Final thoughts before kickoff

kategory 5 · 09-03-2007, 01:59 PM

the front 4 has to get pressure if we can get pressure with the 4, our secondary will be efficient enough to get the job done, as long as we can keep big play FT off the field.

geaux saints

saintsfan1976 · 09-03-2007, 03:40 PM

Originally Posted by kategory 5

the front 4 has to get pressure if we can get pressure with the 4, our secondary will be efficient enough to get the job done, as long as we can keep big play FT off the field.

geaux saints

I think secondary is the key!! Manning can make plays if we bing the heat or not. NO BIG PLAYS....

SaintFanInATLHELL · 09-03-2007, 04:03 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

I think secondary is the key!! Manning can make plays if we bing the heat or not. NO BIG PLAYS....

Truthfully after watching Gibbs defense for a year, I think that giving up big plays is part of the risk of the defense. I think that the consistency of big plays is going to be the issue.

Gibbs defense is man to man in the secondary with pressure up front. That means that opposing offenses are going to get opportunities to throw the ball down the field. Now you get a mix of results on such plays:

1) Incompletions
2) Completions
3) Interceptions

The problem last season is that there was way too much of #2 and not enough of the others. Increase the defensed passes and interceptions relative to completions and we'll be better off.

Part of Fred's problem was biting on the short fake then getting burned because he couldn't recover afterwards. Even if the secondary allows for a higher percentage of those shorter completions in tradeoff for preventing the longer ones, then I think we'll be better off.

SFIAH

cajun1977 · 09-03-2007, 04:30 PM

we need turnovers simple as that, the more times we can get a turnover and stop third down plays ,the more we can get our offense the ball.and then we can put up some cushion points

ssmitty · 09-03-2007, 05:02 PM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

Truthfully after watching Gibbs defense for a year, I think that giving up big plays is part of the risk of the defense. I think that the consistency of big plays is going to be the issue.

Gibbs defense is man to man in the secondary with pressure up front. That means that opposing offenses are going to get opportunities to throw the ball down the field. Now you get a mix of results on such plays:

1) Incompletions
2) Completions
3) Interceptions

The problem last season is that there was way too much of #2 and not enough of the others. Increase the defensed passes and interceptions relative to completions and we'll be better off.

Part of Fred's problem was biting on the short fake then getting burned because he couldn't recover afterwards. Even if the secondary allows for a higher percentage of those shorter completions in tradeoff for preventing the longer ones, then I think we'll be better off.

SFIAH

you leave off an important part...........
penaltys.........
and you leave off the offense
our offense, doing the same thing....
this killed us with the best defenses
and will continue to do so if we
can't gel and overcome.......
other than that, everythings peachy.............

SaintFanInATLHELL · 09-04-2007, 10:58 AM

Originally Posted by ssmitty

you leave off an important part...........
penaltys.........

What about them? Last year the team was in the top 5 in the league for both least penalties and penalty-yardarge.

and you leave off the offense
our offense, doing the same thing....

Doing the same thing? Most yards per game? Top 5 in scoring?

I'd be quite happy if the offense were doing the same thing!

this killed us with the best defenses
and will continue to do so if we
can't gel and overcome.......
other than that, everythings peachy.............

Thanks for making my point. Everything is in fact peachy. Every offense in the NFL has problems with top 5 defenses, including the Saints and the Colts.

The Colts do not have the best defense. The Saints defense is better than the Colts defense.

Thursday will not be a blowout in either direction. But overall the Saints have a comparable offense and a better defense than the Colts. That should translate to a win.

SFIAH

billyh1026 · 09-03-2007, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

I think secondary is the key!! Manning can make plays if we bing the heat or not. NO BIG PLAYS....

McKenzie is gonna be picked on all night. Harrison lines up on the right side 99% of the time. Gibbs better have plans to roll a safety over and get him help on that side. AND, figure out other ways to help him too. If he doesn't they're gonna eat McKenzie alive.

As a disclaimer - I have to tell you that I don't think he's a good corner. Wasn't with GB & isn't here. Is he decent? Yes. Is he really good? No.
I think he could be better if he cut the dreads. They have to weigh a good bit and slow his head snap reactions. I honestly think they're a liability to him. Agree? Disagree?

p.s. I hope Deuce scores 3 or 4 touches. He's one of my fantasy RB's. And, it's a score only league...

saintsfan1976 · 09-03-2007, 05:17 PM

Originally Posted by billyh1026

McKenzie is gonna be picked on all night. Harrison lines up on the right side 99% of the time. Gibbs better have plans to roll a safety over and get him help on that side. AND, figure out other ways to help him too. If he doesn't they're gonna eat McKenzie alive.

As a disclaimer - I have to tell you that I don't think he's a good corner. Wasn't with GB & isn't here. Is he decent? Yes. Is he really good? No.
I think he could be better if he cut the dreads. They have to weigh a good bit and slow his head snap reactions. I honestly think they're a liability to him. Agree? Disagree?

Agreed on all points.

spkb25 · 09-03-2007, 05:49 PM

i m going to get my two cents out there. theese are my keys to victory every week and i think it is still the same with us playing indy

no turn overs
limit the penalties
get off the field on third down

09-03-2007, 01:59 PM	#1
kategory 5 Rookie Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 4	Re: Final thoughts before kickoff the front 4 has to get pressure if we can get pressure with the 4, our secondary will be efficient enough to get the job done, as long as we can keep big play FT off the field. geaux saints
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09-03-2007, 04:03 PM	#3
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,786	Re: Final thoughts before kickoff Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 I think secondary is the key!! Manning can make plays if we bing the heat or not. NO BIG PLAYS.... Truthfully after watching Gibbs defense for a year, I think that giving up big plays is part of the risk of the defense. I think that the consistency of big plays is going to be the issue. Gibbs defense is man to man in the secondary with pressure up front. That means that opposing offenses are going to get opportunities to throw the ball down the field. Now you get a mix of results on such plays: 1) Incompletions 2) Completions 3) Interceptions The problem last season is that there was way too much of #2 and not enough of the others. Increase the defensed passes and interceptions relative to completions and we'll be better off. Part of Fred's problem was biting on the short fake then getting burned because he couldn't recover afterwards. Even if the secondary allows for a higher percentage of those shorter completions in tradeoff for preventing the longer ones, then I think we'll be better off. SFIAH
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09-03-2007, 04:30 PM	#4
cajun1977 Registered Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Bella vista. Arkansas Posts: 35	Re: Final thoughts before kickoff we need turnovers simple as that, the more times we can get a turnover and stop third down plays ,the more we can get our offense the ball.and then we can put up some cushion points

09-03-2007, 05:02 PM	#5
ssmitty 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,879	Re: Final thoughts before kickoff Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL Truthfully after watching Gibbs defense for a year, I think that giving up big plays is part of the risk of the defense. I think that the consistency of big plays is going to be the issue. Gibbs defense is man to man in the secondary with pressure up front. That means that opposing offenses are going to get opportunities to throw the ball down the field. Now you get a mix of results on such plays: 1) Incompletions 2) Completions 3) Interceptions The problem last season is that there was way too much of #2 and not enough of the others. Increase the defensed passes and interceptions relative to completions and we'll be better off. Part of Fred's problem was biting on the short fake then getting burned because he couldn't recover afterwards. Even if the secondary allows for a higher percentage of those shorter completions in tradeoff for preventing the longer ones, then I think we'll be better off. SFIAH you leave off an important part........... penaltys......... and you leave off the offense our offense, doing the same thing.... this killed us with the best defenses and will continue to do so if we can't gel and overcome....... other than that, everythings peachy.............
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09-04-2007, 10:58 AM	#6
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,786	Re: Final thoughts before kickoff Originally Posted by ssmitty you leave off an important part........... penaltys......... What about them? Last year the team was in the top 5 in the league for both least penalties and penalty-yardarge. and you leave off the offense our offense, doing the same thing.... Doing the same thing? Most yards per game? Top 5 in scoring? I'd be quite happy if the offense were doing the same thing! this killed us with the best defenses and will continue to do so if we can't gel and overcome....... other than that, everythings peachy............. Thanks for making my point. Everything is in fact peachy. Every offense in the NFL has problems with top 5 defenses, including the Saints and the Colts. The Colts do not have the best defense. The Saints defense is better than the Colts defense. Thursday will not be a blowout in either direction. But overall the Saints have a comparable offense and a better defense than the Colts. That should translate to a win. SFIAH
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09-03-2007, 03:40 PM	#2
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,051 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Final thoughts before kickoff Originally Posted by kategory 5 the front 4 has to get pressure if we can get pressure with the 4, our secondary will be efficient enough to get the job done, as long as we can keep big play FT off the field. geaux saints I think secondary is the key!! Manning can make plays if we bing the heat or not. NO BIG PLAYS....

09-03-2007, 05:10 PM	#7
billyh1026 100th Post Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 213	Re: Final thoughts before kickoff Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 I think secondary is the key!! Manning can make plays if we bing the heat or not. NO BIG PLAYS.... McKenzie is gonna be picked on all night. Harrison lines up on the right side 99% of the time. Gibbs better have plans to roll a safety over and get him help on that side. AND, figure out other ways to help him too. If he doesn't they're gonna eat McKenzie alive. As a disclaimer - I have to tell you that I don't think he's a good corner. Wasn't with GB & isn't here. Is he decent? Yes. Is he really good? No. I think he could be better if he cut the dreads. They have to weigh a good bit and slow his head snap reactions. I honestly think they're a liability to him. Agree? Disagree? p.s. I hope Deuce scores 3 or 4 touches. He's one of my fantasy RB's. And, it's a score only league...
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09-03-2007, 05:17 PM	#8
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,051 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Final thoughts before kickoff Originally Posted by billyh1026 McKenzie is gonna be picked on all night. Harrison lines up on the right side 99% of the time. Gibbs better have plans to roll a safety over and get him help on that side. AND, figure out other ways to help him too. If he doesn't they're gonna eat McKenzie alive. As a disclaimer - I have to tell you that I don't think he's a good corner. Wasn't with GB & isn't here. Is he decent? Yes. Is he really good? No. I think he could be better if he cut the dreads. They have to weigh a good bit and slow his head snap reactions. I honestly think they're a liability to him. Agree? Disagree? Agreed on all points.

09-03-2007, 05:49 PM	#9
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,145	Re: Final thoughts before kickoff i m going to get my two cents out there. theese are my keys to victory every week and i think it is still the same with us playing indy no turn overs limit the penalties get off the field on third down