Deuce

ScottyRo · 09-18-2007, 12:20 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

Do you guys know how to read... the problem is the Defense. You can't run deuce when you are down 17-21 points going into the 4th quarter.

The point isn't what should we be doing when we're down by 21 in the fourth it is why are we getting down so quickly. The answer is two-fold:

1. This defense may be worse than last year in every phase save the D-Line. I think the LB's are OK except for that big whole in the middle named Simoneau. I'm sorry, but he is out of position too often and when he's there to make a tackle he gets dragged 3 or 4 yards unless he has help. The DB's have not jelled. You can forget the Indy game cuz Peyton can torch even the best DB's. They were a little better against TB, but not much. Forget turnovers. I'd just like to see a few passes defensed each game right now.

Even still they are getting no help from the offense...

2. They seem to be running the ball OK. Passing has been horrible. Drew seems a bit off, but I think that is attributable more to the O-line looking more like I thought they'd look last year than a unit that has played together for a year already.

Nevertheless, I think the biggest problem has been our formations. Last year, 70 to 80% of the plays involved Reggie or someone else in motion behind the line of scrimmage many times as a decoy to Deuce's runs, but also to work on match ups. They don't seem to do that much this year and I think that is making them easier to stop. The opposing defense seems to have a better idea of where the ball is going and has plenty of people there.

My suggestion is to scrap this year's playbook and return to what was working last year. There has been a philosophy change that is killing us on offense.

Papa Voodoo · 09-18-2007, 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by ScottyRo

The point isn't what should we be doing when we're down by 21 in the fourth it is why are we getting down so quickly. The answer is two-fold:

1. This defense may be worse than last year in every phase save the D-Line. I think the LB's are OK except for that big whole in the middle named Simoneau. I'm sorry, but he is out of position too often and when he's there to make a tackle he gets dragged 3 or 4 yards unless he has help. The DB's have not jelled. You can forget the Indy game cuz Peyton can torch even the best DB's. They were a little better against TB, but not much. Forget turnovers. I'd just like to see a few passes defensed each game right now.

Even still they are getting no help from the offense...

2. They seem to be running the ball OK. Passing has been horrible. Drew seems a bit off, but I think that is attributable more to the O-line looking more like I thought they'd look last year than a unit that has played together for a year already.

Nevertheless, I think the biggest problem has been our formations. Last year, 70 to 80% of the plays involved Reggie or someone else in motion behind the line of scrimmage many times as a decoy to Deuce's runs, but also to work on match ups. They don't seem to do that much this year and I think that is making them easier to stop. The opposing defense seems to have a better idea of where the ball is going and has plenty of people there.

My suggestion is to scrap this year's playbook and return to what was working last year. There has been a philosophy change that is killing us on offense.

On NFL Primetime last night our woes were discussed throughout the evening by the likes of Bill Parcels, Mike Ditka, K. Johnson, and M. Schlereth.

Ditka said Reggie needs to quit dancing and go to which Schlereth said he needs to stop trying to bust every run outside for a TD and take 2 yard agins in the middle.

Ditka also said You can't tell the O-Line to pass block 45-50 times a game. Schlereth agreed that he could never do that and he ain't no joke. They also mentioned it hurts the O-Line becuase they can't get nasty and run block. They went further to say that when things aren't going right you run the ball and knock the other team in the mouth.

Ditka, Schlereth, Hodge, and Johnson all agreed that we have to run Deuce a lot more. Quit being so cerebral and hit somebody. Hodge said that the Defense will play better if the O gets it going with Deuce.

Parcells said Deuce is important, but that our secondary is crap and there's no depth.

So, The Pro-Deuce fans are right and the Pro-Our Secondary Wears Miniskirts fans are right. We're not going to get Champ Bailey any time soon so I say sub KK for Bullocks. Sub Simmons for Simoneau, and sub Usama for David. Then Run Deuce like a Mack Truck!

WhoDat205 · 09-18-2007, 12:48 PM

On the secondary and LBs: we all know they're week...like worst in the NFL week. I really think the team needs to refuse to give up the deep balls. Play two deep zones and the like and force teams to beat you with the run. Trying to Man up on the outside and send LBs to blitz doesn't work because the LBs and the CBs are...uhh...not good at football (except Fuji, who couldn't cover me up the seam and MM who is eligable for Medicare next month).

Now that means that the DL has to step up and stop the run at the point of attack, B/C the LBs are not getting it done. Thankfully, I believe the talent is there on the line...even at DT.

ScottyRo · 09-18-2007, 12:49 PM

Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo

Ditka also said You can't tell the O-Line to pass block 45-50 times a game. Schlereth agreed that he could never do that and he ain't no joke. They also mentioned it hurts the O-Line becuase they can't get nasty and run block. They went further to say that when things aren't going right you run the ball and knock the other team in the mouth.

I agree with lots of what you posted , but to this I have an exception. Sure, 40 or 50 pass blocks a game may be too much, but what does that have to do with their lack of pass blocking ability in the first quarter or first half? It's not like they look worse as the game goes on. They look bad from play one.

I'll be very interested in seeing how the cowboys do down the stretch this year. They went through what everyone was calling "Camp Cupcake", but seem to be on fire so far. Our guys have looked slow and worn out so far. Maybe the days of killing our guys in the intense heat of summer during training camp should be put to bed forever. It seems t me that practicing during training camp indoors shouldn't hurt us any since in more than half the games each year we play inside anyway.

09-18-2007, 12:20 PM	#1
ScottyRo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Williamsburg, VA (ugh, the food here) Posts: 1,704	Re: Deuce Originally Posted by Euphoria Do you guys know how to read... the problem is the Defense. You can't run deuce when you are down 17-21 points going into the 4th quarter. The point isn't what should we be doing when we're down by 21 in the fourth it is why are we getting down so quickly. The answer is two-fold: 1. This defense may be worse than last year in every phase save the D-Line. I think the LB's are OK except for that big whole in the middle named Simoneau. I'm sorry, but he is out of position too often and when he's there to make a tackle he gets dragged 3 or 4 yards unless he has help. The DB's have not jelled. You can forget the Indy game cuz Peyton can torch even the best DB's. They were a little better against TB, but not much. Forget turnovers. I'd just like to see a few passes defensed each game right now. Even still they are getting no help from the offense... 2. They seem to be running the ball OK. Passing has been horrible. Drew seems a bit off, but I think that is attributable more to the O-line looking more like I thought they'd look last year than a unit that has played together for a year already. Nevertheless, I think the biggest problem has been our formations. Last year, 70 to 80% of the plays involved Reggie or someone else in motion behind the line of scrimmage many times as a decoy to Deuce's runs, but also to work on match ups. They don't seem to do that much this year and I think that is making them easier to stop. The opposing defense seems to have a better idea of where the ball is going and has plenty of people there. My suggestion is to scrap this year's playbook and return to what was working last year. There has been a philosophy change that is killing us on offense.

09-18-2007, 12:36 PM	#2
Papa Voodoo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,634	Re: Deuce Originally Posted by ScottyRo The point isn't what should we be doing when we're down by 21 in the fourth it is why are we getting down so quickly. The answer is two-fold: 1. This defense may be worse than last year in every phase save the D-Line. I think the LB's are OK except for that big whole in the middle named Simoneau. I'm sorry, but he is out of position too often and when he's there to make a tackle he gets dragged 3 or 4 yards unless he has help. The DB's have not jelled. You can forget the Indy game cuz Peyton can torch even the best DB's. They were a little better against TB, but not much. Forget turnovers. I'd just like to see a few passes defensed each game right now. Even still they are getting no help from the offense... 2. They seem to be running the ball OK. Passing has been horrible. Drew seems a bit off, but I think that is attributable more to the O-line looking more like I thought they'd look last year than a unit that has played together for a year already. Nevertheless, I think the biggest problem has been our formations. Last year, 70 to 80% of the plays involved Reggie or someone else in motion behind the line of scrimmage many times as a decoy to Deuce's runs, but also to work on match ups. They don't seem to do that much this year and I think that is making them easier to stop. The opposing defense seems to have a better idea of where the ball is going and has plenty of people there. My suggestion is to scrap this year's playbook and return to what was working last year. There has been a philosophy change that is killing us on offense. On NFL Primetime last night our woes were discussed throughout the evening by the likes of Bill Parcels, Mike Ditka, K. Johnson, and M. Schlereth. Ditka said Reggie needs to quit dancing and go to which Schlereth said he needs to stop trying to bust every run outside for a TD and take 2 yard agins in the middle. Ditka also said You can't tell the O-Line to pass block 45-50 times a game. Schlereth agreed that he could never do that and he ain't no joke. They also mentioned it hurts the O-Line becuase they can't get nasty and run block. They went further to say that when things aren't going right you run the ball and knock the other team in the mouth. Ditka, Schlereth, Hodge, and Johnson all agreed that we have to run Deuce a lot more. Quit being so cerebral and hit somebody. Hodge said that the Defense will play better if the O gets it going with Deuce. Parcells said Deuce is important, but that our secondary is crap and there's no depth. So, The Pro-Deuce fans are right and the Pro-Our Secondary Wears Miniskirts fans are right. We're not going to get Champ Bailey any time soon so I say sub KK for Bullocks. Sub Simmons for Simoneau, and sub Usama for David. Then Run Deuce like a Mack Truck!

09-18-2007, 12:48 PM	#3
WhoDat205 Prediction Pain Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 1,082 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Deuce On the secondary and LBs: we all know they're week...like worst in the NFL week. I really think the team needs to refuse to give up the deep balls. Play two deep zones and the like and force teams to beat you with the run. Trying to Man up on the outside and send LBs to blitz doesn't work because the LBs and the CBs are...uhh...not good at football (except Fuji, who couldn't cover me up the seam and MM who is eligable for Medicare next month). Now that means that the DL has to step up and stop the run at the point of attack, B/C the LBs are not getting it done. Thankfully, I believe the talent is there on the line...even at DT.
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09-18-2007, 12:49 PM	#4
ScottyRo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Williamsburg, VA (ugh, the food here) Posts: 1,704	Re: Deuce Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo Ditka also said You can't tell the O-Line to pass block 45-50 times a game. Schlereth agreed that he could never do that and he ain't no joke. They also mentioned it hurts the O-Line becuase they can't get nasty and run block. They went further to say that when things aren't going right you run the ball and knock the other team in the mouth. I agree with lots of what you posted , but to this I have an exception. Sure, 40 or 50 pass blocks a game may be too much, but what does that have to do with their lack of pass blocking ability in the first quarter or first half? It's not like they look worse as the game goes on. They look bad from play one. I'll be very interested in seeing how the cowboys do down the stretch this year. They went through what everyone was calling "Camp Cupcake", but seem to be on fire so far. Our guys have looked slow and worn out so far. Maybe the days of killing our guys in the intense heat of summer during training camp should be put to bed forever. It seems t me that practicing during training camp indoors shouldn't hurt us any since in more than half the games each year we play inside anyway.