for me with that statement I'm glad you will never be a law maker in any world that I live in Oh and by the way Ray Lewis and Jamal Lewis deserve to be in jail also, but because enough money was spent it was swept under the table
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08-23-2007, 04:55 PM	#4
FireVenturi Cold as Ice! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Da Big Easy Posts: 2,978	Re: Does Vick deserve shot at redemption? He should face the consequences. Yes, everybody does make mistakes and if caught they should also face the consequences. Maybe if society didnt "let people slide so much" they wouldnt do so many bad things.

08-23-2007, 05:04 PM	#5
ScottyRo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Williamsburg, VA (ugh, the food here) Posts: 1,704	Re: Does Vick deserve shot at redemption? I'm in favor of a suspension that occurs for 16 games following his release from jail or following sentencing (if there is no jail time). This would mean he would miss games while in jail and also miss 16 games after jail. That is a good amount of time to view whether he is going to straighten out his act or not.

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08-23-2007, 09:09 PM	#6
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: Does Vick deserve shot at redemption? .. wonder if the head of the NAACP thinks Don Imus deserves a shot at redemption? Tell you what would go a very long way to improve racial relations in the US, Mr. head of the NAACP: when people like you stop defending scumbags like Vick just because the are black, or when you stop making stupid statements like "he'd be better off had he killed someone", remember Rae Carruth?. "Redemption" is not the right word., especially when you are weaseling your way out of more serious federal crimes by admitting to lesser crimes. And he has no "right" to go back to the NFL. He will have a hard time to go back after his time in jail, especially considering that the NFL is so image-conscious. Someone may give him the chance to come back, but I doubt it.
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08-23-2007, 10:54 PM	#7
ScottyRo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Williamsburg, VA (ugh, the food here) Posts: 1,704	Re: Does Vick deserve shot at redemption? I agree the statement by the NAACP and others that Vick wouldn't get this much attention if he had killed a person is just stupid. This isn't the first stupid thing Mr. White has said. Earlier this month he made a speech about how Vick had not been convicted of a crime but how he has been treated is a crime. Arrest us all, I guess. He SHOULD have said that the way Vick has been treated SHOULD be a crime, but I guess that distinction escapes him. I agree he doesn't have a right to come back, but I do believe that once he pays his debt to society and a punishment by the NFL, he should be allowed back if anyone will have him.

08-23-2007, 11:14 PM	#8
lynwood 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Hockley, Tx Posts: 1,515	Re: Does Vick deserve shot at redemption? Not Just that he Killed the Dogs but How he did it is a disgrace. He deserves to be treated the same way he trated the dogs. Let him fight his way to freedom. We have Human laws for a reason..and cock fighting should be busted too. Making animals fight to the death is stupid and uneccessary.

08-23-2007, 11:24 PM	#9
xan Professor Crab and Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Princeton Posts: 3,369 Blog Entries: 34	Re: Does Vick deserve shot at redemption? Vick didn't make JUST a mistake. His actions were a consistent, well planned, thorough and knowingly illegal. He knew enough about how vilified he would become that he was systematic in his subterfuge of all around him. These crimes weren't accidents, or mistakes, but a long term avocation - what he'd be doing if he weren't in football. These crimes lay bare his true being. This kind of sociopathic behavior is only a small step from practicing his craft on humans. How can one forgive someone who takes glee from torture and creative killing as a sport? How foolish are we to believe he "rehabilitates" himself? No second chances on this one. Or for those who want to forgive him, he has to spend his rehab in your home, with your wives and children. Unsupervised.
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08-24-2007, 01:47 AM	#10
cadilacin "Real Talk" Join Date: May 2007 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 148	Re: Does Vick deserve shot at redemption? Everybody wants to make this into a black and white thing so bad that it has become a black and white thang! But N E Way... "If" Vick electrocuted dogs...he should be punished (don't know if he did). "If" Vick Body Slammed dogs...he should be punished (don't know if he did). Vick participated and gambled on dog fighting...he should and will be punished. And he also should have a chance at redemption. I have a Jack Russel Terrier named Ali who I love dearly so, Im not into dog fighting. But I don't think it's worst than men who hunt deer. Men who hide in the woods, and shoot deer while they're drinking from a pond...now they as well "should be punished". Thats sick to me too. But thats legal...(I wonder why). It amazes me how we like to try and make one thing seem so much more worse than a simular thing, when they are equally as inhumane. If a man trains his Pit Bull to fight and want to fight against another man's Pit Bull...thats they decision. At least it's a fair fight (unlike the man who shoots the un-armed deer from 20 feet, with a shotgun). It's not my thang, it's a very violent thang, I wouldn't let my dog do that thang...but thats they decision. And that decision to commit that illegal act landed him facing a prison term. But I don't think that "act" is as cruel as some other thangs that society accepts...so YES...He deserves a chance at redemption. Cause if hunting is a "sport", maybe we should shrug out shoulders and say..."It's just dog fighting"... Plus. I love when the saints play the falcons with vick in the lineup. makes for some good football. who dat!!!!!
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