O-Line Play

QBREES9 · 09-27-2007, 11:23 PM

Outstanding Article on O-Line Play v. TEN
Hope this hasn't been posted, but it's a great (and scary) read:

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/200...y-counts/5531/
Last edited by mld530 : Today at 09:42 AM.

phatoosdey · 09-28-2007, 10:19 PM

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i couldn't get your link to work

LordOfEntropy · 09-29-2007, 12:22 AM

Good post. You're right - excellent article. It concisely and accurately relays what many have been saying on this board. It uses solid incontestible facts, observations, and examples - very astute observations.

Euphoria · 09-29-2007, 12:41 AM

Oh come on we all know its Brooks fault.

blacksaint · 09-29-2007, 12:58 AM

Man, that is VERY scary.

iceshack149 · 09-29-2007, 03:38 AM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

Oh come on we all know its Brooks fault.

You're killing me, man. Aaron Brooks isn't a 2nd or even a 3rd string quarterback in a league with quarterbacks on rosters by the name of Tavaris Jackson, Brooks Bollinger, Derek Anderson, Tony Banks, Charlie Batch, Kyle Boller, Trent Dilfer, Rex Grossman, Byron Leftwich, Jared Lorentzen, Kyle Orton, Sage Rosenfels, Jeff Smoker, Jim Sorgi, Seneka Wallace etc. etc. etc.

I've left out many names. Shouldn't the great Brooks beat out one of these quarterbacks?

hagan714 · 09-29-2007, 09:12 AM

bye AB he is done here. Enough
The article was right. good find. We need some bigger and faster players at two position. Brown needs to go back to RT. Stinch maybe better at OG. Maybe Haz was right. I can not believe I typed that.
We need to find out can our young OL play or not. Is Allman or future OG or is he, as his college coached said, better at C in the NFL. Is Bushrod able to do LT? That is a start. Oh when then game is out of control take Drew out then rotate the line. Put Palko back there to run for his life or take the pounding if it does not work out. Sorry that is the 3rd string QBs job.

ScottyRo · 09-29-2007, 10:19 AM

And this article leads to another point I've made...Why haven't the "Experts" noticed this? The Saints have played two nationally televised games out of their three losses and ESPN has a Poll asking who is responsible for the losses and the O-Line isn't even an option.

I don't watch a lot of Sportscenter, but I watch NFL live almost every day and they have yet as far as I know to point out the O-Line as the major contributor to the Saints' offense problems. That to me is scary since it is so obvious. They still want to talk about Brees and the play calling when it clearly doesn't matter what play is called since Brees won't have time to execute it.

sac-a-lait · 09-29-2007, 12:27 PM

I remember when Archie Manning was playing with a poor O Line. He was more athletic than Brees. He took the snap and started running for his life, fortunately he threw pretty well on the run. I will say it agin, I am rela glad we don't have to see Hatynesworth again, he is an animal.

Euphoria · 09-29-2007, 02:12 PM

Originally Posted by ScottyRo

And this article leads to another point I've made...Why haven't the "Experts" noticed this? The Saints have played two nationally televised games out of their three losses and ESPN has a Poll asking who is responsible for the losses and the O-Line isn't even an option.

I don't watch a lot of Sportscenter, but I watch NFL live almost every day and they have yet as far as I know to point out the O-Line as the major contributor to the Saints' offense problems. That to me is scary since it is so obvious. They still want to talk about Brees and the play calling when it clearly doesn't matter what play is called since Brees won't have time to execute it.

I seriously wouldn't call webmasters or jounalist experts.

09-27-2007, 11:23 PM	#1
QBREES9 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Haven Ct Posts: 23,985	O-Line Play Outstanding Article on O-Line Play v. TEN Hope this hasn't been posted, but it's a great (and scary) read: http://www.footballoutsiders.com/200...y-counts/5531/ Last edited by mld530 : Today at 09:42 AM.

09-28-2007, 10:19 PM	#2
phatoosdey Drunkagen Join Date: May 2007 Location: kenner Posts: 356	Re: O-Line Play FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Football analysis and NFL stats for the Moneyball era - Authors of Pro Football Prospectus 2007 i couldn't get your link to work

09-29-2007, 12:22 AM	#3
LordOfEntropy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Cary, NC Posts: 1,838	Re: O-Line Play Good post. You're right - excellent article. It concisely and accurately relays what many have been saying on this board. It uses solid incontestible facts, observations, and examples - very astute observations.
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09-29-2007, 12:41 AM	#4
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09-29-2007, 03:38 AM	#6
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,299 Blog Entries: 1	Re: O-Line Play Originally Posted by Euphoria Oh come on we all know its Brooks fault. You're killing me, man. Aaron Brooks isn't a 2nd or even a 3rd string quarterback in a league with quarterbacks on rosters by the name of Tavaris Jackson, Brooks Bollinger, Derek Anderson, Tony Banks, Charlie Batch, Kyle Boller, Trent Dilfer, Rex Grossman, Byron Leftwich, Jared Lorentzen, Kyle Orton, Sage Rosenfels, Jeff Smoker, Jim Sorgi, Seneka Wallace etc. etc. etc. I've left out many names. Shouldn't the great Brooks beat out one of these quarterbacks?

09-29-2007, 09:12 AM	#7
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: O-Line Play bye AB he is done here. Enough The article was right. good find. We need some bigger and faster players at two position. Brown needs to go back to RT. Stinch maybe better at OG. Maybe Haz was right. I can not believe I typed that. We need to find out can our young OL play or not. Is Allman or future OG or is he, as his college coached said, better at C in the NFL. Is Bushrod able to do LT? That is a start. Oh when then game is out of control take Drew out then rotate the line. Put Palko back there to run for his life or take the pounding if it does not work out. Sorry that is the 3rd string QBs job.
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09-29-2007, 10:19 AM	#8
ScottyRo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Williamsburg, VA (ugh, the food here) Posts: 1,704	Re: O-Line Play And this article leads to another point I've made...Why haven't the "Experts" noticed this? The Saints have played two nationally televised games out of their three losses and ESPN has a Poll asking who is responsible for the losses and the O-Line isn't even an option. I don't watch a lot of Sportscenter, but I watch NFL live almost every day and they have yet as far as I know to point out the O-Line as the major contributor to the Saints' offense problems. That to me is scary since it is so obvious. They still want to talk about Brees and the play calling when it clearly doesn't matter what play is called since Brees won't have time to execute it.

09-29-2007, 12:27 PM	#9
sac-a-lait Registered Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 92	Re: O-Line Play I remember when Archie Manning was playing with a poor O Line. He was more athletic than Brees. He took the snap and started running for his life, fortunately he threw pretty well on the run. I will say it agin, I am rela glad we don't have to see Hatynesworth again, he is an animal.
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09-29-2007, 02:12 PM	#10
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: O-Line Play Originally Posted by ScottyRo And this article leads to another point I've made...Why haven't the "Experts" noticed this? The Saints have played two nationally televised games out of their three losses and ESPN has a Poll asking who is responsible for the losses and the O-Line isn't even an option. I don't watch a lot of Sportscenter, but I watch NFL live almost every day and they have yet as far as I know to point out the O-Line as the major contributor to the Saints' offense problems. That to me is scary since it is so obvious. They still want to talk about Brees and the play calling when it clearly doesn't matter what play is called since Brees won't have time to execute it. I seriously wouldn't call webmasters or jounalist experts.