Deuce

FrenzyFan · 09-18-2007, 12:00 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

Do you guys know how to read....

Why, yes, I am certain we all know how to read and have been doing so for most of our lives. Thank you for asking.

I disagree with your opinion, however. The defense has not underperformed to the same level as the offense has underperformed. The comparison between the two ARE NOT EVEN IN THE SAME GALAXY. Everyone knows our defense is not good, it's a scheme defense that depends upon the offense's play. Fix the offense, our REAL problem and not a convenient goat to blame it on, and the defense will be fine.

Euphoria · 09-18-2007, 12:22 PM

Originally Posted by FrenzyFan

Why, yes, I am certain we all know how to read and have been doing so for most of our lives. Thank you for asking.

I disagree with your opinion, however. The defense has not underperformed to the same level as the offense has underperformed. The comparison between the two ARE NOT EVEN IN THE SAME GALAXY. Everyone knows our defense is not good, it's a scheme defense that depends upon the offense's play. Fix the offense, our REAL problem and not a convenient goat to blame it on, and the defense will be fine.

Well you are wrong. When your D is effective you have more options on Offense to run the ball with Deuce. If you want to run run run Deuce you're D has to be effective.

How many points Tampa scored against us... TAMPA. We made Tampa look like the Colts. Yeah our offense isn't doing its job but fixing it with running Deuce isn't the answer unless your D can hold opponets to at least 17. Tampa HELL-FREAKIN-O! Tampa!

Hell if Tampa can score 24 points against you you deserve to lose.

saintsfan1976 · 09-18-2007, 01:55 PM

Originally Posted by FrenzyFan

Why, yes, I am certain we all know how to read and have been doing so for most of our lives. Thank you for asking.

I disagree with your opinion, however. The defense has not underperformed to the same level as the offense has underperformed. The comparison between the two ARE NOT EVEN IN THE SAME GALAXY. Everyone knows our defense is not good, it's a scheme defense that depends upon the offense's play. Fix the offense, our REAL problem and not a convenient goat to blame it on, and the defense will be fine.

I respectfully disagree..... Have you watched the way J David lines up? His technique is bad, his coverage is bad... There is very little pressure coming from W Smith and C Grant on the ends, almost no safety help (again).

IMHO, the offense is off due to the O Line....The D is off because of 11 players.....Hey let's just say that they are both equally sucky

Euphoria · 09-18-2007, 02:18 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

I respectfully disagree..... Have you watched the way J David lines up? His technique is bad, his coverage is bad... There is very little pressure coming from W Smith and C Grant on the ends, almost no safety help (again).

IMHO, the offense is off due to the O Line....The D is off because of 11 players.....Hey let's just say that they are both equally sucky

I don't think anyone is arguing the point that both units sucked so far but one sets up the other. The D is far more horrific. If you can slow down a team then the Saints can play the numbers and run more but when they fall behind so much they can't keep running the ball. They are forced to open it up and they take away our deep stuff which makes it more difficult for us.

FrenzyFan · 09-18-2007, 03:34 PM

Respectfully, I don't think I am "wrong." I think I have a different opinion than yours, and I am comfortable enough in my football knowledge that I don't have act defensively in defending it.

I agree when you say that one set's up the other. However, I don't think anyone would expect our defense to set up our offense, at least not prior to the start of this season. On the contrary, I think everyone believed the opposite would be true - that the play of our offense would keep our defense off the field and force the other team to play from behind. In my opinion, the offense is what has let us down. The defense is what it is, a scheme defense that depends upon being set up by our supposedly explosive offense. Perhaps they've underperformed. I'm not sure, though, because it's hard to gauge the performance of the defense when the other half of the football team doesn't even show up. The offense has underperformed far more and if I have to identify a key problem with the team in that scenerio, it's not the defense.

To put it another way, if a turtle and a hare have a race. We are not surprised when the turtle loses, after all he is the slow one (lacks ability in the speed department and everyone knows it). On the other hand, if the hare loses....you have to wonder what's wrong with that rabbit.

Euphoria · 09-18-2007, 04:17 PM

Originally Posted by FrenzyFan

Respectfully, I don't think I am "wrong." I think I have a different opinion than yours, and I am comfortable enough in my football knowledge that I don't have act defensively in defending it.

I agree when you say that one set's up the other. However, I don't think anyone would expect our defense to set up our offense, at least not prior to the start of this season. On the contrary, I think everyone believed the opposite would be true - that the play of our offense would keep our defense off the field and force the other team to play from behind. In my opinion, the offense is what has let us down. The defense is what it is, a scheme defense that depends upon being set up by our supposedly explosive offense. Perhaps they've underperformed. I'm not sure, though, because it's hard to gauge the performance of the defense when the other half of the football team doesn't even show up. The offense has underperformed far more and if I have to identify a key problem with the team in that scenerio, it's not the defense.

To put it another way, if a turtle and a hare have a race. We are not surprised when the turtle loses, after all he is the slow one (lacks ability in the speed department and everyone knows it). On the other hand, if the hare loses....you have to wonder what's wrong with that rabbit.

No what you and others think should happen is our offense should out score the opposing team and forget the D. Ya need both. Are you aware how many points they have given up this year already?

If our Defense can keep the opponets close in a game we have a lot more options on offense, that includes running Deuce 30 times if they don't come up and stop the run. To keep them honest we can then throw a few passes around. When the opponets score 30 plus points on you that limits what we can do on offense. We have to throw more. Running Deuce is going to eat up the clock and only help the opponets win the game. SO the Colts for instance took out our deep passing attack and scored heavy on us. We can't come back as fast - forced to take the short stuff.

The key to beating the Saints... THROW and take away the Saints passing game. Look it up... its how we lost 2 games now.

WillMacKenzie · 09-18-2007, 04:41 PM

Ok let's simplify this.

run, run, pass. 1st down

run, run, pass. 1st down

run, run, play action pass. Touchdown. 9 minute drive. everyone's happy.

Current Saints playcalling:

run(fumble). Turnover

screen pass, screen pass, RB draw. Punt

run, incomplete pass, screen pass. Punt

run(fumble). Turnover

Now you want OUR defense...much LESS a Ravens defense...to defend an NFL offense for DOUBLE the possessions they should be having to defend. Unrealistic.

FrenzyFan · 09-18-2007, 04:44 PM

Originally Posted by WillMacKenzie

Ok let's simplify this.

run, run, pass. 1st down

run, run, pass. 1st down

run, run, play action pass. Touchdown. 9 minute drive. everyone's happy.

Current Saints playcalling:

run(fumble). Turnover

screen pass, screen pass, RB draw. Punt

run, incomplete pass, screen pass. Punt

run(fumble). Turnover

Now you want OUR defense...much LESS a Ravens defense...to defend an NFL offense for DOUBLE the possessions they should be having to defend. Unrealistic.

Well said.

Edit: And to take a step further, we'll blame our team's problems on our defense's inability to keep us in the game you just described.

Euphoria · 09-18-2007, 05:09 PM

Originally Posted by WillMacKenzie

Ok let's simplify this.

Unrealistic.

No its not that simple I am affraid. That doesn't account for all the points scored against the worse Defense in the league right now. Yeah I said it they are horrible.

I think I can QB with my grand mother at WR... and I'll look like Payton Manning out there. Sure our Offense hasn't been that good either but when you can score 30 points and take away the other teams passing game what happens??? TELL ME? YOU LOSE.

09-18-2007, 12:00 PM	#1
FrenzyFan 100th Post Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 406	Re: Deuce Originally Posted by Euphoria Do you guys know how to read.... Why, yes, I am certain we all know how to read and have been doing so for most of our lives. Thank you for asking. I disagree with your opinion, however. The defense has not underperformed to the same level as the offense has underperformed. The comparison between the two ARE NOT EVEN IN THE SAME GALAXY. Everyone knows our defense is not good, it's a scheme defense that depends upon the offense's play. Fix the offense, our REAL problem and not a convenient goat to blame it on, and the defense will be fine.
FrenzyFan 100th Post Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 406

09-18-2007, 12:22 PM	#2
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Deuce Originally Posted by FrenzyFan Why, yes, I am certain we all know how to read and have been doing so for most of our lives. Thank you for asking. I disagree with your opinion, however. The defense has not underperformed to the same level as the offense has underperformed. The comparison between the two ARE NOT EVEN IN THE SAME GALAXY. Everyone knows our defense is not good, it's a scheme defense that depends upon the offense's play. Fix the offense, our REAL problem and not a convenient goat to blame it on, and the defense will be fine. Well you are wrong. When your D is effective you have more options on Offense to run the ball with Deuce. If you want to run run run Deuce you're D has to be effective. How many points Tampa scored against us... TAMPA. We made Tampa look like the Colts. Yeah our offense isn't doing its job but fixing it with running Deuce isn't the answer unless your D can hold opponets to at least 17. Tampa HELL-FREAKIN-O! Tampa! Hell if Tampa can score 24 points against you you deserve to lose.

09-18-2007, 01:55 PM	#3
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,013 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Deuce Originally Posted by FrenzyFan Why, yes, I am certain we all know how to read and have been doing so for most of our lives. Thank you for asking. I disagree with your opinion, however. The defense has not underperformed to the same level as the offense has underperformed. The comparison between the two ARE NOT EVEN IN THE SAME GALAXY. Everyone knows our defense is not good, it's a scheme defense that depends upon the offense's play. Fix the offense, our REAL problem and not a convenient goat to blame it on, and the defense will be fine. I respectfully disagree..... Have you watched the way J David lines up? His technique is bad, his coverage is bad... There is very little pressure coming from W Smith and C Grant on the ends, almost no safety help (again). IMHO, the offense is off due to the O Line....The D is off because of 11 players.....Hey let's just say that they are both equally sucky

09-18-2007, 02:18 PM	#4
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Deuce Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 I respectfully disagree..... Have you watched the way J David lines up? His technique is bad, his coverage is bad... There is very little pressure coming from W Smith and C Grant on the ends, almost no safety help (again). IMHO, the offense is off due to the O Line....The D is off because of 11 players.....Hey let's just say that they are both equally sucky I don't think anyone is arguing the point that both units sucked so far but one sets up the other. The D is far more horrific. If you can slow down a team then the Saints can play the numbers and run more but when they fall behind so much they can't keep running the ball. They are forced to open it up and they take away our deep stuff which makes it more difficult for us.

09-18-2007, 03:34 PM	#5
FrenzyFan 100th Post Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 406	Re: Deuce Respectfully, I don't think I am "wrong." I think I have a different opinion than yours, and I am comfortable enough in my football knowledge that I don't have act defensively in defending it. I agree when you say that one set's up the other. However, I don't think anyone would expect our defense to set up our offense, at least not prior to the start of this season. On the contrary, I think everyone believed the opposite would be true - that the play of our offense would keep our defense off the field and force the other team to play from behind. In my opinion, the offense is what has let us down. The defense is what it is, a scheme defense that depends upon being set up by our supposedly explosive offense. Perhaps they've underperformed. I'm not sure, though, because it's hard to gauge the performance of the defense when the other half of the football team doesn't even show up. The offense has underperformed far more and if I have to identify a key problem with the team in that scenerio, it's not the defense. To put it another way, if a turtle and a hare have a race. We are not surprised when the turtle loses, after all he is the slow one (lacks ability in the speed department and everyone knows it). On the other hand, if the hare loses....you have to wonder what's wrong with that rabbit.
FrenzyFan 100th Post Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 406	\"The AB brand of TP will hurt your O-ring.\" - BlackandBlue http://www.darrylbercegeay.com/wsmith1.jpg

09-18-2007, 04:17 PM	#6
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Deuce Originally Posted by FrenzyFan Respectfully, I don't think I am "wrong." I think I have a different opinion than yours, and I am comfortable enough in my football knowledge that I don't have act defensively in defending it. I agree when you say that one set's up the other. However, I don't think anyone would expect our defense to set up our offense, at least not prior to the start of this season. On the contrary, I think everyone believed the opposite would be true - that the play of our offense would keep our defense off the field and force the other team to play from behind. In my opinion, the offense is what has let us down. The defense is what it is, a scheme defense that depends upon being set up by our supposedly explosive offense. Perhaps they've underperformed. I'm not sure, though, because it's hard to gauge the performance of the defense when the other half of the football team doesn't even show up. The offense has underperformed far more and if I have to identify a key problem with the team in that scenerio, it's not the defense. To put it another way, if a turtle and a hare have a race. We are not surprised when the turtle loses, after all he is the slow one (lacks ability in the speed department and everyone knows it). On the other hand, if the hare loses....you have to wonder what's wrong with that rabbit. No what you and others think should happen is our offense should out score the opposing team and forget the D. Ya need both. Are you aware how many points they have given up this year already? If our Defense can keep the opponets close in a game we have a lot more options on offense, that includes running Deuce 30 times if they don't come up and stop the run. To keep them honest we can then throw a few passes around. When the opponets score 30 plus points on you that limits what we can do on offense. We have to throw more. Running Deuce is going to eat up the clock and only help the opponets win the game. SO the Colts for instance took out our deep passing attack and scored heavy on us. We can't come back as fast - forced to take the short stuff. The key to beating the Saints... THROW and take away the Saints passing game. Look it up... its how we lost 2 games now.

09-18-2007, 04:41 PM	#7
WillMacKenzie 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,627	Re: Deuce Ok let's simplify this. run, run, pass. 1st down run, run, pass. 1st down run, run, play action pass. Touchdown. 9 minute drive. everyone's happy. Current Saints playcalling: run(fumble). Turnover screen pass, screen pass, RB draw. Punt run, incomplete pass, screen pass. Punt run(fumble). Turnover Now you want OUR defense...much LESS a Ravens defense...to defend an NFL offense for DOUBLE the possessions they should be having to defend. Unrealistic.

09-18-2007, 04:44 PM	#8
FrenzyFan 100th Post Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 406	Re: Deuce Originally Posted by WillMacKenzie Ok let's simplify this. run, run, pass. 1st down run, run, pass. 1st down run, run, play action pass. Touchdown. 9 minute drive. everyone's happy. Current Saints playcalling: run(fumble). Turnover screen pass, screen pass, RB draw. Punt run, incomplete pass, screen pass. Punt run(fumble). Turnover Now you want OUR defense...much LESS a Ravens defense...to defend an NFL offense for DOUBLE the possessions they should be having to defend. Unrealistic. Well said. Edit: And to take a step further, we'll blame our team's problems on our defense's inability to keep us in the game you just described.
FrenzyFan 100th Post Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 406	Last edited by FrenzyFan; 09-18-2007 at 04:46 PM..

09-18-2007, 05:09 PM	#9
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Deuce Originally Posted by WillMacKenzie Ok let's simplify this. Unrealistic. No its not that simple I am affraid. That doesn't account for all the points scored against the worse Defense in the league right now. Yeah I said it they are horrible. I think I can QB with my grand mother at WR... and I'll look like Payton Manning out there. Sure our Offense hasn't been that good either but when you can score 30 points and take away the other teams passing game what happens??? TELL ME? YOU LOSE.

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Email this Page
Display Modes
Switch to Linear Mode Hybrid Mode Switch to Threaded Mode