Thoughts...

saintfan · 09-07-2007, 02:34 PM

Bottom Line:

The Saints have the Same problem now they have had for several years. No defense and a suspect offensive line. I don't know why more isn't said about the O-Line. Brees has his worst game since coming here. The play calling last night, in my opinion, was not very smart either. Drew will bounce back, and Deuce and Reggie will have many moments this year, but we're treading water until our O-Line is fixed/gels, whatever, and until we figure out how to play the run and pass in the same game. SSDD

LongTimeFan · 09-07-2007, 10:18 PM

Originally Posted by SAINTSFAN834

We obviously watched different games if that is a serious comment.

I thought MM had an OK game, I'd take another MM about now..

ThePrivate · 09-08-2007, 01:14 AM

Man, ESPN ripped us apart. But that's okay, they will be riding on that bandwagon real soon!

CHACHING · 09-08-2007, 09:45 AM

Originally Posted by ThePrivate

Man, ESPN ripped us apart. But that's okay, they will be riding on that bandwagon real soon!

I like it when they do that...
Makes people forget us.....
Makes for a great recipe.......

hagan714 · 09-08-2007, 09:49 AM

Broadcasters so what. You should not take it serious. We deserved the ripping anyways.

Dan the Man · 09-08-2007, 11:38 AM

Yeah, I'd rather them rip us apart. Every time they start talking good about us and picking us to win over a big team we end up losing, like Thursday night.

Turbo Saint · 09-08-2007, 12:17 PM

i wanna see KK and simmons in...just like th rest of you. i was really impressed with what i saw from KK in preseason...he's a beast.

JKool · 09-08-2007, 06:16 PM

Here are my thoughts on "thoughts":

(1) No one here expected us to go 16-0. No one.

(2) Sure it is sucky that we lost this week, but at least it was to a good team playing well.

(3) Our offense had a lot of problems. That is a concern. However, after the first 8 minutes or so of the second half we were playing catch-up. The thing that is most troubling here is that Brees lost his composure. If he stays calm, we're alright.

(4) It is good to get the first loss out of the way early - this way the team isn't feeling invincible when we match up against division rivals (where it is more important that we get some Ws).

(5) We didn't have any big personel changes on O, so lets call it bad play calling and first game jitters and expect better next week.

hagan714 · 09-08-2007, 06:21 PM

Do not panic..your right Jkool. lets see what next week brings

SaintFanInATLHELL · 09-09-2007, 09:52 AM

Originally Posted by JKool

Here are my thoughts on "thoughts":

(1) No one here expected us to go 16-0. No one.

Nor will anyone else most likely. I've seen predictions as low as 9-7, though personally I don't believe it.

(2) Sure it is sucky that we lost this week, but at least it was to a good team playing well.

It wasn't the losing that was the issue. It was the lack of competitiveness in the second half of the game. I know that we are a lot like Indy's team last year in that our defense is not yet a championship group that can dominate a game. Our offense has a obligation to dominate a game. I think they were surprised by the speed and the scheme of the Colts defense. That's what was disappointing.

(3) Our offense had a lot of problems. That is a concern. However, after the first 8 minutes or so of the second half we were playing catch-up. The thing that is most troubling here is that Brees lost his composure. If he stays calm, we're alright.

Playcalling comes into play here too. You can't abandon the run when playing a deep 2 shell. You have to either run the ball or the equivalent of short screen or swing passes.

It didn't look like the OL did very well in the game. The DL of the Colts was establishing the LOS 2 yards in the Saints backfield.

But you have to keep running the ball to draw in the linebackers and the safeties. As an alternative you can spread the formation and clear out the underneath area. The Saints did this a bit in the second half. Johnson was really the only effective weapon later in the game.

(4) It is good to get the first loss out of the way early - this way the team isn't feeling invincible when we match up against division rivals (where it is more important that we get some Ws).

It's both the least costly and most expected loss of the season. Most folks thinks that the NFC is the JV of the league anyway. The Colts are the #1 AFC team. Last year we went 1-3 against the AFC and you can see how damaging that was (i.e. #2 seed and a berth in the championship game). Beat teams in your division and conference and everything else takes care of itself.

(5) We didn't have any big personel changes on O, so lets call it bad play calling and first game jitters and expect better next week.

I disagree here. It was a beatdown plain and simple. Brees needs to be relatively clean to be effective and he was pressured all game long.

Coach Payton still needs to learn that you do not let defenses dictate your playcalling. If a defense gears up to stop the run, you still keep running at them to make them committ. That sets up play action.

It'll all be a distant memory after we take care of Tampa and right the ship.

SFIAH

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09-07-2007, 10:18 PM	#32
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09-08-2007, 01:14 AM	#33
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09-08-2007, 06:16 PM	#38
JKool 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 2,423	Re: Thoughts... Here are my thoughts on "thoughts": (1) No one here expected us to go 16-0. No one. (2) Sure it is sucky that we lost this week, but at least it was to a good team playing well. (3) Our offense had a lot of problems. That is a concern. However, after the first 8 minutes or so of the second half we were playing catch-up. The thing that is most troubling here is that Brees lost his composure. If he stays calm, we're alright. (4) It is good to get the first loss out of the way early - this way the team isn't feeling invincible when we match up against division rivals (where it is more important that we get some Ws). (5) We didn't have any big personel changes on O, so lets call it bad play calling and first game jitters and expect better next week.
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09-08-2007, 06:21 PM	#39
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Thoughts... Do not panic..your right Jkool. lets see what next week brings

09-09-2007, 09:52 AM	#40
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,773	Re: Thoughts... Originally Posted by JKool Here are my thoughts on "thoughts": (1) No one here expected us to go 16-0. No one. Nor will anyone else most likely. I've seen predictions as low as 9-7, though personally I don't believe it. (2) Sure it is sucky that we lost this week, but at least it was to a good team playing well. It wasn't the losing that was the issue. It was the lack of competitiveness in the second half of the game. I know that we are a lot like Indy's team last year in that our defense is not yet a championship group that can dominate a game. Our offense has a obligation to dominate a game. I think they were surprised by the speed and the scheme of the Colts defense. That's what was disappointing. (3) Our offense had a lot of problems. That is a concern. However, after the first 8 minutes or so of the second half we were playing catch-up. The thing that is most troubling here is that Brees lost his composure. If he stays calm, we're alright. Playcalling comes into play here too. You can't abandon the run when playing a deep 2 shell. You have to either run the ball or the equivalent of short screen or swing passes. It didn't look like the OL did very well in the game. The DL of the Colts was establishing the LOS 2 yards in the Saints backfield. But you have to keep running the ball to draw in the linebackers and the safeties. As an alternative you can spread the formation and clear out the underneath area. The Saints did this a bit in the second half. Johnson was really the only effective weapon later in the game. (4) It is good to get the first loss out of the way early - this way the team isn't feeling invincible when we match up against division rivals (where it is more important that we get some Ws). It's both the least costly and most expected loss of the season. Most folks thinks that the NFC is the JV of the league anyway. The Colts are the #1 AFC team. Last year we went 1-3 against the AFC and you can see how damaging that was (i.e. #2 seed and a berth in the championship game). Beat teams in your division and conference and everything else takes care of itself. (5) We didn't have any big personel changes on O, so lets call it bad play calling and first game jitters and expect better next week. I disagree here. It was a beatdown plain and simple. Brees needs to be relatively clean to be effective and he was pressured all game long. Coach Payton still needs to learn that you do not let defenses dictate your playcalling. If a defense gears up to stop the run, you still keep running at them to make them committ. That sets up play action. It'll all be a distant memory after we take care of Tampa and right the ship. SFIAH
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