Defense Scheme ?

DeadmaN · 09-20-2007, 03:29 PM

Originally Posted by darstep

I agree MatT. The defense will improve their look when the offense begins to role. Offensive success along with the confidence that comes with success will carry over to the other side of the ball. I believe a deep zone would improve our results. Man isn't working - we are too slow coupled with poooooooor technique and after getting burned we can't even recover. Zone may give up a few more dinks and possesion type routes, but it would take away the long ball and provide a few more opportunities to make tackles i.e. cause some fumbles...crack some skulls...make receivers look away too quick in order to see who's coming. It's the little things sometimes that don't show up in the stat sheets that might make the difference. We MIGHT even get a pick-or-two out the shear number of times the ball is in the air. The throwing lanes may even mask a linebacker sitting in a blind spot. We've got to try something different than our corners in man coverage.

you know I like the way you and matt are thinking concerning this subject
and you may be right on the money but the problem still remains that our "D" coordinator I'm sure knows the problems with the D (or I should say I hope he knows) but still runs the same old man D

the question is...

Is he going to change this?

because if not at this point it looks like teams will be scoring on us all season long

Cassady37 · 09-20-2007, 12:13 PM

Ok, I guess I'll say it again, I'm not quite blue in the face. Dump the current d-coordinator before we go through another year of inept defense. The schemes he runs are not filled with the personnel he needs to pull it off and yet he keeps trying to pound a square peg into a round hole! Obviously, for what ever reasons that are unknown to the average fan, he doesn't have the propensity for change. And as we all know if you can't adjust in the NFL you will have your arse handed to you every game. Can I finally get an amen?

WhoDatQB · 09-20-2007, 03:46 PM

Originally Posted by Cassady37

Ok, I guess I'll say it again, I'm not quite blue in the face. Dump the current d-coordinator before we go through another year of inept defense. The schemes he runs are not filled with the personnel he needs to pull it off and yet he keeps trying to pound a square peg into a round hole! Obviously, for what ever reasons that are unknown to the average fan, he doesn't have the propensity for change. And as we all know if you can't adjust in the NFL you will have your arse handed to you every game. Can I finally get an amen?

====

AMEN, we have had other D-Coordinators like this before and it sucked then too. I hate to give props but look at Tampa, they draft for their D and make minor changes for their personnel. We say, "Damn You I can make a man to man corner". Our Mike LB is slow and can't get off tackles, "I will coach him up, we can make due, plus he plays with my balls." One OLB is too slow, "Ah, you're making too much out of it, let's draft a Receiver in the first round and not prepare for the future."

Now I know I am going overboard somewhat, Meachim may end up being great, but we needed help on Defense, and guess what we still do. Our O will come around and it will help out a bunch but we are slow on D and it shows. You cannot play man to man with our personnel.

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trynaBaFan · 09-20-2007, 12:18 PM

Amen!!!!!!!!!

DeadmaN · 09-20-2007, 02:27 PM

Originally Posted by trynaBaFan

Amen!!!!!!!!!

I'll 2nd that!!!!

DeadmaN · 09-20-2007, 02:47 PM

lol
One thing that keeps playing over and over in my mind is that age old saying of the immortal Fred Sanford (aka Red Fox) calling out

OH NO!!!!
Elizabeth!!!
I’m coming to join you baby…
and I’ll be the one in the saint’s jersey

andersen · 09-20-2007, 12:20 PM

One word: Linebackers. We have said this for two years now. Also, the big buck ends need to start pressing it.

darstep · 09-20-2007, 05:06 PM

We've (and our opponents have too) been stumping and kicking David while he's down, and McKenzie has been amazingly quiet hoping that we won't notice him. He bites too often on the pump also and gets burned with no help over the top. I think he has benefited from an easier meal on the other side of the field. McKenzie is a good tackler; will press hard on the run, and will pop when given the opportunity.. Zone allows the DB's and corners to break on the ball. Even when they don't get there in time they can deliver the message that it will cost something to catch balls in our middle.

djnatas · 09-21-2007, 05:06 PM

Thnx 4 the responses, I am thinking everything ya'll are saying!

I wonder why the fans see this and the coaches don't?

Boogro · 09-21-2007, 05:26 PM

I think our D's problems consist of many things. First of all, there hasn't even been a glimpse of a pass rush. Give the QB all the time in the world and the secondary gets burned and the blame. Second, we have no offense at all. We cannot sustain drives or get in a rhythm. Third, we turn the ball over too much and don't create any. I think if we can get a good pass rush going and the offense gets going, our secondary play will be a lot better.

09-20-2007, 03:29 PM	#1
DeadmaN Saints Junky Join Date: May 2007 Location: Metairie Originally now a Houston transplant Posts: 672	Re: Defense Scheme ? Originally Posted by darstep I agree MatT. The defense will improve their look when the offense begins to role. Offensive success along with the confidence that comes with success will carry over to the other side of the ball. I believe a deep zone would improve our results. Man isn't working - we are too slow coupled with poooooooor technique and after getting burned we can't even recover. Zone may give up a few more dinks and possesion type routes, but it would take away the long ball and provide a few more opportunities to make tackles i.e. cause some fumbles...crack some skulls...make receivers look away too quick in order to see who's coming. It's the little things sometimes that don't show up in the stat sheets that might make the difference. We MIGHT even get a pick-or-two out the shear number of times the ball is in the air. The throwing lanes may even mask a linebacker sitting in a blind spot. We've got to try something different than our corners in man coverage. you know I like the way you and matt are thinking concerning this subject and you may be right on the money but the problem still remains that our "D" coordinator I'm sure knows the problems with the D (or I should say I hope he knows) but still runs the same old man D the question is... Is he going to change this? because if not at this point it looks like teams will be scoring on us all season long

09-20-2007, 12:13 PM	#2
Cassady37 100th Post Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Kilgore, Texas Posts: 337	Re: Defense Scheme ? Ok, I guess I'll say it again, I'm not quite blue in the face. Dump the current d-coordinator before we go through another year of inept defense. The schemes he runs are not filled with the personnel he needs to pull it off and yet he keeps trying to pound a square peg into a round hole! Obviously, for what ever reasons that are unknown to the average fan, he doesn't have the propensity for change. And as we all know if you can't adjust in the NFL you will have your arse handed to you every game. Can I finally get an amen?

09-20-2007, 03:46 PM	#3
WhoDatQB Boondock Saint Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: F***ing Atlanta Posts: 322	Re: Defense Scheme ? Originally Posted by Cassady37 Ok, I guess I'll say it again, I'm not quite blue in the face. Dump the current d-coordinator before we go through another year of inept defense. The schemes he runs are not filled with the personnel he needs to pull it off and yet he keeps trying to pound a square peg into a round hole! Obviously, for what ever reasons that are unknown to the average fan, he doesn't have the propensity for change. And as we all know if you can't adjust in the NFL you will have your arse handed to you every game. Can I finally get an amen? ==== AMEN, we have had other D-Coordinators like this before and it sucked then too. I hate to give props but look at Tampa, they draft for their D and make minor changes for their personnel. We say, "Damn You I can make a man to man corner". Our Mike LB is slow and can't get off tackles, "I will coach him up, we can make due, plus he plays with my balls." One OLB is too slow, "Ah, you're making too much out of it, let's draft a Receiver in the first round and not prepare for the future." Now I know I am going overboard somewhat, Meachim may end up being great, but we needed help on Defense, and guess what we still do. Our O will come around and it will help out a bunch but we are slow on D and it shows. You cannot play man to man with our personnel. A M M EEEEEEEE N N A A M M M M E N N N AAAAA M M M EEEEE N N N A A M M E N N N A A M M EEEEEEEE N N

09-20-2007, 12:18 PM	#4
trynaBaFan Registered Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 59	Re: Defense Scheme ? Amen!!!!!!!!!
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09-20-2007, 02:27 PM	#5
DeadmaN Saints Junky Join Date: May 2007 Location: Metairie Originally now a Houston transplant Posts: 672	Re: Defense Scheme ? Originally Posted by trynaBaFan Amen!!!!!!!!! I'll 2nd that!!!!

09-20-2007, 02:47 PM	#6
DeadmaN Saints Junky Join Date: May 2007 Location: Metairie Originally now a Houston transplant Posts: 672	Re: Defense Scheme ? lol One thing that keeps playing over and over in my mind is that age old saying of the immortal Fred Sanford (aka Red Fox) calling out OH NO!!!! Elizabeth!!! I’m coming to join you baby… and I’ll be the one in the saint’s jersey

09-20-2007, 12:20 PM	#7
andersen With an "E" Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Madisonville, LA Posts: 429	Re: Defense Scheme ? One word: Linebackers. We have said this for two years now. Also, the big buck ends need to start pressing it.

09-20-2007, 05:06 PM	#8
darstep SaintSince67 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: PortCity Posts: 2,044	Re: Defense Scheme ? We've (and our opponents have too) been stumping and kicking David while he's down, and McKenzie has been amazingly quiet hoping that we won't notice him. He bites too often on the pump also and gets burned with no help over the top. I think he has benefited from an easier meal on the other side of the field. McKenzie is a good tackler; will press hard on the run, and will pop when given the opportunity.. Zone allows the DB's and corners to break on the ball. Even when they don't get there in time they can deliver the message that it will cost something to catch balls in our middle.
	SaintSince67

09-21-2007, 05:06 PM	#9
djnatas Rookie Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 5	Re: Defense Scheme ? Thnx 4 the responses, I am thinking everything ya'll are saying! I wonder why the fans see this and the coaches don't?
djnatas Rookie Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 5

09-21-2007, 05:26 PM	#10
Boogro Nose Digger Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 341	Re: Defense Scheme ? I think our D's problems consist of many things. First of all, there hasn't even been a glimpse of a pass rush. Give the QB all the time in the world and the secondary gets burned and the blame. Second, we have no offense at all. We cannot sustain drives or get in a rhythm. Third, we turn the ball over too much and don't create any. I think if we can get a good pass rush going and the offense gets going, our secondary play will be a lot better.

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